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epijunkie67
April 23, 2012, 07:20 PM
I just wanted to brag on my wife for a minute. She has always been a fairly liberal Democrat and when we first got together had the typical idea that "guns are bad". At one point she even tried to pull the "I'll never have a gun in my house" card. Of course that didn't fly but at first she wasn't happy with my gun ownership.

Over the years we've talked about firearms, self defense, and firearms ownership. She saw that people can own guns and be responsible. I started working night shift and she spent a lot of time alone at night. Eventually she asked me to help her find a gun for herself for home protection. After trying everything I own she adopted my FN57 because the recoil is nonexistent and the first time she shot it at the range she was able to chew a ragged hole center mass at 10 yards. She keeps that gun in her bedside drawer now (we have no children here).

Despite her acceptance of firearms she remains a Democrat and listens to liberal talk radio. This morning one of the shows host was talking about his belief that guns should be banned. My liberal Democrat wife who once said "no guns in my house" called in and totally defended gun ownership! She made several solid points about why she keeps a firearm and why everyone should retain that right.

The host said if people want to break in to steal your stuff it isn't worth killing someone over. "It's just stuff". My wife said "If someone breaks in here it's not because they want to help me bake cookies! I'm not going to get killed or raped in my own home. I've got 20 bullets in that gun and one of them is going to hit the bastard."

After getting off the phone the show host was talking to his female co-host and she agreed with every point my wide had made. And suddenly Mr Liberal talk show host guy wanted to change the subject and move on.

No real point in writing all this other than to brag on my wife. She has gone all the way from "guns are evil" to calling in to liberal talk shows to defend gun ownership. I'm proud of her for standing up and not staying silent. I think I'm a pretty lucky guy.

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allaroundhunter
April 23, 2012, 07:26 PM
.......and any liberal robber listening to that show will probably have second thoughts before trying to break into your house

Great job to your wife, and great choice of firearm!

And great job to yourself for getting her into the right mindset and letting her find the right gun, not many guys do that right.

tri70
April 23, 2012, 07:53 PM
She did good! Take her out to to eat!

fattycakes
April 23, 2012, 07:58 PM
My wife and I are both Liberal. I lean more towards Libertarian thinking but still. We are both Gun owners. The wife slings a Ruger Gp100 .357 and me a Beretta M9, just like the one I carried in the Navy. We also have other assorted long guns. We are both pro gun. I just dont think gun prohibition works. The criminals still get guns.

armoredman
April 23, 2012, 08:10 PM
Gun bans don't work, other wide Washington DC and Chicago would be the most peaceful and tranquil places on the planet. Mexico's gun bans make it one of the deadliest places in the world to live, (coupled with lucrative drug trade and a government that defines corrupt), while across the border we share, the crime rate in American states is FAR lower.
Welcome, fattycakes, welcome to THR,

HGUNHNTR
April 23, 2012, 08:13 PM
Another Liberal gun owner/avid RKBA promoter checking in. Liberal/gn owner is not a dichotomy. Good for you and her.:)

mljdeckard
April 23, 2012, 08:16 PM
See.....THIS is the real fight. We have to reach people who weren't already on our side. I don't need them to believe everything I believe. But when they hear about a politician supporting new gun laws, they should object.

firesky101
April 23, 2012, 08:29 PM
Your wife sounds like mine, If it cost me a lot of money and it looks tactical, it belongs to her. Oh well... I guess I could do worse.

k-frame
April 23, 2012, 08:29 PM
She did good! Take her out to to eat!

Even better, take her out to shoot!

And THEN to eat. :)

Scarce common sense prevails again; glad to see it.

danez71
April 23, 2012, 08:30 PM
Good for her!

And good for you and both of you for not making gund stand between you and her. In another thread on this very forum and dating a guns ... quiet a few posts were 'dump her'. Sad.

See.....THIS is the real fight. We have to reach people who weren't already on our side.

Very true. And that included his wife.

Ive said many times, libertarians are the fence sitters and the views dont preclude gun ownership.


