High quality 9mm?


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benzy2
April 29, 2012, 09:46 PM
I've been looking at a new 9mm and have a little doubt in what to pick. Use is basically a range toy and something to admire. I don't play in any games and don't plan to use this for defense. Budget varies. I would say $1000 is about the max and less is better. I've considered an sti spartan and cz 75b on the cheap side. A kimber, sti Trojan, sw 1911 on the upper price range. Also thought about a browning hi power or a cz custom shop cz. I'm not really looking for a polymer gun. Already have a glock 34 that functionally does everything I need. This is more about a fine tuned machine, even if not the most practical option. I'd like something with a great trigger. I'm sure I've left quite a few good options out but these are the ones that have most recently been in mind. Thoughts?

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Serenity
April 29, 2012, 09:48 PM
Sig P226. Good ergonomics for different hand sizes/shapes. Smooth trigger. Pretty.

MCgunner
April 29, 2012, 09:50 PM
You don't have to spend a grand for a "high quality" 9mm. They start at a bit over 300 and move up from there. I'm thinkin' Ruger P95 on the low end. You might not like the trigger or some other about the gun, but it will feed about anything and go bang every time and it's more'n accurate enough for duty carry or CCW.

In the upper price ranges, I would prefer the Sigs with frame mounted decocker. Very ergonomic, at least IMHO.

beatledog7
April 29, 2012, 09:55 PM
For a range-oriented 9mm, you'd be hard pressed to do better than a CZ 75B SA. Sigs are said to be great shooters, and they certainly are neat looking.

If used suits you, look for a Browning High Power or a third generation S&W. Not a prettier 9mm out there IMHO; these are both classics. They are also said to shoot well, though I have not had the privilege as yet.

Fremmer
April 29, 2012, 10:00 PM
Browning hi power and have the trigger worked on. Get a nice blued one. Then have a good smith work on it.

sigarms228
April 29, 2012, 10:22 PM
A SIG P226 and in particular the P226 Stainless Elite for a very fine range pistol with a nice trigger out of the box and very beautiful to look at.

I plan on getting one myself eventualy or a P226 X-FIVE Allround.

Sig Bill
April 29, 2012, 10:32 PM
http://www.best9mm.com/

You're welcome. ;)

sigarms228
April 29, 2012, 11:30 PM
http://www.best9mm.com/

You're welcome. ;)

Or more accurately that website SHOULD be

_http://www.IMObest9mmunder$600.com ;)

miles1
April 29, 2012, 11:43 PM
Browning HP 9mm with no hesitation.

MrDig
April 29, 2012, 11:47 PM
+1 to me the BHP is the auto' 9 that is the standard the rest try to emulate.

coalman
April 30, 2012, 12:36 AM
Cz 75b sa.

FM12
April 30, 2012, 12:41 AM
Browning Hi Power.Finest handgun ever made. Thank me later.

csa77
April 30, 2012, 01:17 AM
Browning hi power. The trigger will be heavy but crisp, a new hammer and sear or trigger job will make a wold of difference. The bhp is the finest pistol ever made. I'm a big 1911 guy and even that doesn't compair to the bhp.

Fonzie2k
April 30, 2012, 01:48 AM
I've been extremely impressed with the Tangfolio witness pistols... the 9mm I shot the other day seemed to embody the word "smooth" in every way... It's my understanding that these are a CZ75 clone but i've never really managed to get my hands on a CZ

Kiln
April 30, 2012, 01:59 AM
My favorites are the XDM and CZ75. The Ruger P series is cheap and are decent pistols too.

MachIVshooter
April 30, 2012, 02:12 AM
Brand New? CZ75/Baby Eagle

Out of every option out there? S&W 5906.

12131
April 30, 2012, 02:40 AM
I've been looking at a new 9mm and have a little doubt in what to pick. Use is basically a range toy and something to admire. I don't play in any games and don't plan to use this for defense. Budget varies. I would say $1000 is about the max and less is better. I've considered an sti spartan and cz 75b on the cheap side. A kimber, sti Trojan, sw 1911 on the upper price range. Also thought about a browning hi power or a cz custom shop cz. I'm not really looking for a polymer gun. Already have a glock 34 that functionally does everything I need. This is more about a fine tuned machine, even if not the most practical option. I'd like something with a great trigger. I'm sure I've left quite a few good options out but these are the ones that have most recently been in mind. Thoughts?
A W. German Sig P226 or P228 in excellent condition would be my thought.
A stock BHP or a CZ 75B without some trigger work is not going to have a great trigger.

Dr.Rob
April 30, 2012, 04:22 AM
The 75th anniversary BHP's are available in blue rather than that epoxy style finish. Might be exactly what you have in mind. CDNN has them in stock.

vaherder
April 30, 2012, 07:53 AM
I have shot thousands of rounds with both the P99AS and P226. P99AS is more accurate and the better handgun in my opinion.

