What the Heck is with "Zombie Max" Ammo


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HoosierQ
April 29, 2012, 10:16 AM
I was looking at this stuff and Hornady is so busy hyping the Zombie thing they don't say much about the ammo. They say "for use on the undead only" and then put in "caution: this is LIVE ammo". What gives with this stuff? I mean I get it is a marketing ploy but what is it?

It looks like polymer-tipped either varmint of SD ammo. They even have it in 30-30 which looks for all the world like rebranded Lever Evolution or whatever.

I mean did they just take a variety of red polymer tipped ammo, as is, and print up a fancy green and red box for it? It's kinda kooky unless it is good ammo I suppose. It comes in handgun and rifle ammo. Here I am interested in the .223 context.

Marketing is a funny animal.

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LKB3rd
April 29, 2012, 10:27 AM
I mean did they just take a variety of red polymer tipped ammo, as is, and print up a fancy green and red box for it?

I don't think I am going out on a limb when my guess is "Yes".

newbuckeye
April 29, 2012, 10:31 AM
Thats exactly what it is....Same as the red tipped stuff, only the green tip is for "zombies" only....

X-Rap
April 29, 2012, 10:33 AM
When "IT" happens you'll wish you had some

Yo Mama
April 29, 2012, 10:35 AM
And why is green always for zombies?

Kabar is doing the same thing in their new knives. :banghead:

crracer_712
April 29, 2012, 10:40 AM
It's green, like yo mama!

Well, Obviously they use green because they know more about this stuff than you or I do.

I've got a couple boxes of it in everything caliber I own, just as a novelty. Got some more that I shoot in 9mm onna counta Cabela's sells the 9mm for 17 bucks which is cheaper than I can find the Hornady CD ammo. Although, I have yet to find soem 30-30 in stock...

And yes, I have my Ka-Bar knife and my Ruger LCP-Z (Zombie Slayer!!)

mberoose
April 29, 2012, 10:43 AM
Just a cute marketing gimmick. Same thing as Critical Defense and V-Max if I remember correctly, just with a green tip.

valnar
April 29, 2012, 11:09 AM
The marketing of the stuff happened around Halloween last year. There are several threads on it.

The general consensus was "decent marketing idea". I bought some myself and it still gives me a smile when I see it.

You have to admit, its somewhat more politically correct than saying "for Indians only".

dubya450
April 29, 2012, 11:44 AM
It'd be cool if the made some 5.7x28 for my Five-seveN pistol.

ClickClickD'oh
April 29, 2012, 11:58 AM
I'd buy several boxes of it in 5.7 just for kicks... to go along with the boxes in .45 I've already got.

..but now that I look.. they do have the .224 40gr Z-max available in bullets for loading... Hmmm..

headoftheholler
April 29, 2012, 12:02 PM
The whole "Zombie" thing is so overplayed, overmarketed, and just dumb.

bigfatdave
April 29, 2012, 01:13 PM
The whole "Zombie" thing is so overplayed, overmarketed, and just dumb. Since I bought ZombieMax ammo there has not been a single zombie sighting in my area.
Obviously, the stuff works.

jmorris
April 29, 2012, 01:47 PM
Let your kids play all of those video games and one day they get older (note I didn't say "grow up") and they buy into stupid stuff like that.

ClickClickD'oh
April 29, 2012, 01:56 PM
Let your kids play all of those video games and one day they get older (note I didn't say "grow up") and they buy into stupid stuff like that.

So wait.. Buying ammunition that is identical in composition and performance to a well accepted brand of self defense ammunition is buying into stupid stuff? Even though in some cases is costs less than the stuff without the green dye in the polymer tip?

Some people need to lighten up.

The stuff is good for a chuckle.

Now, if ya'll 'scuse me. I got some video games to get back to.

armoredman
April 29, 2012, 03:30 PM
I bought two boxes of it in different calibers for the heck of it. Good ammo from what I'm told, far too expensive for what you get unless you realize you're buying the giggle factor.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b13/armoredman/Areyoukidding.jpg

gatorjames85
April 29, 2012, 03:34 PM
Zombie themed firearm obsession + "zombie walks" + a mentally ill person = something very bad happening. I think this zombie craze could end badly for the firearms community.

Kymasabe
April 29, 2012, 04:13 PM
God forbid Hornady had some fun marketting their v-max varmint round as something as dangerous and unholy as zombie ammo. I mean, there go our civil liberties, right out the window, and it's all Hornady's fault.

Seriously. Get the stick out of your @ss and lighten up. If this is all you have to complain about, consider yourself lucky and go buy a lottery ticket.