I consider myself a liberal conservative or conservative liberal. I guess 'moderate' is the coined political term.

Steve CT
April 23, 2012, 09:04 PM
My wife has tolerated the shooting and guns in the house. A few months ago she surprised me with "I took my NRA Basic Pistol Class and I'm applying for my Carry Permit"

Married 35 years, I'm ready to re-enlist:D

Jim NE
April 23, 2012, 09:57 PM
My wife has come a long way, too. I remember 18 years ago, right after we were first married, we were moving our stuff in together and I mentioned that I had to get my 2 or 3 guns (just a .22 rifle and a Stallard pistol, maybe a cheap shotgun, too) and she went "What??" I was building my business back then and wasn't into guns at all, so I'd forgot to tell her I was a gun owner.

She saw absolutely no reason for city dwellers to own guns. A couple years ago I started getting back into guns. By that time it didn't bother her so much. I told her I was getting my CCW, and that didn't bother her that much either. She kind of cringed when I said I was joining the NRA again, though. She did shoot a shotgun for the first time last year, however. All in all, I'm pleasantly surprised with her reaction to my re-entry back into guns.

I guess we've both been changing on that count.

CharlieDeltaJuliet
April 23, 2012, 11:30 PM
Good for her. I am the first to say that everyone is entitled to their own opinion. People can hate firearms all they want, as long as they dont try to pass their beliefs on to me or take my right to bear arms from me. I am glad that someone else has seen that a gun is never the problem, it's the person holding it that is good or bad.

abq87120
April 23, 2012, 11:45 PM
My wife was indifferent to guns when we married. Since then, she has her CCW and two EDCs. What a girl!

wrs840
April 23, 2012, 11:58 PM
My wife and I are both Liberal...

Why? I'm really curious. The "liberals" in power aren't standing for anything but a coalition of grievance-groups who want to end the 2A and make others pay their bills. ...Seems that way to me, anyway.

Manson
April 24, 2012, 05:09 AM
Interesting post. Strange as it seems I know a lot of people who, while not far left, are just a tad left of center. They support 2A and don't all simply follow the party line blindly.

The-Reaver
April 24, 2012, 05:34 AM
This story made me smile.

76shuvlinoff
April 24, 2012, 05:58 AM
Over the last 25 years my wife has come to accept my gun habit. She recently became the owner of her very own SP101 and now we punch paper on a regular basis. It became her bedside firearm. Who knows? one of these days she may even take the class for a cpl.
She never was what I would call a liberal, she just had little exposure to guns or positive gun people along the way.

Ragnar Danneskjold
April 24, 2012, 07:11 AM
Republican/Democrat and Liberal/Conservative are not really accurate enough terms. Individualist/Collectivist to me at least, seem to be more descriptive of the overall ideals of one side vs. the next. Collectivists tend to be in favor of gun control because they want each person to act as part of the whole society. Your money goes to society, society tells you what care you can drive, what lightbulbs you can own, how much money you can make, whether your speech is acceptable, etc. The want to be the ones in charge of raising your children, telling you how to eat, how to work and how to sleep. Gun control plays right into this mentality for two reasons.

A: Fighting crime is the role of appointed officials, IE police. Shoot shooting? Wait for a cop. Break in? Wait for a cop. "Only cops and soldiers should have guns" and so forth.

B: Gun ownership as a means to fight government tyranny is wholly opposed to the idea of collectivism. Individuals deciding for themselves how to live, and using violence to make sure they are allowed to is on the opposite end of the spectrum of a "you're part of the whole, it's not your decision" mentality.


Individualists have views that are essentially on the opposite side of all fo these beliefs. I'll keep my money. I'll work how I want, and hire/fire who I want. I'll live where I want, drive whatever car I want, practice what religion I want, say what I want, eat what I want. My kids will be raised and will learn the values I choose.

And I will take care of myself and my own. I don't need you and your collective, and your collective better keep your hands out of my pockets.


