My Taurus 850 CIA Cylinder Fell Out on Ground


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One78Shovel
April 22, 2012, 06:33 PM
Well, Put about 50 rounds through my new Taurus 850 CIA 38sp snubbie and while dumping spent rounds, the cylinder just falls out on the ground. I was lucky to find the screw that goes in the frame (locks in cylinder) lying on the ground. But there must be more to it, as the cylinder will not lock in the frame any longer. Looking at the assembly diagram looks like there is a spring or something that goes on the screw which is in the dirt somewhere I suppose.

New gun blues. Not starting out good at all.

Calling Tarurs tomorrow.

-178S

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BigN
April 22, 2012, 07:10 PM
You were lucky. I hadn't even put one round in my Taurus Tracker and the cylinder fell out. To make a long story short, after 4 trips to Taurus, you still can't fire it single action or it'll lock. It sits in my safe...

sirsloop
April 22, 2012, 07:59 PM
I have come to realize that I will only own Smith revolvers.

SabbathWolf
April 22, 2012, 08:49 PM
And people wonder why in other threads, so many members do "not" recommend buying Taurus.

skidder
April 22, 2012, 09:30 PM
There's a little spring that goes between a small piston and the the yoke screw (3 piece yoke screw assembly). I sent my tracker in with the same problem along with a few others, and they did not fix it any of them. I called them when I got the gun back and asked if they would send me the part, and they did.

My advice to you would be to call them and ask for the "yoke screw assembly". When you get it all back together, sell it and buy a Ruger.

45_auto
April 22, 2012, 09:44 PM
You guys are imagining things, revolvers NEVER malfunction. You need to read this thread:

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=653822

harmon rabb
April 22, 2012, 09:47 PM
I have come to realize that I will only own Smith revolvers.
Why are you afraid of ruger? Taurus sure, but ruger?

Doug S
April 22, 2012, 10:58 PM
1) You guys are just haters without any commonsense!!...or 2) you guys are being dishonest, because all of my Taurus guns have been great!! Therefore, either 1 or 2 above must be true about you. :neener: Sorry couldn't resist. I've been told all of the above for sharing my negative Taurus experiences. In all seriousness, sorry to hear about your problem. Hope they fix you up.

contender
April 23, 2012, 01:03 AM
i personally do not trust taurus. But in this case, it is most likely a maintaince problem. Screws have been known to back out on revolvers.

Old Fuff
April 23, 2012, 01:12 AM
Gee... (Knock on wood).

I haven't had any problems with mine, but maybe it's because I own a screwdriver...

Ya' think? :D

oldfool
April 23, 2012, 03:49 AM
so do I, Old Fuff (own a screwdriver)

sort of makes you wonder why the guys at the factory don't ??
ya' think ? :scrutiny:

357 Terms
April 23, 2012, 04:16 AM
^^^^!...:D

45_auto
April 23, 2012, 05:56 AM
Gee... (Knock on wood).

I haven't had any problems with mine, but maybe it's because I own a screwdriver...

Ya' think?

That must be why. I also own a screwdriver, and haven't had ANY problems with my Taurus revolvers.

(the fact that I don't own any Taurus revolvers may also have something to do with it ;))

SabbathWolf
April 23, 2012, 10:39 AM
so do I, Old Fuff (own a screwdriver)

sort of makes you wonder why the guys at the factory don't ??
ya' think ? :scrutiny:

Maybe the factory uses screwdrivers made in Brazil too...and they are also all broken?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v648/Swampdragon/smilies/b53ddb2d.gif

skidder
April 23, 2012, 10:50 AM
I haven't had any problems with mine, but maybe it's because I own a screwdriver...
I got an idea.... :rolleyes: Send that screwdriver to the Taurus plant in Florida with instructions on how to use it. It's very unlikely they've seen one before.

Keep up the good work Old Fuff, you could be the next to be chosen. I just read on the taurusarmed.net (or disarmed.net) that two of the moderators were chosen for a tour of the factory. How many tours have you had now?.....LUCKY ;)

Old Fuff
April 23, 2012, 10:57 AM
Well it's this-a-way...

I have found loose screws in just about all of the revolver brands you can think of. On the other hand I have one Taurus where the sideplate screws (including the one that holds the cylinder assembly in place) are so tight I worry about burring the heads trying to get them out. :eek:

When it comes to loose screw issues my Colt Single Actions (and clones thereof) are the grand champion, as the frame assembly is held together with 6 of them, with a grand total of 11 that includes the cylinder basepin latch. All of them will unscrew themselves if you simply give them a hard look.

The recommended cure is to put no more then a single drop of blue LocTite or clear fingernail polish on each screw and then reassemble the screw.

I recommend this procedure to those who own Taurus and other makes of revolvers that tend to self-disassemble. ;)

lathedog
April 23, 2012, 11:36 AM
I never know in advance whether I will get frustrated or have a good laugh when I read one of these threads.

If a particular handgun retails for about $300, and another for about $700, there is probably no magical way that the cheaper gun is going to be made with the same care and from the same materials as the more expensive gun. There is also less incentive to reject any parts or refit anything that did not assemble correctly the first time. Quality Control can help to drive costs down, but past a certain point the search for lower manufacturing costs will kill quality.

A lot of folks post on here that the more expensive gun is just expensive because of some intangible "snobbery", or try to imply that those who pay more are less intelligent or less experienced. I can accept that a little of that could be happening, but in a free market economy that would not last long.

The good news is that when you buy a Taurus and it is a lemon, you are only out about $300. If you buy a S&W and it is a lemon, the gun is likely fixable, but in the meantime your $700 is gone and you temporarily have nothing. Every consumer has to balance risk vs payoff in their investment.

SabbathWolf
April 23, 2012, 12:19 PM
...The good news is that when you buy a Taurus and it is a lemon, you are only out about $300. If you buy a S&W and it is a lemon, the gun is likely fixable, but in the meantime your $700 is gone and you temporarily have nothing. Every consumer has to balance risk vs payoff in their investment...


That's why I like Ruger the best.
They are priced in between the two and built tougher than both.
:D

JR47
April 23, 2012, 02:53 PM
The good news is that when you buy a Taurus and it is a lemon, you are only out about $300. If you buy a S&W and it is a lemon, the gun is likely fixable, but in the meantime your $700 is gone and you temporarily have nothing. Every consumer has to balance risk vs payoff in their investment...

So, the $300 gun "isn't fixable"? Really? A loose screw, after the gun has been fired, missed by the firer, and then assembled without all of the parts, is a lemon?