Brockak47
April 29, 2012, 04:31 PM
@ post #13

totally disagree with your whole statement. I'm not into the whole zombie thing myself since it's expensive, but what's wrong with a little fun?
Back in the day, they were into aliens I believe...

sorry, don't know how to quote

mgkdrgn
April 29, 2012, 04:32 PM
First choice of Mall Ninja's everywhere!

ifit
April 29, 2012, 04:37 PM
the only ones buying this "zombie" crap, are zombies themselves

Haxby
April 29, 2012, 05:04 PM
Need some zombie ammo in 38 Special and 357 Magnum.

But, really, the whole zombie thing has been done to death.

dubya450
April 29, 2012, 05:22 PM
Some of you guys need to lighten up a bit. I think its a kinda cool idea and gives alot of people a quick chuckle in such a serious sport. Don't like it you say? Don't buy it and let the zombies get ya!

The sport of zombie hunting that is :D

B!ngo
April 29, 2012, 08:35 PM
Totally agree. Kudos to them for going for some broader appeal and having some fun with it. Their marketing department should get an award. Just not sure who would give it out. If someone figures out how to screw up with these things, we should help pay Hornady's legal fees.
OTOH, it could be a secret anti-superhero plot. First, corner the market with red-kryptonite-tipped bullets, and now green-kryptonite? Watch out Superman, the Zombie thing is just a cover.
B

God forbid Hornady had some fun marketting their v-max varmint round as something as dangerous and unholy as zombie ammo. I mean, there go our civil liberties, right out the window, and it's all Hornady's fault.

Seriously. Get the stick out of your @ss and lighten up. If this is all you have to complain about, consider yourself lucky and go buy a lottery ticket.

ball3006
April 29, 2012, 09:13 PM
What's wrong with a little fun? Some guys need to step away from the computer and get a life.......My guns love the stuff. However, no zombies around here to try it out on.....chris3

HoosierQ
April 29, 2012, 09:17 PM
Well I just want to know what the heck it is! There are no specs that I have seen...not even grains I don't think.

Fishbed77
April 29, 2012, 09:47 PM
well, obviously they use green because they know more about this stuff than you or i do.


niceeeeee.... :D

303 hunter
April 29, 2012, 10:07 PM
If this ammo is actually used for self defense or "social" purposes,what will the political factors be? I have wondered about this since the first time I saw it advertised. Thoughts? Opinions?

gunfighter48
April 29, 2012, 10:27 PM
What's wrong with a little fun? Some guys need to step away from the computer and get a life.......My guns love the stuff. However, no zombies around here to try it out on.....chris3

See, it works great doesn't it!!!!!!!!!!!! Keeps them evil zombies away!!:D

dubya450
April 29, 2012, 10:53 PM
If you want to know the specs of say the 9mm load then all you gotta do is look up the specs of the 9mm hornady critical defense load. My buddy has the 9 critical defense and the 9 ZombieMax and visually the only difference is CD has a red polymer insert while the ZM has a green polymer insert and the CD brass is nickel plated (I think) while the ZM is plain brass which is probably why its 3-4 bucks cheaper. And every box of ZombieMax has the bullet grains printed on it.

451 Detonics
April 30, 2012, 06:23 AM
All it is is Hornaday V-Max with green instead of red polymer tips in rifle and as other have stated same as the Critical Defense in handgun. Same bullet weights, velocities, etc. I have found the 9mm as low as $13.29 a box.

If it somehow offends you then don't buy it, I found it to be humorous and I do own a couple boxes.

valnar
April 30, 2012, 06:25 AM
If I could buy my wife a sense of humor, I'd put a display case up with an AK47 and several boxes of it for show, with a "break glass in case of zombie" sign. ;)

HoosierQ
April 30, 2012, 07:24 AM
All it is is Hornaday V-Max with green instead of red polymer tips in rifle and as other have stated same as the Critical Defense in handgun. Same bullet weights, velocities, etc. I have found the 9mm as low as $13.29 a box.

If it somehow offends you then don't buy it, I found it to be humorous and I do own a couple boxes.

Sorry, I have not been able to make myself clear. Sounds like it is VMAX and Critical Defense (bullets anyway). Heck yeah I'll buy it if it is good ammo at a good price. It seems quite available to. I just wanted to know what it was. I am by no means above participating in somebody's marketing program if there's something in it for me.

Now we need a line of "Skinwalker Defense" ammo...now there's something we really need (or folks in the four corners region sure do anyway).

OTOH

If this ammo is actually used for self defense or "social" purposes,what will the political factors be? I have wondered about this since the first time I saw it advertised. Thoughts? Opinions?

