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BoltActionPrepper
April 25, 2012, 08:30 PM
Hello everyone,i just joined THR today and this is my first post.I have a question regarding wooden rifle stocks.Most,if not all,military bolt action rifles with wooden stocks have a cross-bolt in them.It is my understanding that this is to reinforce the recoil lug area to keep the stocking from splitting/being damaged.So if this is considered a requirement on military rifles,why doesn't bolt action sporting arms with wooden stocks have a cross-bolt?Wouldn't it be just as necessary to preserve the integrity of a sporting stock?:confused:

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rcmodel
April 25, 2012, 08:36 PM
Most sporting stocks are not expected to have to endure living weeks or months in a foxhole full of water.
Or shooting rifle grenades off of them with the butt stuck in the ground to absorb the horrendous recoil.
Or bayonet fighting.
Or used as a club in hand to hand combat.

Cross-bolts on sporting rifles are generally used in very hard kicking African calibers like .416 or .458 to keep the magazine box from splitting the stock apart.

Not really necessary in lighter calibers.

And todays near perfect glass bedding in wood stocks, and synthetic stocks have pretty much negated the need for them at all.

rc

BoltActionPrepper
April 25, 2012, 08:51 PM
that makes sense i suppose,but i plan on using my new cz550 american in 30/06 really hard....is there any way that i can have a cross-bolt installed because like i said,i'm going to shoot this rifle ALOT.

rcmodel
April 25, 2012, 08:55 PM
Sure, any decent gunsmith can do it.

Or, you could have him inlet the back of the recoil shoulder in the stock and glass bed a hidden steel rod in it. Thats probably better & stronger then a through-bolt.

rc

snakeman
April 25, 2012, 09:04 PM
I'm with rc.

BoltActionPrepper
April 25, 2012, 09:06 PM
thanks for the info rcmodel.......if i have a cross-bolt installed can i still have the action glass-bedded?

rcmodel
April 25, 2012, 09:09 PM
Yes.

But I'd be surprised if the CZ-550 isn't glassed behind the recoil lug already.

BoltActionPrepper
April 25, 2012, 09:12 PM
i wont be picking the rifle up from my dealer untill later this week.....i'd like to hurry up and know myself :)

snakeman
April 25, 2012, 09:33 PM
If you're that worried about it and are expecting it to be a utilitarian rifle, you could look into an aftermarket synthetic stock.

BoltActionPrepper
April 25, 2012, 09:53 PM
that would be alot eaiser snakeman,but i'm a wood-stock man myself....i'd rather just go out of my way to improve the wooden stock....i'm also thinking about having the hideous monte-carlo cheek piece removed and a steel grip cap installed,and thats impossible with a synthetic stock (i think anyway)...i'll end up putting alot of money in this rifle but the end result will be awesome...my one good gun.

CraigC
April 26, 2012, 09:01 AM
I would suggest heeding RC's advice and don't worry about it. There are better things to spend your money on. If you were building a custom .375 or .416, it would be different.

armoredman
April 26, 2012, 09:52 AM
BAP, call 1-800-955-4486 and ask about the 550s stock. Also, aftermarket stocks are out there - the 550 is a very popular model.

ball3006
April 26, 2012, 10:15 AM
The only way you are going to damage your stock is by shooting alot of overpressure loads or abuse. You will wear the bore out before you wear the stock out. The most likely reason people have had their stock crack is because they let the action screws become loose. I have been shooting rifles with no crossbolt for over 50 years with zero problems with the stock.....chris3

dubya450
April 26, 2012, 11:24 AM
Usually larger caliber hunting rifles have them. My model 70 supergrade in 300 win mag has one and I know the Alaskan and African m70's have two cross bolts to handle more powerful cartridges like the 375hh 458 win mag ect. Even my sako 85 classic has two cross bolts and thats chambered for a relatively weak cartridge, 25-06.

rcmodel
April 26, 2012, 12:04 PM
i'm also thinking about having the hideous monte-carlo cheek piece removed
Has it occurred to you that Monti-Carlo comb was put there for a reason?

If you scope the rifle, it needs to stay right where it's at for cheek support and eye alignment the same each shoot.

rc

jmr40
April 26, 2012, 06:46 PM
Has it occurred to you that Monti-Carlo comb was put there for a reason?

If you scope the rifle, it needs to stay right where it's at for cheek support and eye alignment the same each shoot.



True enough, but there are other ways to get cheek support and eye alignment without a monte-carlo cheekpiece.

BCRider
April 26, 2012, 08:53 PM
That would be still a one piece option?