Read the threads about problems with less expensive guns, regardless of brand. There, you will find some of the oddest complaints ever heard. A new gun that had the cylinder fall out? Did it even get looked at before purchase? Or during the initial cleaning? Screws that back out are plainly visible before they fall out of the gun.

I always check various features before buying ANY brand of gun. On a revolver, things like barrel-cylinder gap, timing issues, canted barrels, loose screws, and lock-up. When I get it home, it's field-stripped, and cleaned and lubed thoroughly. Most off-shore manufacturers ship guns in a preservative, much like cosmoline. Failure to remove it will result in the same issues as not removing cosmoline.

Actually LOOKING at the guns before purchase can allow you to avoid so many problems. In many cases, the problem isn't the Brand of the gun, it's the purchaser.

FYI, pricing of guns may vary widely because of labor costs, insurance costs, EPA regulations, legal representation costs, and the profit margin necessary to impress shareholders. American manufacturers pay a LOT more in labor costs, salaries and benefits, than just about anywhere else in the world. Add in the costs of EPA regulations, local business taxes and licensing fees, mandatory insurance, unemployment benefits costs, worker's comp costs, and legal representation in our law-suit happy nation. That can add as much as 30% to the bottom line, compared to other manufacturing nations.

It's funny to hear about how one brand is so much better than another, even when the "better" brand purchases parts from still another manufacturer of guns. :)

sirsloop
April 23, 2012, 06:56 PM
Why are you afraid of ruger? Taurus sure, but ruger?
well with Ruger...same reason I would not buy a Colt... dont like the cylinder release. I wouldn't buy a Taurus revolver cause they are clunky and i've seen tons of them fail.

SabbathWolf
April 23, 2012, 10:08 PM
well with Ruger...same reason I would not buy a Colt... dont like the cylinder release. I wouldn't buy a Taurus revolver cause they are clunky and i've seen tons of them fail.

The only Smith I have ever owned was a 6" model #19 Combat Masterpiece 357....and it was a SWEET revolver! Beautiful, well balanced, slick as snot trigger, and accurate as all get out too. I'd still have it now had I not ran into money trouble once upon a time and sold it.

That said though, I like the Ruger cylinder release better. Pressing stright in against the frame feels more natural and easy to me than sliding a release forward on the frame.
Now Colt on the other hand....trying to pull the release backward is a pain in the butt. I "REALLY" do not like the Colt cylinder release what so ever. It makes no sense to me at all!

oldfool
April 24, 2012, 08:02 AM
full disclosure

I did have the cylinder fall out of one my own guns like that
and it was a Taurus..
but it was my own fault, ought know better, and I do own a screwdriver and loctite, and Old Fuff is 100% right on that

It's an old model Taurus 66 six shooter, likely had thousands of rounds through it before I bought it, 100s since, shoots great for home and range, but mostly does muzzle insert pulse laser w/ snap cap duty at home on rainy days (just because I have more revolvers than I really need come range day)

Pretty amazing how many thousands of "rounds" you can run per session thataway in DA rapid mode, no reloading you know, you can just keep going until you wear out your trigger finger. So, I took it out of the safe, opened up cylinder to load up snaps, and the cylinder fell right out on the floor. My fault, really ought check those screws every few thousand rounds, it can happen. Lesson learned. Better learned at home with snap caps that at the range, or on the street. :o

mmitch
April 24, 2012, 09:10 PM
When you clean-em, check the screws, it's a habit in these environs!

Mike

One78Shovel
April 24, 2012, 10:56 PM
Wow. Interesting responses. Why some of you think it's OK to have a NEW gun fail and to say it's the users fault is mind boggling.

I am not quality control for Taurus. Oh, and waiting on hold for 40 minutes trying to reach Taurus just screams issues. Either two things
A- They only have 1 phone rep working part time
or
B- There is a tidal wave of QA problems and we are crashing their system looking for a fix to the gun

Every time I think of the gun falling apart I picture Barney Fife revolver and Goobers shotguns falling apart. Lol.

-178S

Old Fuff
April 25, 2012, 01:40 AM
Why some of you think it's OK to have a NEW gun fail and to say it's the users fault is mind boggling.

I don't think anyone here thinks it's O.K. for a new gun to have defects that it shouldn't. But today, in the real world we are smart enough to go over any gun we aquire - new or used - and when necesary correct minor issues that are easly fixed, and a partly loosened screw comes under that heading. Trying make make a major fuss over a loose screw is a bit too much.

SabbathWolf
April 25, 2012, 01:46 AM
I don't think anyone here thinks it's O.K. for a new gun to have defects that it shouldn't. But today, in the real world we are smart enough to go over any gun we aquire - new or used - and when necesary correct minor issues that are easly fixed, and a partly loosened screw comes under that heading. Trying make make a major fuss over a loose screw is a bit too much.

Yeah.
People who make a fuss over a loose screw must have a screw loose.
lol....

Kiln
April 25, 2012, 01:53 AM
You guys are imagining things, revolvers NEVER malfunction. You need to read this thread:

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=653822
So I keep hearing, though experience has shown me otherwise. I've had several firearms fail on me (autos and revolvers) so I accept that they can both have problems.

One78Shovel
April 25, 2012, 06:42 AM
I don't think anyone here thinks it's O.K. for a new gun to have defects that it shouldn't. But today, in the real world we are smart enough to go over any gun we aquire - new or used - and when necesary correct minor issues that are easly fixed, and a partly loosened screw comes under that heading. Trying make make a major fuss over a loose screw is a bit too much.

lol

Gee, even Highpoint will answer the phone in a resonable time.

-178S

oldfool
April 25, 2012, 08:08 AM
well, I think the gate swings both ways

I agree with what Old Fuff said, and with what mmitch said
Me, I do clean my guns after every range session, and inspect 'em for at least the obvious easy stuff. Carry screwdrivers, loctite, etc, etc in my range kit, just a matter of habit.
Just got a little careless about checking that old T-66, after so many rounds "fired". Snap caps don't leave much powder residue, no CLP required; no cleaning required, got lazy about inspecting.