Some deranged numbskull is going to use this stuff to shoot somebody in a dramatic way (e.g. Tuscon) and the media with have a field day. They'll do an "investigative report", heaven knows they'll have no trouble coming up with zombie threads even here at The High Road (I shudder to think what it must be like at less moderated places) and guess what...ammo gets some kind of regulations...and we're all shooting FMJ or cast lead. While I personally don't have a problem with this stuff...my own sensibilities are at worst sort of bemused...all this Zombie business achieves just what the media would like to do...paint gun owners as a bunch of overgrown kids with the sense of same.

jrdolall
April 30, 2012, 08:07 AM
Don't worry, someone will be filing a lawsuit soon because their son shot someone with the zombie ammo thinking it was like the ammo used in a video game. You know the ammo used in video games right? You find it laying around and when you shoot people, or get shot yourself, you come back to life, "Respawn" pretty quickly.
It is a successful marketing ploy. They get to take advantage of all the TV shows and games about zombies without paying any royalties to said zombies. Everything I have seen has had a couple of bucks upcharge so I will just hold off and hope my normal ammo will handle the zombies when they come. I also have not been practicing using the zombie targets so I am hoping I will be accurate shooting at zombies. If not then I will have made a critical mistake and will pay by having my brains eaten.

wingman
April 30, 2012, 08:17 AM
I've got a couple boxes of it in everything caliber I own, just as a novelty.

There you go, the reason it's on the market somewhat like the pet rock.:D

Sorry can't/won't buy ammo with a Zombie picture, now if it cost less then we could talk.;)

quote(...paint gun owners as a bunch of overgrown kids with the sense of same.)quote

Agree:

bigfatdave
April 30, 2012, 08:27 AM
Well I just want to know what the heck it is! There are no specs that I have seen...not even grains I don't think. yeah, I don't know where you could possibly get specs on the ZombieMax ammo ... unless you looked on the box!

Clearly written on the box flap:
45AUTO
185 GR Z-MAX
#90902
Muzzle / 50yds/ 100yds
1000fps/ 936 / 883

ClickClickD'oh
April 30, 2012, 09:04 AM
Some deranged numbskull is going to use this stuff to shoot somebody in a dramatic way (e.g. Tuscon) and the media with have a field day.

I would love nothing more than to see the media try to whip up a firestorm around Zombiemax ammo, zombie targets and zombie themed shooting competitions.

The nationwide facepalm at the idiocy of any media that ran that would be epic.

HoosierQ
April 30, 2012, 10:07 AM
BigFatDave

Well I should have said specs on the Internet. What? No 230gr for Zombies.

I'd want 230 grains for Skinwalkers...that's for sure!

crracer_712
April 30, 2012, 10:22 AM
Zombie themed firearm obsession + "zombie walks" + a mentally ill person = something very bad happening. I think this zombie craze could end badly for the firearms community.


Firearm obsession + a mentally ill person = something very bad happening.... Gee, you think maybe that's why that's one of the questions on the 4473 form?? The form doesn't say anything about Zombies.

Now we need a line of "Skinwalker Defense" ammo...now there's something we really need (or folks in the four corners region sure do anyway).

You know, I've noticed you have this thing for 'skinwalker' lately. I can understand you're kinda sore at Hornady for picking Zombies over skinwalkers to market the ammo. But to be honest with you, Until I read a post about this book you read about skinwalkers, I ain't never hert a no skinwalker before!

However, after a weekend of watching 'I am Legend' and 'Resident Evil; Extinction', I'm juat glad I have a few boxes of Z-Max laying around.

And no, to help educate you on Zombies, you don't need big boolits, after all Ruger markets the LCP-Z, Zombie Slayer!

Sheepdog1968
April 30, 2012, 11:02 AM
They made a nice Christmas stocking stuffer and brought a few laughs. I wanted one box just to collect. Good idea by Hornady. In general I hate zombie stuff. It is the new tactical as that advertising marketing term is nearing the end of its trendiness.

X-Rap
April 30, 2012, 11:10 AM
If you want skinwalker or shape shifter ammo you need to have it blessed by a proper medicine man or it won't work.

HoosierQ
April 30, 2012, 04:06 PM
And you have to mix a little corn pollen in with the powder as a filler!

Cosmoline
April 30, 2012, 04:12 PM
I'm really not seeing any difference between this and "cowboy" CAS marketed ammunition. Do people obsess about someone buying cowboy ammo and going on a rampage at the reservation? Besides which there aren't actually any zombies to go shoot. So in a way this is a lot less threatening than cowboy ammunition.

