Chinese made Mauser?


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stan rose
April 25, 2012, 10:27 AM
Hey guys just wondering if this looked like a Chinese made Mauser to you.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=282819349

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SlamFire1
April 25, 2012, 10:40 AM
That is a strange one. Never seen a receiver hood/extension before.

Looks like a number of "Z's" in circles. That is a common common CZ marking.

I have no idea.

WardenWolf
April 25, 2012, 10:42 AM
I don't think it's Chinese-made. Notice the serial number that's crossed out and replaced with Chinese-style characters. I'm thinking it's a European Mauser that somehow made its way to Asia. It'd take someone more knowledgeable than me to figure out where it came from and what country remarked it.

stan rose
April 25, 2012, 10:56 AM
If you look at the picture of the bolt stop lever, the flat spring has a semi-circle protruding. I have only seen this on one other Mauser, and it also had all the receiver markings scrubbed off. I have looked at thousands of pictures of Mausers and never seen it on any but these two.

303tom
April 25, 2012, 11:06 AM
Looks like a cut-up & scrubbed old Turk to me.................

fpgt72
April 25, 2012, 11:45 AM
You have to remmber that the chinese got buckets of stuff right after the war....from the western powers as well as the communist.

I am thinking along the lines of 303tom on this one.

dirtyjim
April 25, 2012, 12:01 PM
The bolt is Chinese bit the receiver isn't. Chinese receivers will have the starburst proof on both sides of the front ring

stan rose
April 25, 2012, 12:05 PM
dirtyjim,
If the receiver is not Chinese, what makes the bolt Chinese, it has the same Z in circle on the handle that people say is CZ. I am not arguing your observation just trying to learn.
Stan

Vaarok
April 25, 2012, 03:28 PM
Bolt is Czech, reciever is hard to tell exactly for lack of clear proofs, but the circle-Z suggests it passed through the Czechs at one point. Barreled action is a Kar98AZ or Wz-29, what with the sight protector wings and muzzle-cap retainer on the front sight. I believe the dot rivet on the bolt-release lever is Polish, but I believe it's found in WW1 German rifles too.

I would presume it's an interwar Polish export with a scrubbed reciever, sold to China in the thirties through CZ. Lots of other Wz-98 and 29s went to Spain at the same time.

And the hooded receiver is just the handguard retaining lip.

Definitely not Chinese made.

stan rose
April 25, 2012, 05:26 PM
Thanks for all the responses guys. Vaarox, you are right about the dimple on the bolt stop. I never looked at pictures of Polish Mausers before, I just googled them and they all have that dimple. Thank you for solving that small mystery for me.

dirtyjim
April 25, 2012, 10:13 PM
On the screen on my phone it looked like a Chinese starburst proof on the bolt instead of the Czech proof.

Onmilo
April 26, 2012, 12:11 AM
It is a cobbled together & poorly made sporter worth about the $75 the bidding started at.

303tom
April 26, 2012, 12:37 AM
That is not a Chinese Starburst..............all the symbols I see are Arabic.

captain_chau
April 26, 2012, 01:02 AM
The Nationalist Chinese had 2 Mauser service rifles during WWII: the chiang kai shek which was basically a lighter copy of the gewehr 98, they also imported a large number Karabiner 98 kruz from germany ... they also had the hanyang 88 which was a copy of the gewehr 1888, I should know... my grandfather commanded a company in the 88th infantry division during the battle of shanghai =P, in fact alot of their small arms were german based...

Edarnold
April 26, 2012, 02:18 PM
The other tips that this is Wz29 are the combination of rear sling swivel and the inletting for the sling bar shown in photos 26 & 27, also the fact that the barrel is not stepped but tapered. Radom also copied the distinctive front sight from the Kar98b of WW1.

Pity about this guns fate at the hands of the Chinese. Wz29s are uncommon, because after over-running Poland the Germans sent large numbers of the captured rifles to Steyr, where they were reworked to Kar98k configuration. These carry the 'bnz' code. I have heard that after the war, the remaining Wz29s were not sold off, due to some legislation by the Polish Parliament.

Vaarok
April 27, 2012, 01:38 PM
Wz-29s are not that uncommon, many thousands went to Spain in the thirties, and got imported to the US in the sixties by Interarmco. Honestly, the chinese one is somewhat more interesting in terms of where it's gone, albeit the far poorer condition cancels that out. Still, a relatively inexpensive new stockset could set that right- the metal seems sound.

The rare Wz-29s are the eagle-crested domestic-use examples, and by extension the Nazi captured/produced rifles.

Scrubbed exports, not so rare, though scarcer than some designs.

stan rose
April 27, 2012, 09:52 PM
I thank all who replied. It is amazing how much you can learn from a few posts, and it reinforces how much still needs to be learned. Thanks again.

Edarnold
April 29, 2012, 07:22 PM
Wz-29s are not that uncommon, many thousands went to Spain in the thirties, and got imported to the US in the sixties by Interarmco. Honestly, the chinese one is somewhat more interesting in terms of where it's gone, albeit the far poorer condition cancels that out. Still, a relatively inexpensive new stockset could set that right- the metal seems sound.

The rare Wz-29s are the eagle-crested domestic-use examples, and by extension the Nazi captured/produced rifles.

Scrubbed exports, not so rare, though scarcer than some designs.
Got back Saturday from the local CADA gunshow, where one individual had two Wz29's for sale. The more beat up gun had the Polish crest and sling, for $900. The scrubbed Spanish export gun was much nicer looking, probably arsenal refinished, and was priced at $300.
So, they are out there, if you are willing to pay a premium for the correct markings.

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