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armoredman
April 29, 2012, 07:57 PM
Is it just me, or are all the compact rifle scopes out there either cheap Chinese junk, or super expensive? Looked at 4 powers from Midway, and they seemed to either be $20-60 Barska or Leapers...or $1,200-2K ACOGS or Leupold!
Does anyone make a reasonably priced, short, (7.5 inch or so), 4 power or so rifle scope?

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proven
April 29, 2012, 08:00 PM
there are some decent 1-4x out there. what exactly are you looking for?

Justin
April 29, 2012, 08:02 PM
Take a look at Burris or Vortex Optics.

armoredman
April 29, 2012, 08:54 PM
proven, an optic that is about 4X to 6X, no longer than 7 5/8", for this setup.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b13/armoredman/vz%2058%205%2056mm/withscope.jpg

The scope that is in there is a very cheap Chinese no name scope that I am having difficulty sighting in. Rifle of this "caliber" should have something a wee bit nicer. I really don't have a lot of coin to spend, spent it all on the rifle. ;)

Justin, thank you for the suggestions, neither company's home page had anything like I listed, unfortunately. Vortex does have some short scopes, but they start at $1,300.

7.62x51NATO
April 29, 2012, 08:56 PM
I like the Leatherwood CMR

Vaarok
April 29, 2012, 09:17 PM
Valdata and Pilad both make plenty of very good midrange, medium-power scopes.

browningguy
April 29, 2012, 09:21 PM
I use a Burris 332, a 3x red dot that I like a lot and they have just come out with a 5x model. It has bullet drop compensation out to 500 yards and the reticle shows black even with no battery juice.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/jcm9371/Rifles/RRAATHUPPER1.jpg

GI_Jared
April 29, 2012, 09:34 PM
@armoredman: You sir need to look into optics made by the company Mueller. They are still made in china, but their quality is superb. I was having the exact same dilemma as you for a decent 1-4x AR scope, and then I discovered the Mueller Speedshot. I mounted it on the burris one piece mount and couldn't be happier.

my setup
http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l216/jleable/IMAG0275.jpg?t=1331904139

proven
April 29, 2012, 09:41 PM
vortex makes their viper pst in a 1-4x for $500, although it's a bit over your length requirement.
http://swfa.com/Vortex-1-4x24-Viper-PST-30mm-Rifle-Scope-P44569.aspx

there are a couple others out there too. but again, if you are married to the length requirement you stated, that may be the limiting factor.

dubya450
April 29, 2012, 10:02 PM
Idk what decently priced to you is but for $400 you can get the Leupold vx-3 1.5-5 powered scope or for $700 the trijicon accupoint (illuminated recticle) 1-4 power. I've got both and wouldn't hesitate to buy either one again.

Freedom_fighter_in_IL
April 29, 2012, 10:48 PM
The Nikon M223 is a 1-4 x 20mm scope and comes in between 350 and 425 (according to where you look) and has been getting very good reviews. Also, I don't know where you looked, but the Leupold and Vortex scopes that Justin mentioned can each be had for less than 500 at several sites. First page of a Google search I just did found even lower prices http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=1-4+x+20mm+scopes#q=1-4+x+20+mm+scopes+for+AR&hl=en&sa=X&prmd=imvns&source=univ&tbm=shop&tbo=u&ei=KO-dT7zXPImE8QTvqe2kDw&ved=0CIYBEK0E&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=b354ddde54e78585&biw=1024&bih=653

bucktail
April 30, 2012, 12:25 AM
Swift

armoredman
April 30, 2012, 01:14 AM
Right now $400 is over budget by far, and $700 is waaaaay outa my league, sorry. The scope has to be short, (that's why I mentioned it in the original post, :) ), to avoid ejected brass, as the never-jam ejection port on the SA vz-58 is the whole top of the receiver.
So the scope has to be far enough back to give plenty of clearance to anything popping out.
Thank you for the suggestions so far. I've looked at all so far and found either too long, or 1X red dots only. Any other suggestions? Due to eye relief, I don't think a pistol scope would work too well.

FrankCastleThePunisher
April 30, 2012, 03:27 AM
If 8.1 inches is not too long, then check out the new Nikon P-223 BDC reticle scope for 150.00. Scope and mounts 175.00 at Optics Planet.

rbernie
April 30, 2012, 08:58 AM
If you're willing to give up true 1x (which most 1x variable scopes don't actually provide even when they say that they do), I highly recommend the Bushnell 3200 1.4x-4.5x Elite. I buy them whenever I can find them - they are a bargain for the quality. They're not high end optics, but they are pretty dang good and can usually be found for less than two bills.