Both political parties have positions in a variety of matters that fall into one camp or the other. Republicans generally oppose legalizing drugs, which is a fairly collectivist opinion. But liberal democrats tend to be collectivists on almost everything else. Public schools, politically correct speech, "progressive" taxes, and gun control, among other things. Neither side is 100% individualist or 100% collectivist, and no single politician falls on one side or the other 100%. But one side does have more individualist positions than not, and the other side does have more collectivist positions.

For those who are in favor of gun ownership, which I imagine is nearly all of us, ask yourself why you like guns and why you own them. And ask if you're OK with others owning them. Do you agree with the individualism aspect of gun ownership? Taking care of yourself, having fun how you want, etc.

Do you believe in collectivist ideals for other matters? If yes, why the dichotomy?

MedWheeler
April 24, 2012, 07:17 AM
My wife, raised in Russia, is coming around very slowly, and I don't push anything. She knew I owned some when we married, and that I had been a police officer. She seemed put off when I told her I'd sent off for my carry license several years back. Now, she seems at peace whn we are out and about and she knows I'm armed. She has also casually mentioned when seeing a woman shoot on one of the so-called "reality" gun-based shows that "it might be fun". That's only been recent, and I am still trying to plan a range intro for her.
Incidentally, during a "survival" class Russian high schoolers used to have to take, she was exposed to, and fired, an AK-47, apparently without qualm.

CharlieDeltaJuliet
April 24, 2012, 09:31 AM
My wife had never fired a firearm until our first date. She seen how interrested I am in guns in general and was curious. I let her shoot my Taurus 44, needless to say she was hooked. Fast forward a few years and she can out shoot alot of my range buddies....

moewadle
April 24, 2012, 09:43 AM
think of, for the 1000th time, is I hate these labels. Liberal and Conservative, etc. Does everyone think that all so-called liberals are against guns or that all pro-gun people are Conservatives. Let us drop the political labels and talk in terms of RKBA etc. I happen to be a moderate Democrat that has a strong feeling about my 2nd amendment rights. (Do you think I like Diane Feinstein and Charles Schumer?) The thing of it is....it seems most people vote on one issue when picking a candidate....there are many, many important issues.

Anyway, great for the OPs spouse....kudos to her a million times!!

Buck Kramer
April 24, 2012, 09:45 AM
Kinda the same story with my girlfriend, started with "There is no reason for someone to own an AK47" and less than 2 years later she calls my favorite AK-74 "hers" and feels UNcomfortable if shes home and there isn't a loaded handgun in the house.

loose noose
April 24, 2012, 09:57 AM
Both my wives, the one that passed away because of cancer, and my present wife, have allways been supportive of me and my firearms. In fact the first one use to keep a 5 shot .38 near her bed stand, which she could shoot fairly well. My other wife encourages me to go shooting as often as I like, and has no qualms about me buying another firearm. Now how is that for being super blessed>:D

loose noose
April 24, 2012, 09:59 AM
Both my wives, the one that passed away because of cancer, and my present wife, have allways been supportive of me and my firearms. In fact the first one use to keep a 5 shot .38 near her bed stand, which she could shoot fairly well. My other wife encourages me to go shooting as often as I like, and has no qualms about me buying another firearm. Now how is that for being super blessed>:D I haven't had her out shooting yet but in time, I'm sure she will come out with me.

Ryanxia
April 24, 2012, 09:59 AM
That's great. Glad to hear, it's always good when a friend/family members turns to the good side :)

grasssnake
April 24, 2012, 11:37 AM
Keep her barefoot and pregnant and you will have yourself a hillbilly wife worth keepin'

Ragnar Danneskjold
April 24, 2012, 12:43 PM
Keep her barefoot and pregnant and you will have yourself a hillbilly wife worth keepin'


Wait, what?

Dustin0
April 24, 2012, 12:45 PM
Its a Kentucky thing. Dont worry its normal around here.

dprice3844444
April 24, 2012, 12:51 PM
a Democrat and listens to liberal talk radio

start taping rush limbaugh shows for her

Sky
April 24, 2012, 01:09 PM
Great conversion story and thanks for posting. If more of us could put a well woven rebuttal against some of the anti dribble and out right misquotes or lies that are fostered through radio and media, occasionally, then maybe we could beat back many of the misconceptions and reasons for not owning.

