Slide won't budge on Colt 1911


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Balrog
April 24, 2012, 10:29 PM
I have a Colt 1911 with about 150 rounds thru it. It has worked flawlessly. Last time I shot it, I did not have a chance to clean it immediately afterwards, and it has set in the safe for a couple of months. I took it out today. I can't get the slide to budge at all, not even a millimeter. The safety is completely off. I have no idea what the problem could be since it worked fine last time it was shot.

Any ideas?

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e3mrk
April 24, 2012, 10:37 PM
There is not really a lot that can jam the Slide unless it is just full of Carbon and corrosion.
Remove the Hand Grips and Magazine and soak it in P.B.Blaster over night and it should free it up.

wow6599
April 24, 2012, 10:50 PM
Remove the Hand Grips and Magazine and soak it in P.B.Blaster over night and it should free it up.

I don't have an answer for ya, but I can tell you this ^ ain't it.

No disrespect e3mrk, but carbon build-up wouldn't cause this.....especially after 150 rds. Someone will be around shortly to help you out.

Balrog
April 24, 2012, 10:55 PM
A few more things...

Gun is a series 80, 100 yrs of service roll marked Colt, so made in 2011. Its been to the range twice. 150 rounds at most. Not even broke in really.

The slide won't budge at all. Not even a wiggle... its like its completely seized.

Safety is completely disengaged.

Hammer is still cockable. Trigger still drops the hammer. Thumb Safety engages and disengages with no problems.

I always rack the slide a few times after I shoot a gun to verify it is unloaded before i transport it. I have no specific recollection of doing this for this gun, but assume I would have as it is my protocol. There was no problems racking the slide at last session.

LCPor9mm
April 24, 2012, 11:21 PM
First off, I don't know jack about your 1911 so keep that in mind. Secondly, I would never shoot any of my guns then put them away for MONTHS without cleaning!!! :cuss: Well ok maybe my HiPoint...but at least I run a Boresnake through it and spray it.
Have you tried removing the barrel bushing?

Balrog
April 24, 2012, 11:23 PM
Secondly, I would never shoot any of my guns then put them away for MONTHS without cleaning!!!

I was recovering from cancer surgery for most of that time, and it seemed like a low priority.

Sky
April 24, 2012, 11:23 PM
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=549744

We had another person with the same problem a long time ago. The fix is fairly straight forward if that is the same problem with yours. Good luck


I had something like that happen after a young Military recruit cleaned my 1911.

If you can remove the spring; if not remove end cap to release tension. Move slide back and forth (shake, rattle, and roll) until the slide goes back far enough to get the slide stop pin out for disassembly. Put the 1911 back together and be sure the pin goes through the eye of the barrel link loop. Sounds like you missed the eye of the barrel link to me...It is easy to do and if that is the problem no damage was done and hope that helps.

You can actually shoot the 1911 for a bit even after the eye loop is missed; not always just depends on the weapon. But when they lock up, they lock....

LCPor9mm
April 24, 2012, 11:36 PM
I was recovering from cancer surgery for most of that time, and it seemed like a low priority.

Good luck. Admonishment retracted. :banghead:

9mmepiphany
April 24, 2012, 11:40 PM
Hopefully someone like rcmodel shows up with an approved method of clearing it.

The safest thing to do is take it to a gunsmith and pay them to free the slide

Having said that, I'll add that I've never had it happen with a 1911, but I have had it happen before when shooting dirty ammo....

I'M NOT RECOMMENDING THIS, but it is what I did...placed front of the slide, under the muzzle, on a table and drove the frame forward...it was a H&K P7. I've also seen folks fix the frame in a vice and drive the slide back with a mallet

xXxplosive
April 24, 2012, 11:46 PM
Ouch................never........not my Series 70's.

9mmepiphany
April 24, 2012, 11:53 PM
If you can remove the spring; if not remove end cap to release tension.
I always seem to forget you have this option with a 1911.

Sounds like a reasonable path.
1. Depress the recoil spring plug
2. Rotate the bushing
3. Remove plug
4. Rotate and remove bushing

This should free up the forward pressure on the slide

Fremmer
April 24, 2012, 11:59 PM
Yup that slide is stuck, so remove the bushing and the spring. You may have to tug/push a bit. :D

9mmepiphany
April 25, 2012, 01:06 AM
Ouch................never........not my Series 70's.

Much like the advice about not looking in the kitchen if you are going to eat at a restaurant, sometimes it is better not to know what happens in the back at a pistolsmith's shop.

I still remember the flinch the first time I saw a pistol smith take a Q-tip and mallet to fix my S&W revolver

Fremmer
April 25, 2012, 01:12 AM
That's sort of like watching the nurse take blood from your newborn's foot! It hurts just to watch.