The fact is, most of our shooting *IS* for simple fun. So playing zombie action shooting games or whatnot is part of that. That fun aspect is actually one of our greatest assets, since it attracts new people to the shooting sports in a way that dour old sourpusses do not. DOS's only want other DOS's out there. That means old, typically white men doing old white men things. Shooting, yes, but only within parameters acceptable to that group. So CAS is OK, but zombie action shooting is a menace. Simply because DOS's don't play video games and didn't grow up watching Romero's classics.

Of all horror genres, zombie films are by far the most connected to firearms. Just look at the array of fine iron in "Dawn of the Dead," for example. Classic Colt sporters and Savage 99's. They're also notable for having *real* firearms that behave within realistic parameters. Compare the DotD remake of 2004 with the "Underworld" vamp vs. werewolf feature that came out at about the same time. Or "Blade" from a few years earlier. The DotD remake, like the original, features very realistic and real-life firearms. The vamp and wolfen flicks have all sorts of nonsense like bullets that shoot phosphorous blobs and such. So it's natural for gun nuts to gravitate towards the zombie films. Plus we aren't emo and don't wear black.

Worrying about looking good to the MSM has NEVER been an effective strategy for us. In fact it leads directly to "no honest man needs more than 10 rounds" appeals to Congress and similar efforts to placate our foes by limiting our own sphere of influence. We will never look good to those people. And they can ALWAYS find something to complain about and make a stink over. And, in Eric Holder's own words, they want us to "cower outside" of the mainstream. ZMax ammo, however silly, is embracing the mainstream not cowering outside of it. It's bold and unapologetic.


Anyway the zombie craze has jumped the shark now, and will be petering out. World War Z will probably be the tombstone on it. The next big thing? Cthulhu. You heard it here first, so be prepared for "what gun for eldrich horror" threads.

JustinJ
April 30, 2012, 04:17 PM
I originally had no problem with it but on second thought i have reservations about marketing live ammo like its a toy. Hopefully nobody would be stupid enough to think its not real but it certainly may cause people to take more laxed attitudes with their firearms.

Husker1911
April 30, 2012, 06:36 PM
Hey, one has to be 18 years of age to purchase zombie rifle ammo and 21 to purchase zombie handgun ammo. If one can't distinguish toys from real, live, for real ammo then what are we doing even discussing it?

Folks, if you don't have a sense of humor, don't buy it.

MrDig
April 30, 2012, 07:16 PM
I originally had no problem with it but on second thought i have reservations about marketing live ammo like its a toy. Hopefully nobody would be stupid enough to think its not real but it certainly may cause people to take more laxed attitudes with their firearms.

I am certain the the Big Red Letters on the box
"WARNING: THIS IS LIVE AMMUNITION. THIS IS NOT A TOY"
Is enough to convince people that the ammunition is not a toy.
Would it be funnier if it was called "Sheeple Max" not really but it would certainly raise more comments from the anti gun crowd. Then again just being a person who chooses to exercises second amendment rights raises comments so to hell with it.
I'm really sorry you don't approve of Zombie Max ammo folks but does a person buying it in any way affect you? Hypothetical arguments aside how does it harm you? Getting your shorts in a knot about a hypothetical situations is futile and as long as it doesn't put my hand to your nose how does it affect you?
My right to wave my arms about ends where another persons nose begins.

bigfatdave
April 30, 2012, 09:03 PM
Well I should have said specs on the Internet. What? No 230gr for Zombies.I don't know - I bought it for a gag, I didn't care about the exact load so long as it was something basically in the "normal" range for .45acp that would run in my gun.
I got the Mrs a box of .223 (or was it marked 5.56mm? - Whatever) and a box of .380acp, and I think there might be a box of 9x19mm around somewhere. I'll buy one box if I come across it in other calibers I stock at a reasonable price. So; Makarov, Tokarev, 30-30, .32acp, .22s/l/lr, .22wmr, 7.62x39, 20gauge, and whatever I'm forgetting are up for one box of Z-Max, as a gag. I'd buy a bulk pack or a brick of .22lr, they could just induce the copper wash to corrode to that green copper color like the Statue of Liberty.



Tell you what. If you must have 230g Z-Max ammo:
You go to my range and dig the green squishy balls out of the dirt (I ran them through a bleeding zombie target a friend of mine got - they're double zombie ready now!) - there should be 20 in there, low left in the chewed-up portion of the berm.
After you dig them out, you can pry the red squishy ball out of your 230g Critical Defense/Critical Duty rounds, replace it with green, and have 230g zombie ammunition.

gatorjames85
April 30, 2012, 10:27 PM
Gee, you think maybe that's why that's one of the questions on the 4473 form??

