Lee .380 4-Die Set - Does It Exist


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April 22, 2012, 03:06 AM
I did some searching for a Lee .380 4-Die Set, and all I can find are the 3-die sets. Does anyone know if they exist?

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Scimmia
April 22, 2012, 03:40 AM
http://leeprecision.com/reloading-dies/hand-gun-dies/4-die-set-pistol/

Doesn't look like they package one that way. They do make an FCD for 380 Auto, so you can always buy it separately if you really want it. That's the only difference between the 3 and 4 die sets.

Lost Sheep
April 22, 2012, 03:40 AM
I tried to buy one a year and a half ago. I called Lee. Not available. Things may have changed. I suggest you email Lee's Customer Service. They have always gotten back to me with an answer within one business day.

Lost Sheep

p.s. Lee is not the only maker with Factory Crimp Dies. I know Redding makes one for 9mm because I have one They might make one for 380. Maybe others do too. I don't know if they are identical in function to the Lee (crimp and post-sizing) but you can check to see. The Redding does not seem to do the post-sizing.

edit: Scimmia, I guess they started making one I didn't know about last year.

second edit
this is an interesting essay
http://www.epinions.com/review/Redding_9mm_Luger_Taper_Crimp_Die_epi/content_483364212356?sb=1

Walkalong
April 22, 2012, 10:38 AM
I have never seen a Redding "FCD". Pics? Links?

The article was talking about a standard Redding taper crimp die.

It also made no sense when it stated you shouldn't taper crimp 9MM because it headspaces on the case mouth. You do not want to over crimp because it does so, but there is need to remove the bell, which is all we do with taper crimp seaters or crimp only dies when loading 9MM and other auto calibers.

x_wrench
April 22, 2012, 10:41 AM
well, i have 4 dies for my .380, but i honestly do not remember if i bought it that way, or if i bought the fcd separately. i will tell you this, i have fcd's for almost every die set i own. but very seldom use them on pistol rounds. the only real advantage to using the fcd in a pistol round is the brass can be all different lengths, and still get a good crimp. the only other thing i will do for you is make sure every cartridge will chamber, as it makes certain they are all small enough around to fit into a chamber. if your bullets are all the correct size (think an over sized cast bullet), and there are no other loading problems. you really do not need one. if i was going to hunt something that may eat me, it would be a comforting thought. but for anything else, not necessary.

medalguy
April 22, 2012, 02:05 PM
Redding crimp dies, here ya go:

http://www.redding-reloading.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=31:profile-crimp-dies

Google search took a whopping 0.19 seconds.

Walkalong
April 22, 2012, 05:23 PM
No FCD there. ;)

Lost Sheep
April 22, 2012, 06:12 PM
Redding crimp dies, here ya go:

http://www.redding-reloading.com/ind...ile-crimp-dies

Google search took a whopping 0.19 seconds.
No FCD there. ;)

Don't you just hate it when a link only takes you partway there? Click on the "Series B" link and scroll down the page, past the bottleneck cartridges to the straight wall cases.

Part # 85170 is the single part.

Sometimes you have to buy the ticket.

http://www.redding-reloading.com/online-catalog/22-rifle-a-handgun-die-sets-series-b
or if the link does not work, paste this into your browser
http://www.redding-reloading.com/online-catalog/22-rifle-a-handgun-die-sets-series-b

Lost Sheep

Flintknapper
April 22, 2012, 06:13 PM
Here as a special order:

http://www.titanreloading.com/lee-special-order-380-auto-deluxe-pistol-4-die-set

joecil
April 22, 2012, 06:26 PM
Here is the only way I've found them. https://fsreloading.com/lee-3-die-set-380-carbide-90625.html then add this to make if the 4 die set. https://fsreloading.com/lee-carbide-fc-die-380-auto-90867.html

Walkalong
April 22, 2012, 06:37 PM
Part # 85170 is the single part. That is a plain old taper crimp die. There is no carbide insert, which is what makes the FCD a Factory Crimp Die. I have them in several calibers. No .380 since I do not load it right now, and if I did, my RCBS seater taper crimps just fine.

Lee is not the only maker with Factory Crimp Dies. I know Redding makes one for 9mm because I have one They might make one for 380.

Lee is not the only maker with Factory Taper Crimp Dies. I know Redding makes one for 9mm because I have one They might make one for 380.

There, fixed it for you. I guess you just meant crimp die, and not the carbide type FCD Lee sells to fix all that ails you. :)

Lost Sheep
April 22, 2012, 10:33 PM
Thanks, Walkalong. (your post 11 providing corrections for my post #3, which I have edited with boldface and additional text).

When I first learned of the FCD, I thought it only did the crimp. In my mind the post-sizing performed by the carbide insert is an afterthought and not really part of the crimping function. If it were, I figured it would be FCSD (Factory-Crimp-Size-Die). In any event, my mind continues to leave out the post-sizing function when talking about specialized crimp dies.

That the Redding Taper Crimp dies and Redding Roll Crimp dies don't post-size just confuses the comparison between the Lee and the Redding.

Anyhow, I apologize to all for spreading confusion onto the discussion (I hate it when others do it, so mustn't be too quick to pardon my own self.)

Walkalong, how do you do the strikethrough font?

Lost Sheep

Walkalong
April 22, 2012, 11:11 PM
The only crimp die in the world (As far as I know) that "post sizes" is the Lee Carbide Factory Crimp Die, fondly known as the FCD for pistols, not to be confused with the FCD for rifles.

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If I add the / in the second strike here, they both disappear and put a line through everything in between.

Hope that is clearer than it sounds and looks.

Lost Sheep
April 23, 2012, 01:32 AM
Cool!, Thanks, Walkalong.

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I think this (above) might be clearer (if less explicit). To make it work, just take out the extra (underscored) spaces-only the ones with the underscore.

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Thanks again. Sad that it is not in the clickable icons.

I note that (look for the period) spaces don't get the strikethrough unless they are embedded WITHIN the text.

I know this is not on-thread, but I thought it was of value to the forum at large. Thanks for cluing me in.

Lost Sheep

dickttx
April 23, 2012, 10:11 AM
For some reason Lee does not sell 4 die sets for some calibers, although they make the FCD for them. I have both 38 Super and 41 Mag sets where I had to buy the FCD seperately.

RandyP
April 24, 2012, 12:18 AM
Like others, I bought the three die .380ACP set plus a single FCD in that caliber to compete my turret full set.

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