Skylerbone
April 25, 2012, 01:30 AM
One part of my reassembly proceedure is, after inserting the slide stop pin and while it's hanging free, is to give the barrel a tug forward. That will tell you if you captured the link.

You may also need to apply downward pressure on the barrel hood since it cannot link down normally.

Greg528iT
April 25, 2012, 01:59 AM
My first guess is, rode hard put away WET. Where do you live? Hot humid? Near saltwater? I know new gun should not rust, but a fitted slide will have bare steel. Recovering and all you may not have enough hand strength to really pull it. Take it to a gun smith, they should be able to remove the barrel bushing, and hopefully be able to apply just enough force to break the rust free.

bubbacrabb
April 25, 2012, 05:14 AM
I would put this in the gunsmith section. Someone has to know in there. I wouldn't worry, its likely to be something really simple. I hope you're doing well sir.

mcdonl
April 25, 2012, 07:35 AM
Not comparing my 1911 to a colt by any stretch of the imagination but mine used to get stuck pretty hard the first 200-300 rounds..... I would clean the snot out of it, and then rack the slide 1-2 gazillion times... now it works perfectly.

As far as freeing it up... I break everything that gets stuck. So, if you think your like me... introduce yourself to your smith.

You have gone through enough and deserve to get your gun done up right!

And... yeah... RC will set you straight. Good luck!

Balrog
April 25, 2012, 08:17 AM
can a mod move this to the gunsmithing area?

1911Tuner
April 25, 2012, 09:18 AM
Dribble a little oil in the rails from the rear and stand the pistol muzzle down for a few minutes to let gravity do its thing.

Cock the hammer. Hold the grip firmly and smack the muzzle with the palm of your hand 2-3 times while driving the frame forward with the other hand. It should break loose.

If the gun is loaded, use a length of 2X4 for the smackin'. Wrap a towel around it it makes you feel better about smackin' it with a board...and leave the hammer down...and keep your finger off the trigger.

4v50 Gary
April 25, 2012, 10:53 AM
What 9mmepiphany suggested along with the oil suggested by 1911Tuner.

BTW, a former coworker had jammed his Sig with a cleaning patch. I put it in a vise (with wood blocks to protect the finish) and placing a piece of wood against the front of the slide, whacked it with a mallet. That worked and he was a happy deputy. I wouldn't try that on a 1911 as 9mmepiphany's suggestion is much easier.

Balrog
April 25, 2012, 10:59 AM
Should I remove the recoil spring, plug, and barrel bushing before doing that, Tuner?

Sky
April 25, 2012, 11:04 AM
Should I remove the recoil spring, plug, and barrel bushing before doing that, Tuner?

Yes

WardenWolf
April 25, 2012, 11:04 AM
+1 on removing the recoil spring. First ensure the gun is unloaded by putting a dowel down the barrel. Then remove the spring and bushing. This should allow the barrel to move some and hopefully unjam it. If it still won't move, get a wood block and hammer and whack the slide rearward a couple of times. That will probably do the job. If not, it's really stuck, and it's going to take a trip to the gunsmith to get it free.

There's probably at least a 95% chance that will fix it, and if it doesn't, even the gunsmith's options are going to be highly limited. Frankly, that's probably what the gunsmith will try in the first place. Simple tools and methods are always the best, when they work.

Greg528iT
April 25, 2012, 11:54 AM
What Tuner said.. and or spraying the entire length of the slide hoping it seeps under and helps loosen things up.

I've become cautious about who I tell to give something a little whack or tap. but yes a piece of 2x4 wrapped in a towel, try and line the edge of the 2x4 up so it rests just below the barrel where the spring cap and bushing are. A standard GI spring cap will move with the slide the barrel only a little bit. An alternative is to try the one handed reload cycling action often quoted here. Find a lower height table top. place a towel on the edge.. set the slide on the edge of the table so that the barrel hangs over, the GI plug hooks the table top.. lean into the gun with your body weight. MAKE SURE YOUR FINGER IS OFF THE TRIGGER AND YOUR TOES ARE NOT LINED UP WITH THE BARREL.

1911Tuner
April 25, 2012, 01:07 PM
Should I remove the recoil spring, plug, and barrel bushing before doing that, Tuner?

No. Just smack it as it lays...straight into the muzzle.

rcmodel
April 25, 2012, 01:08 PM
There aren't too many things it can be.

1. Slide rusted solid to the frame in two months?
Nope, not even likely.

2. Broken barrel bushing collet finger wedged between barrel and slide.
Nope. Your gun should not have a collet bushing.

3. Empty case or loaded round stuck in chamber.
Nope. You said you shot it and think you cleared it several times before you put it away.

But just for the halibut, stick a cleaning rod down the barrel, mark it, and measure it.
It should measure 5 1/16" exactly. If it doesn't, there is "something" stuck in the chamber.