Again great story

ForumSurfer
April 24, 2012, 01:49 PM
Good on her and good on you for being patient.

Let us drop the political labels and talk in terms of RKBA etc.

Yep! Drop the labels. We need as many people as possible on our side. Political affiliation means nothing so long as they are actively working to further the RKBA.

SSN Vet
April 24, 2012, 03:43 PM
Some time ago, I was introduced to the term "love lines" in reference to the connections we all have to our upbringing, education, religion, ethnicity, culture, etc....

The basic idea is that people have certain loyalties that they hold to, without much logic or reason. And that if you argue against them about these points, you will get an emotional (and often angry) response.

We all have our love lines.

It takes a mature person to evaluate them and change our positions.

A personal commitment to the truth goes a long ways in this regard.

CoRoMo
April 24, 2012, 03:58 PM
Mr Liberal talk show host guy wanted to change the subject and move on.
I have to wonder if he was swayed in the least... or if he just wrote her off as a nonbeliever, a traitor to the cause, just some ill-informed listener who won't abide by the doctrine, a stray sheep so to speak. I wonder if she really impacted those hosts or any of their listeners. I hope people weren't screaming at their radio, shouting something like, "Get off the phone! You're not one of us! Go join the hicks in the GOP, we don't need you!"

I always wonder how the message is received amongst the die hard fascists who would disarm this nation's citizens. It's good to hear that SHE has received the message that you've relayed with an open ear.

Inazone
April 24, 2012, 03:59 PM
My wife is pretty liberal on social issues, but in the eight years we've been married, she has "seen the light" on why the typical Democrat economics are unsustainable . . . and why the right for private citizens to own firearms is so important. She has never questioned my gun purchases, and has taken the step from accepting my interest in shooting to being interested herself. She is in the Army Reserves (medical) and had never fired a handgun until drill last month, but she proved to be a quick study and now wants to go with me to the range.

As for political labels, they just don't mean much anymore. I always considered myself a conservative and voted Republican for many years, but now I find myself more interested in voting for who best represents me than in what party they belong to. Frankly, the only way I think the US will ever get back on a firm footing is if the federal government stops sticking its nose into state/local issues (where citizens are arguably better-represented) and deals with matters that require a UNITED approach. Too many resources are being poured into telling people "you can't do that" when the decision-makers can't relate to the population they govern.

Sambo82
April 24, 2012, 04:03 PM
Wow, good summary on post #22 Ragnar. I've always thought of it as Liberty vs. Statist, but collectivist vs. individualist is the same concept.

Even though there are some self professed "liberal gun owners", I agree that they should question why they support the collectivization of some parts of society, such as wealth, healthcare, food, and education, and yet not the wholesale collectivization of firearm ownership. The argument against the distribution of wealth into the hands of a few seems to be that those few may use their wealth to ill gotten ends, or that unnecessary death and suffering will result from a lack of those at the bottom to afford living necessities, or healthcare.

It is no coincidence that the primary argument against individual firearm ownership is that those individuals may use said firearms for ill gotten ends, or that they may cause unnecessary death and suffering. In the same way that proponents of RKBA recognize that that the death/crime rate is actually lower when individuals possess the freedom to keep arms, we should also recognize that the poverty rate is actually lower when indviduals possess the freedom to collect wealth. Arguments to the contrary of both of these statements are emotionally pithy, but don't stand the scruitny of history or objective study.

Ragnar Danneskjold
April 24, 2012, 04:41 PM
It is no coincidence that the primary argument against individual firearm ownership is that those individuals may use said firearms for ill gotten ends, or that they may cause unnecessary death and suffering. In the same way that proponents of RKBA recognize that that the death/crime rate is actually lower when individuals possess the freedom to keep arms, we should also recognize that the poverty rate is actually lower when indviduals possess the freedom to collect wealth. Arguments to the contrary of both of these statements are emotionally pithy, but don't stand the scruitny of history or objective study.