But if 'manufacturer X' earns themselves a reputation the old fashioned way, for routinely putting out too many NIB pieces with obvious flaws and/or need for warranty work before the 'new car smell' has even faded, then I think they deserve the sting of a little public ridicule. At the least.

faulting buyer should be no excuse whatever for forgiving factory
two mistakes do not make the first mistake irrelevant

As trivial as a loose screw is, these objects are required to reliably go bang with deadly seriousness. One screw loose is just one screw loose, but the real impact of that is wondering just what else did factory not do right. Finding out after 50 rounds, 500 rounds or "500 miles at highway speed" is disconcerting. A close inspection on the glass countertop or test drive around the block is simply not enough. Confidence in integrity of maker also matters, and it is up to them to earn that confidence. Warranty work required, buyer fixing it themselves DYI , that does not build confidence. Steering wheel comes off my new Chevy truck after 500 miles, rolling down the highway at 60 mph, color me unhappy, whether or not I hit the wall.

a NIB firearm is not supposed to be a "kit" for you to take home yourself, to finish building yourself, or fixing yourself.
Not unless advertised as such. (some ARs just might qualify, but not NIB revolvers)

Everybody screws up every once in a while.
Making a habit of it is not something to be praised.

SabbathWolf
April 25, 2012, 08:25 AM
.....Confidence in integrity of maker also matters, and it is up to them to earn that confidence.

Everybody screws up every once in a while.
Making a habit of it is not something to be praised.....



That's it in a nutshell right there Sir.
I agree.
Traditional ineptness should not be a tradition.
It's kinda like continuing to vote Democrat when you are hoping for Republican policies.

Yo Mama
April 25, 2012, 08:47 AM
A lot of normal Taurus bashing, without OP providing information about any discussion had with the company about a problem before posting on the internet. Seems about normal, maybe we'll have another one next week?

SabbathWolf
April 25, 2012, 09:07 AM
A lot of normal Taurus bashing, without OP providing information about any discussion had with the company about a problem before posting on the internet. Seems about normal, maybe we'll have another one next week?

It's a Taurus, so yes. Probably.
:D

BSA1
April 25, 2012, 09:53 AM
Why some of you think it's OK to have a NEW gun fail and to say it's the users fault is mind boggling.

It depends on the cause of the problem. A loose screw can hardly be considered a design fault or part failure. It is a minor quality control issue that we know to check the screws on all of our firearms from time to time. However a novice gunowner buying a gun for the nightstand may not be expected to have the knowledge or proper tools to check such items.

However the lack of knowledge to perform routine maintenance checks can not be blamed on the manufacturer. I think the blame lies with the dealer. The sellor has a responsibility to educate the user about proper maintenance and gains the opportunity to sell the cleaning kit and screwdrivers.

Now THIS is a gun failure:

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=656223

SabbathWolf
April 25, 2012, 10:08 AM
Why some of you think it's OK to have a NEW gun fail and to say it's the users fault is mind boggling.

It depends on the cause of the problem. A loose screw can hardly be considered a design fault or part failure. It is a minor quality control issue that we know to check the screws on all of our firearms from time to time. However a novice gunowner buying a gun for the nightstand may not be expected to have the knowledge or proper tools to check such items.

However the lack of knowledge to perform routine maintenance checks can not be blamed on the manufacturer. I think the blame lies with the dealer. The sellor has a responsibility to educate the user about proper maintenance and gains the opportunity to sell the cleaning kit and screwdrivers.

Now THIS is a gun failure:

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=656223

Wait a second...what?
Why would it be the dealers responsibility?
If I go buy a new car, the dealer doesn't teach me how to drive it or avoid crashing it.

One78Shovel
April 25, 2012, 01:26 PM
A lot of normal Taurus bashing, without OP providing information about any discussion had with the company about a problem before posting on the internet. Seems about normal, maybe we'll have another one next week?
How can you have discussions when they leave you on hold twice for a total of 1 hour? Maybe becuase they are discussing perhaps other warranty issues with other customers?

Look, I own Rugers, Glocks, Kimbers, Daniel Defense, Springfield Armory, Bersa, Remington, Winchester, Sig Sauer and they all answer the phone in what is considered a resonable time. But the biggest note is; The guns do not fall apart out of the box after less than 50 rounds. But lets not confuse things with facts.

That is a hard firm data point.

-178S

Yo Mama
April 25, 2012, 06:18 PM
That is a hard firm data point.

First off this just sounds wrong man.

skidder
April 25, 2012, 07:11 PM
How can you have discussions when they leave you on hold twice for a total of 1 hour? Maybe becuase they are discussing perhaps other warranty issues with other customers?

Look, I own Rugers, Glocks, Kimbers, Daniel Defense, Springfield Armory, Bersa, Remington, Winchester, Sig Sauer and they all answer the phone in what is considered a resonable time. But the biggest note is; The guns do not fall apart out of the box after less than 50 rounds. But lets not confuse things with facts.

That is a hard firm data point.

-178S
You are now officially a "basher", but don't sweat it ;). Valid Taurus complaints are often categorized under this term.
A lot of normal Taurus bashing, without OP providing information about any discussion had with the company about a problem before posting on the internet. Seems about normal, maybe we'll have another one next week?
Common sense is a virtue. The ones who deny the high complaint ratio of taurus are usually the ones cherry picking in defense of a company that does not hold quality as one of its main staples. Calling people with valid complaints "bashers" puts them on the defensive. This derogatory term will only invoke hostility by insinuating their complaint is miniscule or fabricated. Everybody has pride in their current collection, but to habitually defend and disregard what is analytically in plain sight is not solid ground. We can do the dance of the "silver tongue" or......pull out our calculators and do the math.

skt239
April 25, 2012, 08:47 PM
Skidder,

I agree with you but the problem is doing the math would be tough. Taurus would never give up info on their return rate (I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't keep any kind of record) so the only other way would be to poll dealers. I have seen a few pictures on the forums of dealer posted signs warning they will not cover shipping for Taurus repairs (due to high volume) or that they have stopped dealing with them all together.

As for the OP's problem, it's not uncommon to Taurus revolvers at all. Every Taurus revolver I owned had screwed that walked and if that was the only problem, I was happy. While a screw drive is a easy fix, it sucks when you forget to tighten screws after a range session and they cylinder latch falls off when you take your gun off for that day. Or what about side plate screws walking and you don't have the right screw driver (using the wrong size will bugger the screws and mess up the side plate) so your revolver just sits there till I can go out and buy one. Sure, a screw driver is cheap and the gun store is right up the street but who wants to bother with all that nonsense?

I think it's silly to buy a modern, self defense revolver and have to constantly be on the look out for a potential problem that's common to the brand. I carry the same revolver 13 hours a day and put around 100+ rounds through it every 2-3 weeks. Other than cleaning after firing, the daily wipe down and light cleaning on the weekends, the revolver requires nothing else. That's what I expect from any gun I use for SD, guns that can't live up to those basic and simple standards are regulated to range duty.