Form 4473 only asks if you have been adjudicated mentally defective or involuntarily committed. Diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia? You can still buy a gun. Voluntarily committed yourself to a mental institution because voices were telling you to kill? You can still answer no on Form 4473. I'm not advocating that the laws be made more stringent, just refuting the idea that mentall illness is a disqualifying condition.

Another problem with this zombie craze is that the term is used by some in the survivalist community as a euphemism for the unprepared masses in the wake of a cataclysmic event. Wouldn't it make us all look great if the media figured that one out?

Adam123
April 30, 2012, 10:57 PM
Another problem with this zombie craze is that the term is used by some in the survivalist community as a euphemism for the unprepared masses in the wake of a cataclysmic event. Wouldn't it make us all look great if the media figured that one out?

Agreed.

Ky Larry
April 30, 2012, 11:08 PM
I bought a few boxes of Z-Max bullets to put in my Obamanation survival kit. I loaded a few of the 58gr .243"s. Two weeks ago at the range, I shot a crow at 175 yrds. He didn't reanimate.

red-demon652
May 1, 2012, 12:07 AM
YOU know just like its been said many times its marketing and for a chucle. I don't belive hornady ever ment to exploit ppl's ignorance as to makeing you belive the whole apocalypse thing is GOING TO happen and that only zmax ammo would KILL the ZOMBIES!!!!!!!!!!

1858remington
May 1, 2012, 01:04 AM
They are like black talons... a marketing gimmick.
Once the lawsuits from the Zombies go to trial they will be pulled off the shelf.

BSA1
May 1, 2012, 08:07 AM
Some of the comments on this thread show how successful the media and anti-gun libs are at putting gun owners on the defensive for anything related to owning guns and ammunition.

How sad.

Gun ownership and ammunition now must be determined on how the anti-gunners will object to it. So if you see a firearm and ammunition you wish to buy but you believe the antis will object to it and how they will portray you then you must forgo buying it.

This means the list is long:

High cap mags and guns holding more than 10 rounds; Oh boy.
Black guns; Ninjas
Muzzle breaks, various sights and scopes, collapsable stocks and the acessories for AR's,AK's, etc.; More ninjas
Camo colored finishes; Now we have ninjas hiding in the woods
Big bore rifles; Don't need big bore for hunting. Wait! Hunting is bad so they will just ban both.
Military caliber rifles; Extremists plotting against the Government

Ammunition:
Hollow points; too deadly
Lead bullets; ruining the environment
.223; useful only in war
9mm; useful only in war
Any rifle ammunition over 40 caliber; no sporting purpose. To much risk to LEO's. Too long of range
All handgun ammo larger than .380; The Police only need the 40 S&W to deal with violent criminals. Law biding cititzens don't need anything more powerful than the police (see comment about 9mm).

Smiling. Smiling and having a good time when shooting are signs of mentally unstable person. Guns are made only for killing people. Someone smiling while shooting is clearly having fanasties about killing.

Those that object to marketing of guns and ammunition because the people that are committed to taking gun ownership away have become part of the problem. I fear we are looking at the last days of gun ownership.


This above all: to thine own self be true,
And it must follow, as the night the day,
Thou canst not then be false to any man.
Farewell, my blessing season this in thee. Polonius

"These guns are not made for recreation or self-defense. They are instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people" Romney 2004

Jaxondog
May 1, 2012, 09:02 AM
For use in Zombie attack only

gatorjames85
May 1, 2012, 09:57 AM
So if you see a firearm and ammunition you wish to buy but you believe the antis will object to it and how they will portray you then you must forgo buying it.

To be clear, this is not what I am saying. I own plenty of items that "no honest man would need" (sarcasm). The thing is, we unfortunately do have to be cognizant of public appearance, not so much from the antis, but from the general populace. These are the people that are not either anti-gun or pro gun, but to whom guns are still fairly exotic. These are the people that can make or break us.

kevin7769
May 1, 2012, 10:14 AM
Specs on the internet? I went to the Hornady site and found this:
Handgun Ammo: http://www.hornady.com/store/Zombie-Max-Handgun/

Rifle ammo: http://www.hornady.com/store/Zombie-Max/

Just click on "details" by the pic of each caliber. I think Hornady is doing a good job pushing the "not for anything but Zombie's" thing for the lawyer part of things..

Sam1911
May 1, 2012, 10:35 AM
Seems the original question was answered and we're drifiting back into the same Pro-Zombie/Anti-Zombie argument.

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