Seems like folks forget that the cheek piece or comb of the stock has to go hand in hand with the sighting method. Rifles intended to run scopes need a very high cheek piece or comb to make up for the rise of the rings. To the point, in fact, where some of the thumbhold stocks are actually a good idea.

I could see shaving down the Monte Carlo cheek piece to suit the owner's face and eye placement so the rifle sort of locks into position naturally. But to simply remove it entirely because it offends the senses without actually seeing if it works with the intended sighting method seems a little too much like throwing the baby out with the bath water.

Bushpilot
April 26, 2012, 11:12 PM
Glass bed it and forget it. Anything else (besides a fiberglass or laminate stock which you don't want) is really unnecessary. After it's properly bedded it's not going anywhere and it might shoot better.

CraigC
April 27, 2012, 08:41 AM
I'm curious what CZ model has a Monte Carlo cheekpiece??? Seems to me the American models have a straight comb and the Euro models have the Bavarian style buttstock.

BoltActionPrepper
April 27, 2012, 07:36 PM
most all wood stock cz's have the monte carlo cheek piece as far as i know....except some of the 527's......i picked the rifle up yesterday and it is a well built machine let me tell you!...i'm going to have iron sights installed,so thats one reason i want the monte carlo cheek piece removed (that and i think its just plain ugly)...when i use a scope i'll just attach a removable leather cheek piece that laces to the stock for proper eye alignment with my leupold vx-2.....i still think i'm going to see about getting a cross bolt installed.because,if anything,it'll give me a warm and fuzzy....i'm thinking about using brownells steel-bed for traditional bedding....i'll post more as the project progresses....btw,thanks for all the info guys,this is a great forum.

rcmodel
April 27, 2012, 07:41 PM
most all wood stock cz's have the monte carlo cheek piece as far as i knowGo here and find one then.
http://www.cz-usa.com/products/view/cz-550-american/

Are you sure you bought a CZ-550, but especially a CZ-550 American?

rc

Ash
April 27, 2012, 07:47 PM
By the way, most rifles do in fact have a recoil lug, and it is nice and broad such as on the Remington 700 or Savage 110. The issue with military rifles, is that their lugs are very narrow and so easily split the stock. Some rifles do in fact have a recoil bolt, but many don't because the lug is so wide, the chances of breaking the stock are minimal.

BoltActionPrepper
April 27, 2012, 08:11 PM
@ rcmodel....i'm sure it's a 550!....i might be wrong in calling it a monte-carlo cheek piece though.....google image the 550 and you'll see that the left side of the stock does indeed have a large,protruding cheek piece....maybe it isn't of the monte carlo style,thats just what i always heard 'em called :)

rcmodel
April 27, 2012, 08:20 PM
Monte Carlo style cheekpeice.
http://rifle-stocks.com/montecarlo.htm

Monte Carlo roll-over style:
http://rifle-stocks.com/rollover.htm

Classic style cheekpeice.
http://rifle-stocks.com/sierra_classic.htm

Modern Classic:
http://rifle-stocks.com/modernclassic.htm

Regardless, if you want to ruin a good stock on a fairly high-dollar rifle whittle away.
You paid for it, so you can whittle if you want too I guess.

Meanwhile, I think I will go out in the driveway and grind that goofy tailgate flip-up wing thing off my new Dodge Hemi Sport pickup.
Come to think of it, those hood scoops might have to go to!

rc

BoltActionPrepper
April 27, 2012, 08:37 PM
thanks for leaving me a little more informed than i was when i arrived rcmodel......i get the feeling that the idea of me removing the "classic style" cheek piece from the stock upsets you!

rice
April 30, 2012, 04:34 PM
Why didn't you just buy a medium lux? They come with sights and have the hogback style stock you seem to prefer. Personally I prefer sights also and applaud your desire to install them.

BoltActionPrepper
May 17, 2012, 03:47 PM
thanks rice.....i looked at the med lux and i did like it, but it is only chambered in 7mm mag right now and i just had to have a 30/06....i too believe all guns should have a decent set of iron sights installed,even if you dont use 'em! i had dual cross-bolts installed,had it both pillar and glass bedded,the barrel was already floating.i ordered factory iron sights from cz and i'm waiting on them still...i also had a steel grip cap installed as well as an ebony forend tip. i decided to leave the cheek piece alone as it grew on me after shooting it some (much to rcmodels relief i bet!) and once i get the irons on her i'll be satisifed.

pat701
May 30, 2012, 04:18 PM
I love how they look.

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