Tomcat47
April 25, 2012, 09:09 PM
No Problems....20+ years buying Taurus firearms.

Never been on Phone with Taurus CS more than 10 minutes...

Always have done good by me? Received parts in a couple days...

(All 2 of them over 20 years....1911 slide stop & 92 ejector)

I always feel that there is more to the bad CS experience than meets the eye with Taurus? Even they say they are working on improving it but never a hitch in all these years. Is the ones that complain about there CS calling in on PMS to start with? Cussing? Demanding Satisfaction?

Just sayin.................:scrutiny:

BSA1
April 25, 2012, 09:13 PM
Wait a second...what?
Why would it be the dealers responsibility?
If I go buy a new car, the dealer doesn't teach me how to drive it or avoid crashing it.

Yes that is exactly what I mean. The dealership makes sure I know how to drive by checking my driviers license.

Then the salesperson spends time pointing out the location of the controls, features and how to operate them. If I decide to buy the vehicle they tell me when the first oil change is due along with other maintenance. So when I drive off the lot I know the features, the location of the controls and how to operate them.

The gun dealer has the same responsibility although it varies according to the knowledge and skill of the shooter. For a experienced shooter that may only be pointing out special features on the gun say the sights.

For a novice/new shooter. A explanation of the operation of the gun, how to clean it, what routine maintenance to perform. A smart salesperson may enroll the buyer in a safety class, sell a cleaning kit and screwdrivers.

Joe Smuck salesperson makes a gun sale and lets the customer figure out the rest on their own.

Joe Cool takes time to get to know the customers needs, becomes a resource for the customer and enhances the profits for his business.

p.s. My wife's Taurus M-85 has been trouble free ever since we brought over 10 years ago.

Tomcat47
April 25, 2012, 10:50 PM
....and that is why when I buy a car, I get a warranty to cover unforeseen problems at the time of purchase.....

Like a Throttle Body Recall at 20,000 miles....(100,000 Warranty)..:D

Back to Dealer...Replaced with new throttle body...and..."I,m on the Road Again"....

Taurus ........ Lifetime Warranty! Unforeseen problem....covered!

SabbathWolf
April 26, 2012, 02:52 AM
Wait a second...what?
Why would it be the dealers responsibility?
If I go buy a new car, the dealer doesn't teach me how to drive it or avoid crashing it.

Yes that is exactly what I mean. The dealership makes sure I know how to drive by checking my driviers license.

Then the salesperson spends time pointing out the location of the controls, features and how to operate them. If I decide to buy the vehicle they tell me when the first oil change is due along with other maintenance. So when I drive off the lot I know the features, the location of the controls and how to operate them.

The gun dealer has the same responsibility although it varies according to the knowledge and skill of the shooter. For a experienced shooter that may only be pointing out special features on the gun say the sights.

For a novice/new shooter. A explanation of the operation of the gun, how to clean it, what routine maintenance to perform. A smart salesperson may enroll the buyer in a safety class, sell a cleaning kit and screwdrivers.

Joe Smuck salesperson makes a gun sale and lets the customer figure out the rest on their own.

Joe Cool takes time to get to know the customers needs, becomes a resource for the customer and enhances the profits for his business.

p.s. My wife's Taurus M-85 has been trouble free ever since we brought over 10 years ago.

That's all fine and dandy...but a Dealer is not going to tell you right up front that the brand of car is generally junk.
They want to make a sale...and get paid to do so.
Ya lost me....

Some people get a Taurus gun and never have a problem. I get that...and don't disagree.
But, why I wonder do we hear so many more complaints about Taurus than say Smith or Ruger for example?
It's because they just can't compete and enough people have mentioned it to the point that there must be some truth to it in my book.
If Taurus was all wonderful and everything, you'd hear a higher percentage of praise rather than issues and problems.
Just sayin'.....

Oh yeah......and having a drivers license doesn't mean you can drive either.
It's only used as a form of ID by the dealer.
Once you drive off the lot, they couldn't care less if you crash 20 times on the way home or not....lol

MCgunner
April 26, 2012, 11:36 AM
Loctite solves a lot of problems.

Coal Dragger
April 26, 2012, 07:11 PM
Screws come loose under firing after awhile. I periodically re-tighten the screws on my Freedom Arms M83 that secure the grip frame to the frame, and that has prevented any issues.

I might try to use some loctite on them though.

MCgunner
April 26, 2012, 07:24 PM
Use the blue, NOT the red, if you ever wanna take the gun apart again. The stuff works. I used to keep it around for a certain single cylinder 600cc road race motorcycle I had which ran 13:1 compression and had the counter balancer shaft removed. It shook pretty bad, blue Loctite and safety wire were my friends. :D I have it on the crane screw of all my DA revolvers, Taurus, Rossi, Smith and Wesson. This screw WILL back out, especially on light weight magnum revolvers. Loctite just assures it won't.

BSA1
April 26, 2012, 09:56 PM
That's all fine and dandy...but a Dealer is not going to tell you right up front that the brand of car is generally junk.
They want to make a sale...and get paid to do so.
Ya lost me....

Some people get a Taurus gun and never have a problem. I get that...and don't disagree.
But, why I wonder do we hear so many more complaints about Taurus than say Smith or Ruger for example?
It's because they just can't compete and enough people have mentioned it to the point that there must be some truth to it in my book.
If Taurus was all wonderful and everything, you'd hear a higher percentage of praise rather than issues and problems.
Just sayin'.....

Oh yeah......and having a drivers license doesn't mean you can drive either.
It's only used as a form of ID by the dealer.
Once you drive off the lot, they couldn't care less if you crash 20 times on the way home or not....lol


I would suggest that since you consider Taurus handguns to be junk you pay more attention to stories about them having problems.

I would also suggest that nothing is going to change your mind about their quality control.

Which is fine with me as there are so many guns to buy and so little time. ;-)

Tomcat47
April 26, 2012, 11:31 PM
One must also consider this....

And I have and Love my S&Wesson firearms, but there have been a couple minor issues over the years with mine as well as others I know....insignificant!

Now, If S&W (as example only) produced the number of... (revolvers - another example) that Taurus produced every year, they would probably receive equal criticism....just sayin.....and they produce no where near the quantity that Taurus does.

Wish I knew the quantity (true number) of revolvers or total firearms they produce each year? And the Quantity (true number) that were returned for repair? That would give a true ratio to there quality on a manufacturing standpoint.

But that wont matter either...Taurus haters will always hate em....just the way it is!..........:scrutiny:

SabbathWolf
April 27, 2012, 12:47 AM
That's all fine and dandy...but a Dealer is not going to tell you right up front that the brand of car is generally junk.
They want to make a sale...and get paid to do so.
Ya lost me....