CraigC
April 30, 2012, 09:30 AM
The Burris Compact 4x was the smallest "good" scope I knew of but looks like it has been recently discontinued.

dom1104
April 30, 2012, 09:39 AM
it is NOT just you.

Scopes are either cheap or 1000 bucks.

The midrange, is just cheap, AND expensive.

SaxonPig
April 30, 2012, 09:41 AM
Don't know about "tactical" applications but I have several sporting rifles fitted with the Leupold 1x4 compact scope. Think it runs around 3 bills and I like it a lot.


http://www.fototime.com/D536D5AEC4D46C1/standard.jpg

CraigC
April 30, 2012, 10:05 AM
The midrange, is just cheap, AND expensive.
Pure, unadulterated nonsense.

I'm confused, the OP asked about fixed 4x scopes and most of the responses have been about variables.

The Leupold 4x rimfire special would also be a good candidate but it's 9" long. Their VX2 1-4x, mentioned above, is also very good but also a little longer than desired at 9.5".

armoredman
April 30, 2012, 10:42 AM
rbernie, the 3200 Elite 1.5-4 is 12.5 inches. :)
SaxonPig, never used the word tactical at all. I just want a scope that isn't going to get hit with ejected brass. I despise the word tactical.
I asked Optics Planet for a suggestion, and so far they've been mum. :/
The Nikon P-223 seems to be as close as I have gotten yet, and I hear good things about thier products.

SaxonPig
April 30, 2012, 12:16 PM
CraigC- I don't have any experience with any fixed power compact scopes. Just because it's variable doesn't mean you have to vary it. Leave it at 4X if you want.

armored man- I didn't see where you mentioned the type of rifle. Your username sort of suggests it might be a military style carbine of some sort. Not sure if you wanted a military type optic of if some other would work.

CraigC
April 30, 2012, 01:34 PM
Just because it's variable doesn't mean you have to vary it. Leave it at 4X if you want.
That's very true but the OP asked about short (very short!), light, fixed power scopes within a certain price range. Variables tend to be longer, heavier and more expensive, all of which seems to contradict the OP's needs.

I would suggest finding a used or new-old-stock Burris 4x Compact.

TonyAngel
April 30, 2012, 01:44 PM
If you need a good and "cheap" low powered scope, check out the Weaver V3. It goes for something around $100 and really isn't a bad deal. Very small and compact and the glass ain't bad either.

armoredman
April 30, 2012, 09:02 PM
Saxon, got the name for 8.5 years driving armored trucks. ;)
I'll look into the Weaver and Burris 4X Compact.

16n69
April 30, 2012, 09:23 PM
Is it just me, or are all the compact rifle scopes out there either cheap Chinese junk, or super expensive? Looked at 4 powers from Midway, and they seemed to either be $20-60 Barska or Leapers...or $1,200-2K ACOGS or Leupold!
Does anyone make a reasonably priced, short, (7.5 inch or so), 4 power or so rifle scope?
The TR24-3G: AccuPoint 1-4x24 30mm Riflescope, German #4 Crosshair with Green Dot and the TR24: AccuPoint 1-4x24 30mm Riflescope with BAC, Amber Triangle Reticle, are good moderate cost scopes.

Adam123
April 30, 2012, 09:42 PM
I've shot a lot of rounds out of my AK while using this scope:

http://www.amazon.com/UTG-3-9x32-Compact-Picatinny-Sunshade/dp/B005UGIMNQ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1335832272&sr=8-1

It has held up and holds zero without issue. The eye relief was what did it for me. This scope has great eye relief compared to any compact scope that I've tried. Some guys will to tell you that your cheap scope will magically fail when you "need it the most", but I'll take my chances. I've put enough rounds through my rifle while using this scope that I am confident it will be fine.

I also have this scope:

http://www.amazon.com/3-9X42-Compact-Scope-Blue-Lens/dp/B000R9P1NA/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1335832456&sr=8-5

It's a total pile of crap to look through (cost $28.00) and I beat the heck out of it, but it has held zero firing hundreds 7.62x39 rounds.

Abel
April 30, 2012, 09:46 PM
Weaver V3 is a bit longer than you want, but its a very nice scope.

http://www.opticsplanet.net/weaver-rifle-scopes-v3-hunting-849400.html

armoredman
May 2, 2012, 12:40 AM
The TR24-3G and TR24 are over the length I asked for by 2 inches, and WAY too expensive! Well over $800 isn't what I would call "moderate cost", sorry. I do thank you for the thought.

armoredman
May 2, 2012, 12:51 AM
Adam123, that pretty darn close...what's funny is that ISN'T the one Optics Planet suggested...

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