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stuffisgood
April 25, 2012, 01:22 PM
I inherited one of these rifles (can't find the magazine...). I tried to do a little research on it, but haven't come across much. Can anyone give me an idea on quality, value, etc? Thanks


http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u74/samhouseman01/DSC01244.jpg

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u74/samhouseman01/DSC01246.jpg

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Dr.Rob
April 25, 2012, 01:31 PM
These were only made in a short run of 300 or so coupled with a surplus Portugese parts kit. Fairly rare and one source states the lower is welded up from two halves. Not sure if that's true or not.

$2000 or so

One sold here http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=303322 for more than that.

Original Armalite waffle pattern magazines aren't impossible to find but I'd try any AR-10 mag to see if it worked. http://www.gunauction.com/search/displayitem.cfm?itemnum=9004383

Read this: Suggests Magpul mags will work. http://762ar.com/news/armalite-ar-10a-compatable-with-magpul-lr20-pmags/

Try contacting Armalite directly: http://www.armalite.com/Categories.aspx?Category=c70251ef-dba9-4037-a759-b2d36557d12d

-v-
April 25, 2012, 07:05 PM
On a unrelated note, that is the best looking AR-10 that I have seen.

dprice3844444
April 27, 2012, 04:32 PM
rookert@armalite.com

http://www.armalite.com/images/Library/History.pdf

from rooker

I don’t recognize that AR-10 pictured. It looks to be quite old and I’m assuming it would use the original waffle mags. I don’t recognize the manufacturer so I don’t know if this was one of the original Eugene Stoner rifle or a prototype that was made. I wish I had more info for you.



Here’s some ArmaLite History in the link below. I couldn’t find any reference to H & H Enterprises.



http://www.armalite.com/images/Library/History.pdf

dprice3844444
April 27, 2012, 05:07 PM
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/archive/index.php/t-374489.html history

navajo
April 27, 2012, 05:10 PM
Don't remember HH. Do remember an outfit named Paragon that mated original AR 10 uppers with their lowers. Sold for about 800 dollars in '79.

DoubleTapDrew
April 27, 2012, 05:42 PM
There appears to be some info here:
http://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=3&f=62&t=189274

stuffisgood
April 28, 2012, 08:45 AM
Thanks for all of the links guys! That's mostly what I had found with a little extra, but it was enough to confirm my suspicions that this rifle falls more into a collecting catagory than a using catagory.

HHollow
April 28, 2012, 01:35 PM
Shoot the rifle. It is indestructible except for the furniture. The bolt is tough and I have never heard of one failing. (earlier Sudanese AR10's had smaller weaker bolt lugs).

You have a Portuguese contract AR10 with replacement wooden furniture. Below is a photo of one with the original furniture [not mine]. The original forearm was a four-piece outfit consisting of a pair of metal heat shields and two bakelite (fiber filled phenolic) handguard halves. The pistolgrip is a hard fiber filled composite like the handguard. The original buttstock was polycarbonate, which was guaranteed to crack when shooting grenades. (note the cracked stock on the rifle below). These rifles were made from 1960-1961 and have serial numbers ranging from 6000-8400 or so, although there are a few Portos below 5000. Virtually all rifles serialled between 5000 and 6000 are missing, and it is widely believed that they were acquired by the CIA and are moldering in some government warehouse.

Many people are convinced their old AR10's had factory wood furniture. Only a handfull of prototype rifles had wooden handguards. Essentially no production rifle wears wood. Some wooden buttstocks may have been made for the Portuguese military and they were known to have made aluminum furniture. Most of the wood furniture was made by a Canadian (Wilke) who bought and imported hundreds of AR10.s

http://www.sturmgewehr.com/bhinton/Armalite_AR10/AR10_PortSpecialtyArmsRight.jpg

dprice3844444
April 28, 2012, 07:41 PM
he means pedro o bello in west palm beach florida

Pedro O. Bello Armamentos, Inc wellington fla

kimberkid
April 28, 2012, 08:48 PM
The DPMS LR-308 mag is the same as the Stoner waffle mags ... and I believe that Magpul also makes a 308 in the same patern ... I've got 8 that I kept from a Stoner I sold several years ago

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v40/kimberkid/Toys/P3010254.jpg

HHollow
April 28, 2012, 10:04 PM
DPMS mags will need some slight modification before working. The original waffles do not have the bump around the hole that catched the mag release. Some folks have gotten the DPMS mags to work after removing the bump.

MistWolf
April 28, 2012, 11:09 PM
PMags and mags from Knight's Armament are supposed to be the same as the original AR10 mags. DPMS mags and the Remington mags use the same pattern as PMag & Knight's.

You've got a good bit of firearm's history there. Get a mag or two and go shoot it

7mmsavage
April 28, 2012, 11:39 PM
Seriously fine rifle you have there. Kind of ironic that it was made in California, and I imagine that in it's current configuration, wouldn't even be leagal to own there now.

dprice3844444
April 28, 2012, 11:50 PM
prob grandfathered

kimberkid
April 29, 2012, 06:50 AM
prob grandfathered
legal IF it's registered ... :(

ApacheCoTodd
May 14, 2012, 10:53 PM
I finally found my AR10'er book and even with all the info in it, there is only one reference to the H&H receiver that I can find. It is an ad for the receiver sold in June of 1984 in order to complete Portuguese kits. Dan's sales was selling the kits and the lowers were in a mated ad discounted to $275.00 from $325.00.

It is noted quite clearly the H&H would not ship without a signed copy of an FFL.

So, being semi auto only and having an FFL behind it, barring municipal, county or state assault type weapons bans/registrations - I'd say you're A-OK with an at least $2,000 rifle. Me, were I to part with my Portie - it'd be beyond the $3,000 I've already turned down.

TexasPatriot.308
May 14, 2012, 11:03 PM
I love AR10s, that would be a must have for a serious collector, unfortunatley I aint got the cash to be serious.

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