Some people get a Taurus gun and never have a problem. I get that...and don't disagree.
But, why I wonder do we hear so many more complaints about Taurus than say Smith or Ruger for example?
It's because they just can't compete and enough people have mentioned it to the point that there must be some truth to it in my book.
If Taurus was all wonderful and everything, you'd hear a higher percentage of praise rather than issues and problems.
Just sayin'.....

Oh yeah......and having a drivers license doesn't mean you can drive either.
It's only used as a form of ID by the dealer.
Once you drive off the lot, they couldn't care less if you crash 20 times on the way home or not....lol


I would suggest that since you consider Taurus handguns to be junk you pay more attention to stories about them having problems.

I would also suggest that nothing is going to change your mind about their quality control.

Which is fine with me as there are so many guns to buy and so little time. ;-)

You're right.
Nothing is going to change my mind.
I had a Taurus 38spl that gave me nothing but problems.
So I've experienced it first hand, not vicariously through stories by somebody else.
I don't "have" to like Taurus any more any you can't make me....
:neener:

HiVel1
April 27, 2012, 08:00 PM
They all do that-right? I heard Taurus has a new deal where they give you a free shipping return label with each gun they sell. Good idea. Not that they fix them. I had one that spent enough time in the air to get enough frequent flyer miles to ship that sucker one way to Australia.. gone for good.

MCgunner
April 27, 2012, 08:04 PM
I'll keep all mine, thanks.

Doug S
April 27, 2012, 09:16 PM
But that wont matter either...Taurus haters will always hate em....just the way it is!..........

Yes, beware of those evil "Taurus haters":eek::neener:

SabbathWolf
April 27, 2012, 09:31 PM
They all do that-right? I heard Taurus has a new deal where they give you a free shipping return label with each gun they sell. Good idea. Not that they fix them. I had one that spent enough time in the air to get enough frequent flyer miles to ship that sucker one way to Australia.. gone for good.


"frequent flyer miles........."

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Tomcat47
April 27, 2012, 11:41 PM
Yes, beware of those evil "Taurus haters"

Not the way I meant it, but funny nonetheless...........;)

It is just that the HUGE percentage of Taurus bashers, have in fact NEVER owned one and actually just jump on the band wagon.....mob rule so to speak!

Another percentage actually have owned one, and bash it due only to the fact that it is "not accurate" and in most of those cases, they would not be accurate with anything....I have been a witness/participant to this at gun range on more than one case.....

This piece of @!%* wont hit nothing.....:fire:

I pick it up and put all rounds on target in decent group.....:confused:

And then there is the percentage I say actually tells the truth from actual ownership and problems, which usually involves some degree of intelligence in mechanical devices, and give Taurus constructive criticism rather than no chance in $#!! of ever being able to make a accurate and dependable firearm.

I have a safe full of accurate dependable Taurus firearms, living with Rugers, S&W, Beretta, Springfield, and others and they are just all family.....

Not once have I opened my safe and the S&W and Rugers etc. were trying to kick them out!......:D

Doug S
April 28, 2012, 12:31 AM
It is just that the HUGE percentage of Taurus bashers, have in fact NEVER owned one and actually just jump on the band wagon.....mob rule so to speak!

I've not noticed this. My personal opinion on Taurus is based on having owned 7 Taurus guns, all of which were purchased new in the box, over a period of about 7yrs; and over half of which had problems that caused them to be functionally unreliable (nothing to do with accuracy problems). That said, if the above statement has any credibility at all, I'd agree that it's just silly to listen to someone's opinion on a topic, with which they have no personal experience.

SabbathWolf
April 28, 2012, 03:28 AM
I've not noticed this. My personal opinion on Taurus is based on having owned 7 Taurus guns, all of which were purchased new in the box, over a period of about 7yrs; and over half of which had problems that caused them to be functionally unreliable (nothing to do with accuracy problems). That said, if the above statement has any credibility at all, I'd agree that it's just silly to listen to someone's opinion on a topic, with which they have no personal experience.

My only question would be..."7?"
Really?..."7?"
It's not that I don't believe you.
I do.
I have no reason not to; and I've never seen you say anything else to EVER to lead me to doubt your integrity what so ever.

But what in the world kept you still buying a brand you had trouble with until it added up to 7 of them?
Wow.
Most people would have stopped after 1 or 2.
You are truly not a quitter!
I salute you Sir....
:D

Doug S
April 28, 2012, 09:30 AM
My only question would be..."7?"
Really?..."7?"
It's not that I don't believe you.
I do.
I have no reason not to; and I've never seen you say anything else to EVER to lead me to doubt your integrity what so ever.

But what in the world kept you still buying a brand you had trouble with until it added up to 7 of them?
Wow.
Most people would have stopped after 1 or 2.

This seems to be a real sticking point for some. In fact I was accused of being dishonest by two fellows on TFL because I shared this. I think it shows that I had nothing against the brand, and kept buying into the idea put forth on so many threads like this one, that Taurus is a good brand and my examples were just flukes...but by number 7, I had slowly learned my lesson. It started out because Taurus seemed the most affordable to me at the time, and continued because I liked some of their ideas versus cost, like a 9mm snub for instance. All of that said, thanks for not being one of those who call my integrity (or intelligence) into question for sharing my experience. It seems like some Taurus owners just aren't "big minded" enough not to do so.

For the record, here is my list...

1. Taurus 94 2in snub -frequent light strikes not ammo related.
2. Taurus 605 - this was a good one
3. Taurus PT111- trigger broke with the first 65 shots of first range session
4. Taurus 85 - sporadic trigger malfunctions
5-6. Taurus 650 x 2 - one of which would start binding when it heated up because the cylinder/barrel gap was too tight. It worked fine after repairs, but Taurus sent this blued model back with rust on it. The second, stainless 650 worked fine.
7. Taurus 905 IB - would lock up for reasons I was unable to figure out, and Taurus couldn't fix.

Not that anyone would want to, but I'm sure that if one were bored enough to check the archives here and on TFL they could confirm these purchases.