4. Link flipped backward and hasn't got the slide stop pin through it.
Nope, not if you were shooting it and didn't take it apart to clean it afterward.

5. Broken barrel link.
Doubtful. Even if there were the slide should move a little before binding up.

6. Barrel bulge or split barrel from a squib load right behind the barrel bushing.
Doubtful, but look down the barrel with a good light and see what you can see.

At this point, I second the suggestion to set the bottom edge of the slide just below the barrel against a solid wood bench-top and jump on it with all your weight on the grip.

That should open it if it is going to open without major surgery of some kind.

rc

9mmepiphany
April 25, 2012, 02:57 PM
At this point, I second the suggestion to set the bottom edge of the slide just below the barrel against a solid wood bench-top and jump on it with all your weight on the grip.
I feel vindicated :p Another good reason not to have a FLGR in your 1911

I know, what I don't know...and I'm reluctant to suggest things that have worked for me where I don't completely understand the ramifications.

That worked for my P7...there was built up crud in the gas chamber...but I'm sure it looked pretty funny with it pressed against the range wooden cleaning bench and me throwing my weight against it. Of course, I only weighed 135 at the time ;)

Balrog
April 25, 2012, 03:10 PM
At this point, I second the suggestion to set the bottom edge of the slide just below the barrel against a solid wood bench-top and jump on it with all your weight on the grip.

Ok, did that, problem solved! Thanks.

rcmodel
April 25, 2012, 03:16 PM
SO, what was the problem after you got it open and apart to find out??

Inquiring minds want to know??

rc

Ryanxia
April 25, 2012, 03:25 PM
Ugh I just read this whole thread now I want to see his response on what the issue was when he opened it up. :)

xXxplosive
April 25, 2012, 04:08 PM
How do these things happen................Geeeezzzz....?

Creature
April 25, 2012, 04:25 PM
SO, what was the problem after you got it open and apart to find out??

Inquiring minds want to know??

BUMP!!!


I want to know too!

ClickClickD'oh
April 25, 2012, 04:27 PM
If you run the gun too wet with oil and have dirty shooting ammo, the end result is a concrete like substance that will lock up a gun solid if you let it dry. Get a rubber mallet and give the muzzle a good whack. I bet it comes loose.

Balrog
April 25, 2012, 04:38 PM
SO, what was the problem after you got it open and apart to find out??

Inquiring minds want to know??

rc

I havent had time to disassemble yet. I will do it tonight and post my findings.

cuba
April 25, 2012, 05:38 PM
Something doesn't sound right, so after taking time to post a thread and struggling to free the slide and finally succeed, you don't immediately break it down and see whats up???

Balrog
April 25, 2012, 06:21 PM
Something doesn't sound right, so after taking time to post a thread and struggling to free the slide and finally succeed, you don't immediately break it down and see whats up???

No.... I was at work. I still am. I went home at lunch long enough to see if I could get it broke free.

xXxplosive
April 25, 2012, 07:37 PM
Good Grief.................not my Colts.

cuba
April 25, 2012, 07:45 PM
Just saying, I wouldn't have that much control over my curiosity, seeing it takes less then 30 seconds to break the gun down.

Balrog
April 25, 2012, 09:36 PM
OK, so I have now disassembled and cleaned the gun. There was a bunch of hardened crusty carbon deposit and rust on the rear of a slide rail. I scrubbed this off with a nylon brush, cleaned, lubed, and it looks like it is back to normal.

rcmodel
April 25, 2012, 09:57 PM
Well, alls well that ends well!!

Thanks for the follow-up.

rc

9mmepiphany
April 25, 2012, 10:20 PM
I'm glad you followed up for us too.

I wouldn't have though 150 rounds would do that to a 1911 that is as loose as a factory Colt. I wonder where the rust came from?

Balrog
April 25, 2012, 10:25 PM
I wouldn't have though 150 rounds would do that to a 1911 that is as loose as a factory Colt. I wonder where the rust came from?

Yea I am surprised also. I live in Georgia, but the safe is humidity controlled. I was shooting it probably in Nov or December, when the humidity outside was fairly low here. The ammo I was shooting was my reloads, and the powder was Power Pistol.

WardenWolf
April 27, 2012, 06:15 AM
My standard home "gunsmithing" tools:

1. Old punches
2. Wood blocks
3. Ball peen hammer
4. Leatherman

If I can't fix it with a combination of those, it's REALLY messed up. Note that I've so far never encountered a normal firearms problem that couldn't be solved with a suitable application of these tools, and I have never damaged anything while working on it with them. Firearms are designed to withstand and operate with a lot of force, and it follows that sometimes it requires a lot of force to disassemble or reassemble them, especially after repeated recoils or sustained spring pressure has thoroughly set parts in place.

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