Outstanding point.

There is a concept known as the "moral hazard" which is defined as "Lack of incentive to guard against risk where one is protected from its consequences". It is used a lot in economics but it applies pretty much everywhere in life. When one relies on others, or can place the responsibility for something on others, whatever they are doing tends to be done in an inferior way than if they are doing it for themselves. The examples are everywhere. Look at public ranges even. Trash is left everywhere because "It's not my land, someone else will clean it up". Graffiti on public property, welfare and unemployment abuse, and so forth. Parents relying on teacher to rais and feed their children. Wherever a human can shift the blame, responsibility, or cost for something onto someone other than themselves with no consequences, they do so. And the vast majority of the time, things end up worse for it.

When one must take care of themselves, it tends to be done better. When it's your property, you take a little more time keeping it clean and working. When it's your money, you make sure it's spent a little more wisely. When it's your life, you go the extra mile to protect yourself. In each case, when you must do something, fix something, clean something, and especially pay for something yourself, you tend to do it a lot better than if someone else was doing it for you. And it goes both ways. When you're doing something for yourself, you do a better job than if you were doing it for some unknown "other".

This relates to individualism vs. collectivism and guns in that there is indeed less crime when people can protect themselves. There is less tyranny when the citizens are looking after themselves. Whenever you sell out your own protection, whether from a thug on a street or a tyrant in the capitol, the quality of that protection is degraded.

Flopsweat
April 24, 2012, 04:48 PM
I was talking with one of my closest shooting buddies recently at the range, and he mentioned that while he would be considered a liberal and I a conservative, we seem to agree on just about every subject we discuss. This is not the first time someone has said this to me nor vice versa. I'm beginning to have hope that the two parties will eventually collapse under their own weight; that enough of us get fed up with their shenanigans that they become more or less irrelevant. This is the "revolution" that we should seek. This should be our "fundamental change". There is no reason that concepts like charity and self reliance can't coexist if we'd just quit listening to the folks trying to use hate to get votes. On a more gun-related note, we also agreed that his H&K and my Ruger were about equally matched on accuracy and fun factor. Sharing is good. ;)

MedWheeler
April 27, 2012, 10:58 AM
Wait a minute.. is it still okay to talk about our wives in this thread..?

epijunkie67
April 27, 2012, 08:57 PM
Wait a minute.. is it still okay to talk about our wives in this thread..?

As long as you mind her reading it... LOL

orionengnr
April 27, 2012, 09:58 PM
To the OP--good on your wife, and good on you for marrrying her.

To the remainder of the posters on this thread--some seriously insightful posts.
This is what makes THR one of the better boards out there. Keep up the great work and civil discourse.

blarby
April 27, 2012, 10:18 PM
+1 for your awesome wife !

Always good to have a partner who ya click with !

Agsalaska
April 28, 2012, 12:28 AM
Ragnar I 100% agree with your first post. That is exactly right.

Moewadle from post 22, I also agree that voting on single issues is a huge problem in our society. People get focused on a single issue and ignore all other facts about them. Its ridiculous.

I personally believe the amount of democrats who are pro 2nd Amendment is the largest factor holding the liberals back from passing more restrictive gun laws.


Now back to the OP, cool story. My wife is cool with my gun habit. But, unfortunately, she was present for an accidental discharge of a 20 gauge shotgun in a kitchen many years ago. No one was hurt except the freezer, but it scarred her for life I am afraid. She has a loaded revolver and I think she would use it if someone broke in the house, but she is not comfortable around them and has to dig pretty deep just to practice. Fortunately she is a country girl and has shot guns, on and off, for most of her life. They dont feel foreign to her. But I doubt she will ever get her CCW or shoot for the fun of it. I hate that she witnessed that but it is what it is. Im certainly not about to force anything on her.

DavidMS
April 29, 2012, 10:01 PM
The basic requirement of a liberal temperament is a willingness to re-evaluate one's beliefs in light of new evidence.

I am also left of center and like target shooting.

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