Funny, a guy can't get ahead. Either they are being accused of never having owned a Taurus, or they are ridiculed for being stupid enough to buy too many of them.

oldfool
April 28, 2012, 10:12 AM
I cannot really blame the Taurus guys who have older Taurus' (like me), or a couple of newer Taurus guns that worked out really well for them... for getting real upset on these threads
so much of this 'thrashing' does happen on gun boards
Anybody who owns any gun that makes them smile has plenty enough good reason to smile, and good enough reason to get mad if 'ridiculed'

But, I just cannot relate to the constant theme song replayed that it is some "Vast Internet Conspiracy", or 'noobs only' who cannot aim a gun, or "I know a guy who knows a guy" nonsense ...
especially so with a bunch of links that are really just another form of "I know (??) a guy who knows a guy" in supposed rebuttal
hey, I know (??) a LOT of cyberpersons, but I know a lot of shooters, too, 1st person relationships, face-to-face, at home, at range, username = real name
and if family, friend, or shootin' buddy pulls a NIB gun out come range day, and it falls apart, or locks up in 5 rounds fired, you are probably going to hear about it, right here
(and you just might not want to call 'em idiots and internet commandoes right to their face, because they all carry their own heat, and some of 'em have a shorter fuse than I do)

Every gun specific model topic I read here, the majority (by a large margin) are stating hands on experience, BOTH good and bad with gun X
People who take the time to post one word replies like "crap" or "POS" really ought get off their 'keyboards' and go shoot something, agreed
But pretending that long time shooters (which are a large demographic on this forum) are just here to make up pretend stories is just plain silly

There is a difference between "thrashing" and "bashing" -
I owned a Nash Rambler once upon a time, a sweet little vehicle
I also owned a lemon yellow AMC station wagon once upon a time, I won't tell you about, because they don't allow that sort of language on this forum
But I sure told everybody who would listen all about it, and never bought another AMC product; apparently some other folks didn't buy more AMC product either, for whatever their legit reasons were.
(AMC, you know, had 'the best warranty in the business'.. leastways until you needed it)

I say, when 'they' don't earn our confidence, they need to hear about it, loudly and often. Because we don't want them to go out of business. We want them to shape up and earn back our trust. Same goes for S&W, Ruger, Colt, Kimber, anybody, everybody.
yeah I like S&W revolvers, but when they can't match up the number of holes and flutes on a cylinder, they need a good cold hard slap "wake up call"
Post it on public gun forums, rattle their cage !
same goes for brand X, Y, or Z

got a good one, tell us about it
got a bad one, tell us about it
I ain't got enough years left in me to buy every one of 'em to try myself
but not so old I cannot learn from the experience of others

But keep the topic on 'the gun', and leave the "he/she touched me first !" to the kindergarten kids

PS
and do not discount those "noobs", either, we were all "noobs"
they buy a brand X gun they "can't hit with", they may likely never own another brand X
but some just might buy brand Y or brand Z, learn to hit with, and be handing out advice here and elsewhere

MachIVshooter
April 28, 2012, 10:17 AM
Why would it be the dealers responsibility?
If I go buy a new car, the dealer doesn't teach me how to drive it or avoid crashing it.

The Taurus issue would be more like selling you a car with loose lug nuts.

Auto dealers (most, anyway) prep any vehicle for sale, be it used or brand new off the trailer from factory. Remove carpet covers and other protectant films, check tire pressure, set clock, calibrate compass, check fluids, test drive a few miles.

I'm a mechanic, I own my company. I inspect new parts for defects and verify proper function before installation/before the vehicle leaves my facility. Not my fault if the part is bad, but 1) I do own some of the responsibility if I miss an obvious flaw and 2) I'm the one who has to deal with the customer, not my parts supplier.

LGS should remove new firearm from packaging, clean it off, give it a basic inspection. Is it the dealer's fault if a new gun has a prblem? No. Are they likely to get blamed on some level and have a less-than-happy customer? Yes. Therefore, it would be prudent for them to give each new gun a once-over.

Doug S
April 28, 2012, 10:32 AM
oldfool said,

But, I just cannot relate to the constant theme song replayed that it is some "Vast Internet Conspiracy", or 'noobs only' who cannot aim a gun, or "I know a guy who knows a guy" nonsense ...
especially so with a bunch of links that are really just another form of "I know (??) a guy who knows a guy" in supposed rebuttal
hey, I know (??) a LOT of cyberpersons, too, but I know a lot of shooters, too, 1st person relationships, face-to-face, at home, at range, username = real name

Every gun specific model topic I read here, the majority (by a large margin) are stating hands on experience, BOTH good and bad with gun X


Agreed...good post all around. I appreciate the comments.

oldfool
April 28, 2012, 10:54 AM
"I was accused of being dishonest by two fellows on TFL because I shared this."

If I were a betting man, I bet I could make a fair guess which two
(they make the rounds, same theme song)
but I ain't a betting man nohow
my limit is one mega-millions $1 ticket a week, enough to keep me from indulging in far more dangerous fantasies, you know

thanks for sharing your experience, here, Doug S
both the good and the bad

One78Shovel
April 28, 2012, 11:46 AM
I'm not a Taurus hater by birth. Just turning into one. Don't forget, I bought one right? It just fell apart after 40 or so rounds. It is what it is.

-178S

skidder
April 28, 2012, 12:29 PM
Another percentage actually have owned one, and bash it due only to the fact that it is "not accurate" and in most of those cases, they would not be accurate with anything....I have been a witness/participant to this at gun range on more than one case.....

I am a Taurus basher, but I will also defend them when it comes to accuracy.
I've owned two Trackers, both went south, but my 970 was the most accurate handgun ever. Free hand a pop can at 50 yds 80% of the time, made me look like I could shoot :D. I'd be at the range and if anybody showed up next to me....out came the 970 (this gun covered over a multitude of sins).

My problem is mostly with QC and CS. Raise the price a little and use that money to repair the defects before they leave, and when they return. I think if you get a good one you probably have a good one that will last awhile, but as for me and my house we don't care to buck the odds.

SabbathWolf
April 28, 2012, 09:57 PM
This seems to be a real sticking point for some. In fact I was accused of being dishonest by two fellows on TFL because I shared this. I think it shows that I had nothing against the brand, and kept buying into the idea put forth on so many threads like this one, that Taurus is a good brand and my examples were just flukes...but by number 7, I had slowly learned my lesson. It started out because Taurus seemed the most affordable to me at the time, and continued because I liked some of their ideas versus cost, like a 9mm snub for instance. All of that said, thanks for not being one of those who call my integrity (or intelligence) into question for sharing my experience. It seems like some Taurus owners just aren't "big minded" enough not to do so.

For the record, here is my list...

1. Taurus 94 2in snub -frequent light strikes not ammo related.
2. Taurus 605 - this was a good one
3. Taurus PT111- trigger broke with the first 65 shots of first range session
4. Taurus 85 - sporadic trigger malfunctions
5-6. Taurus 650 x 2 - one of which would start binding when it heated up because the cylinder/barrel gap was too tight. It worked fine after repairs, but Taurus sent this blued model back with rust on it. The second, stainless 650 worked fine.
7. Taurus 905 IB - would lock up for reasons I was unable to figure out, and Taurus couldn't fix.

Not that anyone would want to, but I'm sure that if one were bored enough to check the archives here and on TFL they could confirm these purchases.

Funny, a guy can't get ahead. Either they are being accused of never having owned a Taurus, or they are ridiculed for being stupid enough to buy too many of them.


Lol......

Rest assured Doug that I'm "NOT" calling you out on anything at all.
Like I said, I have no reason to doubt you or your word either one.
So it was not my intent to give that impression at all.

I just meant that after #1 and then again with #3, I would have "personally" said "Good Bye Taurus...Catch Ya on the Flip Side"....and called it a day with that particular brand all together.
I mean, there are so many "other" brands out there to choose from, why keep subjecting yourself to the misery?
Unless you just like it like that, and consider it a challenge or something....
:D

SabbathWolf
April 28, 2012, 10:11 PM
The Taurus issue would be more like selling you a car with loose lug nuts.

Auto dealers (most, anyway) prep any vehicle for sale, be it used or brand new off the trailer from factory. Remove carpet covers and other protectant films, check tire pressure, set clock, calibrate compass, check fluids, test drive a few miles.

I'm a mechanic, I own my company. I inspect new parts for defects and verify proper function before installation/before the vehicle leaves my facility. Not my fault if the part is bad, but 1) I do own some of the responsibility if I miss an obvious flaw and 2) I'm the one who has to deal with the customer, not my parts supplier.

LGS should remove new firearm from packaging, clean it off, give it a basic inspection. Is it the dealer's fault if a new gun has a prblem? No. Are they likely to get blamed on some level and have a less-than-happy customer? Yes. Therefore, it would be prudent for them to give each new gun a once-over.

OK...Well I like the way you think, and you seem like a real reputable guy to have work on my truck.

But most gun dealers just sell a gun and tell the customer that if they have problems with it, it's the "manufacturer" who handles warranty issues and repair needs.
I mean, I don't have to like that policy either, but that's just usually how it goes. The dealers themselves are just middlemen drug dealers....lol

Doug S
April 29, 2012, 12:10 AM
Rest assured Doug that I'm "NOT" calling you out on anything at all.
Like I said, I have no reason to doubt you or your word either one.
So it was not my intent to give that impression at all.

No problem. I'm a slow learner I guess, but I eventually learned my lesson.

V1ROT8
April 29, 2012, 10:42 AM
In discussions like this, one is asking opinions of others. Be it ammo, firearms, holsters, it boils down to what you are comfortable with. Darn, my old Hi Point 45 has given me zero problems over three years. So I am comfortable with this firearm. Period.

JR47
April 29, 2012, 12:25 PM
I've owned well north of a dozen Taurus handguns. As stated before, some are old enough to have been imported by Interarms. NONE have been returned for a factory defect.

My dealings with S&Wm HK, Sig, and Colt, on the other hand, have been much less satisfactory.

A 625-3 that failed internally on the first shot.

A P229 that cracked it's slide in under 75 rounds.

A USP that patterned instead of grouping.

A Series 80 Government Model that had the sights BOTH leave the gun in 50 rounds.

A Model 617 S&W that ate it's sear pin, and bolt stop in under 100 rounds.

A Model 17 S&W that had undersized cylinder charge holes.

ALL of these required a trip back to the factory, and ALL of them took between 6-8 weeks to resolve. Even the Model 17 that S&W told me was within spec.

Please note that NONE of them involved routine maintenance items, nor could they have been detected during even close inspection.

For me, Taurus has never been an issue. However, the much vaunted S&W plainly should be never trusted.

Taurus is a gun that some people literally travel from forum to forum bashing. That, in the 1970's and 1980's was the exact same issue that S&W had. How many remember the derisive "gun of the week" comments about new introductions? Or the wholesale lament that Bangor Punta and Thompkins were only producing trash? I do. Yet, today, these are the "old" S&W's that many here recommend. I'm guessing that's because they are the survivors of the multitude of guns put out. The few that actually worked?

No manufacturer has any type of public record of warranty returns. So, anytime someone wants to denigrate a brand, this is open territory. Check with the LEO forums, or the internal memos of the LEO community, and you'll get a truly eye-opening taste of gun problems from purportedly popular manufacturer's weapons. There is NO "perfection". None.

One78Shovel
April 29, 2012, 01:18 PM
I've owned well north of a dozen Taurus handguns. As stated before, some are old enough to have been imported by Interarms. NONE have been returned for a factory defect.
Thank god.. You are one less person cramming the phone lines. :)
By my ciphering, that may reduce CS wait times from 30 to 29 minutes. :banghead:

Progress...

-178S

skidder
April 29, 2012, 02:00 PM
You are now officially a "basher", but don't sweat it ;). Valid Taurus complaints are often categorized under this term.

Common sense is a virtue. The ones who deny the high complaint ratio of taurus are usually the ones cherry picking in defense of a company that does not hold quality as one of its main staples. Calling people with valid complaints "bashers" puts them on the defensive. This derogatory term will only invoke hostility by insinuating their complaint is miniscule or fabricated. Everybody has pride in their current collection, but to habitually defend and disregard what is analytically in plain sight is not solid ground. We can do the dance of the "silver tongue" or......pull out our calculators and do the math.
Skidder,

I agree with you but the problem is doing the math would be tough. Taurus would never give up info on their return rate (I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't keep any kind of record) so the only other way would be to poll dealers. I have seen a few pictures on the forums of dealer posted signs warning they will not cover shipping for Taurus repairs (due to high volume) or that they have stopped dealing with them all together.

Good point, but the math I'm referring to is the online complaints. These complaints are across the board on several forums (except taurusarmed.net), and too often to be just a bunch of ya-hoos out trolling to heap misery on Taurus.
I myself am a member of tuarusarmed.net and have some early posts in this forum bragging of my 970 and my other Tracker before it went south to the factory. God did not create me to be a so called "basher" it was a learned behavior. Right now there is another poll in this forum with the numbers I'm referring to. "63 say no-way buy a Taurus", and "60 yes without hesitation" (current count at this moment). How can you say there is not a problem with numbers like these? The complaints are just way to high, and what baffles me is how people can say "I have a good one" and ignore these numbers like they are all fabricated? Then...turn around and recommend Taurus to a noob. Again, I'm not saying there aren't any good ones, but there are just to many bad ones to allow me to keep my mouth shut when somebody asks "should I buy a Taurus?".

SabbathWolf
April 29, 2012, 02:47 PM
Skidder,

I see your point.
When the numbers of people who complain about a certain product rises to around 50% or so....it's hard to believe that each and every one of them are only "bashers" parroting what they read someplace else. There is probably a little more to it than just that.

If you do a Google search for example on "Harley Oil Leak," you'll get a million hits on people talking about their bike leaking oil.
You'll also get a few hits from hard-core Harley fans saying, "My bike has never leaked oil even once."

But the numbers don't always lie.
I've had a Harley since 2001, and it "does" leak oil too.
I like the bike, but that doesn't change the facts.

MCgunner
April 29, 2012, 02:57 PM
Pan heads were DESIGNED to "leak" on the primary chain, now it was lubricated. TC88s address a lot of oil leak problems like replacing base gaskets with "O" rings. They're quire up to day regards to leaking, internal engine design not so much. :D

So, you see, regards to oil leaks, MODERN NEW HDs don't. Pans do by design and shovels do before break in. Evos did from the base gasket eventually if you were impatient and often didn't let the bike warm up before riding off.

Quality of Taurus? Well, I've not had a problem. Two I bought used, one new, but I checked all three out before purchase. I do the same for other guns, ESPECIALLY new and of course used Smith and Wesson revolvers.

SabbathWolf
April 29, 2012, 03:42 PM
Pan heads were DESIGNED to "leak" on the primary chain, now it was lubricated. TC88s address a lot of oil leak problems like replacing base gaskets with "O" rings. They're quire up to day regards to leaking, internal engine design not so much. :D

So, you see, regards to oil leaks, MODERN NEW HDs don't. Pans do by design and shovels do before break in. Evos did from the base gasket eventually if you were impatient and often didn't let the bike warm up before riding off.

Quality of Taurus? Well, I've not had a problem. Two I bought used, one new, but I checked all three out before purchase. I do the same for other guns, ESPECIALLY new and of course used Smith and Wesson revolvers.

Mine kept leaking from the rocker box covers instead....
It finally quit when I changed to after-market steel gaskets instead of the OEM paper/cardboard type.
So now, my Taurus revolver no longer leaks oil.
:eek:
Wait....what were we talking about again?
:D

Remllez
April 29, 2012, 04:13 PM
Skidder,

You're trying to confuse us with the facts!!! People that "own" Taurus products and have QC issues are by definition, bashers. Just ask any "Defender Of Taurus."

The one I owned was a POS, plain and simple. Comparing them to the overall quality of Smith and Wesson, Colts, and Sigs is just ignorant. The fact that Taurus handguns are not shot in national competition speaks volumes to me.

As for Harleys, I started riding them in 1967 and rode them for over thirty years until a friend let me ride his BMW, I sold both my Harleys and bought a BMW within a month...I just couldn't ignore the quality......:)

JERRY
April 29, 2012, 04:16 PM
taurus usually makes some descent guns. the problem is when one of their guns is a POS and you try to get them to fix it.

SabbathWolf
April 29, 2012, 04:56 PM
Skidder,

You're trying to confuse us with the facts!!! People that "own" Taurus products and have QC issues are by definition, bashers. Just ask any "Defender Of Taurus."

The one I owned was a POS, plain and simple. Comparing them to the overall quality of Smith and Wesson, Colts, and Sigs is just ignorant. The fact that Taurus handguns are not shot in national competition speaks volumes to me.

As for Harleys, I started riding them in 1967 and rode them for over thirty years until a friend let me ride his BMW, I sold both my Harleys and bought a BMW within a month...I just couldn't ignore the quality......:)

Harley BASHER!!!!!
:neener:

lol......

Remllez
April 29, 2012, 05:06 PM
^^^^^LOL^^^^^


Sabbath you caught the humor......impressive Sir impressive!!

One78Shovel
April 29, 2012, 05:39 PM
Um, my shovel only marks it's spot when I keep oil in the bag. lol

I'd rather push a Harley than ride a rice grinder. And at this point, I may soon want to own a High Point vs Taurus.

-178S

blarby
April 29, 2012, 05:45 PM
Just want to clarify one thing.... you called a manufacturers' CS line on a monday and didn't expect a hold time ?

Its been about a week....you gotten through yet ?

One78Shovel
April 29, 2012, 05:51 PM
Just want to clarify one thing.... you called a manufacturers' CS line on a monday and didn't expect a hold time ?

Its been about a week....you gotten through yet ?
I expect not to have to call customer service on any day.

Call Glock, Ruger, S&W, SA, Kimber, Sig etc. on a Monday and see how long you wait.

But since I did, like I mentioned earlier, on hold for 30 someting minutes and hung up. Called back again later in the day and waited a little over 10 minutes.

They are sending me the 'parts' to replace the ones laying in the dirt somewhere. They send it ground and should be here in 7-10 days. So that should be about wednesday this week.

And I will add, I was impressed with the accuracy of the 40 or so rounds I did shoot considering a 2"bbl.

-178S

blarby
April 29, 2012, 05:57 PM
Okily dokily, thanks for clarifying.

Pretty high noise to signal ratio here, just got lost.

Sorry you got a little lemon juice with your new pistol, glad they made it right. ( assuming the parts show up as promised)

SabbathWolf
April 29, 2012, 05:58 PM
^^^^^LOL^^^^^


Sabbath you caught the humor......impressive Sir impressive!!

Ha ha ha.
Thanks.

I tease and joke a LOT in my daily life.
I find an OK sense of humor to be a great stress reliever.
After 20 years in the army, I came to the conclusion that life itself is just way too short to take everything on the planet so seriously all the time.
I mean, in the end, none of us ever make it outta this place alive anyways.
So might as well have some fun too.
:D

spaniel
April 29, 2012, 09:15 PM
Loose screws on a revolver? Time to invest in blue loctite.

I shot two revolvers tonight, a Smith and a Pietta. When I was done I found a loose action screw on the Pietta (which I just converted from BP to 45LC, so I haven't shot it in several years) and a loose cylinder latch on the Smith.

To be fair, the cylinder latch on one of my Taurus revolvers has come loose a time or two as well. The other two....chambered in smaller calibers...have never had any issues.

Unless you loctite them, screws WILL come loose. I don't care what brand you are shooting.

HiVel1
April 30, 2012, 10:00 AM
Isn't the upward move a part of why people get divorces too??

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