The_Armed_Therapist
April 30, 2012, 08:46 AM
For a range toy, almost anything would be great... DEFINITELY doesn't require $1,000, or even $500. LOL... My "range toy" 9mm is the Taurus 24/7 with a 5" barrel. I bought it for $300. The first 100 rounds had a few issues, but has been flawless for about 300 rounds. Trigger is pretty decent and it's extremely accurate. From about 15 yards the other day, I hit a plastic water bottle 34 times in a row (2 mags).

Also, the Ruger SR9/SR9c is about $400 and definitely a great choice. The Sig 2022, Sig 250, Ruger P95, Arcus "Hi-Power", Springfield XD, etc... All good range toys in the $300-$400 range. Why spend more for a non-defensive firearm? Maybe I'm just biased. ;)

RickMD
April 30, 2012, 10:07 AM
The Browning Hi-Power most closely matches your criteria except that the out of the box trigger normally requires a bit of work... Your ruling out polymer guns disqualifies some of the prior recommendations mentioned on this post.

benzy2
April 30, 2012, 10:22 AM
I'm not totally against another polymer gun. The problem with them is that the glock 34 I currently have functionally does everything I could ask a pistol to do. It goes bang every time. It's more than accurate enough. It's high capacity. And it fits into at least one category in most competitions if I wanted to try one. That leaves me looking for something different. Something that is almost as much a work of art as it is pistol. If it doesn't hold the most rounds or isn't best suited to a specific game it doesn't matter. This is to have something that shoots well and when examined makes you feel like there is quite a bit of attention to detail and quality effort put in the design and manufacture of the item. The sig 226, especially the EE version, a cz custom shop pistol, and a BHP with a trigger/action job all three seem to fit that desire very well.

For those mentioning budget pistols, I understand their usefulness and value but this buy isn't looking for the value pistol, it's looking for the quality feel and function. I've used very inexpensive pistols and they have worked well (most of them) but I'm looking for something where you can admire the quality as much as anything. I've filled all of my functional needs and am now looking for a pistol that stands out from a quality point of view rather than strictly a functional item.

Furncliff
April 30, 2012, 11:27 AM
If the Browning HP fits, maybe the blued version Dr. Rob mentioned. The grip on that pistol is too short for my hands and the recoil spring on the one I tried was way too stiff for my taste.
I've had a CZ75b for 7 years, and my preference for a range gun would be one of the SA's from CZ Custom in AZ. The pure custom guns from CZ Customs are all over $1000, but you could order the box stock Single Action model and change a few things for under a grand.
The Kadet .22LR conversion for these pistols is a very nice extra incentive.

COgunner
April 30, 2012, 11:59 AM
Best range 9mm I've ever had is my Walther PPQ. Most fun to shoot AND admire is my Walther P1 (used - $329 from Bud's). Still looking for a great WWII-era P38 that I'm sure would be even better.

http://i839.photobucket.com/albums/zz314/vetter71/PPQP1.jpg

Certaindeaf
April 30, 2012, 12:02 PM
The blue Hi-Power has class and works very well. Get factory target sights or at least high profile fixed. Remove the magazine safety and call it good.
The Hi-Power is probably the easiest pistol to hit with.

John Holbrook
April 30, 2012, 12:07 PM
The winner and still Champion, the Browning P-35 Hi Power,,,,----:D

http://www.fototime.com/%7B1609AA32-E832-45E1-B9F2-746EF7A23B52%7D/origpict/DSC00002.JPG

brigadier
April 30, 2012, 12:40 PM
When I first got my Beretta 92FS (now stolen) it wasn't what I would call a great shooting gun. But with a trigger job and good tune up, it was by far the nicest shooting 9mm I've ever fired. It begs to be tuned up.

If you can find a good, quality custom Beretta, you may find yourself one happy camper.

You may also want to look in to High Standard and Dan Wesson. Great guns they make.

JustinJ
April 30, 2012, 01:29 PM
HK P30 is the finest 9mm ever made.

allaroundhunter
April 30, 2012, 01:53 PM
http://www.best9mm.com/

You're welcome.

Definitely not. I would say a Sig P226 (perhaps stainless elite if you can find it under a grand). The Beretta 92 INOX is also a pretty gun. It is also hard to go wrong with a high-power, but I personally would not take it before the two that I previously mentioned

tuj
April 30, 2012, 02:11 PM
S&W 952. They were made by the performance center and are some of the most accurate factory 9mm pistols made. Other choice: Sig210.

click clack
April 30, 2012, 02:15 PM
I have never owned nor have I ever got the chance to mess with one but I hear the BHPs are as bout as good as it gets.

joecil
April 30, 2012, 02:53 PM
My range toy is a Taurus PT 92 and even have a Ciener 22 LR conversion kit for it. Every bit as accurate as the Beretta, though not as good a finish however it can use a lot of the parts such as locking blocks, barrels etc depending on which year your Taurus was made.

jon86
April 30, 2012, 03:03 PM
I know this is the autoloader section, but have you considered a ruger single action convertible 357/9mm?

M1key
April 30, 2012, 03:12 PM
Sig P210

Too bad I can't afford one...:rolleyes:

M

Certaindeaf
April 30, 2012, 03:27 PM
The 210 is nice for a range gun. Very nice. Except for the $3000 price tag etc etc.
One day I'll own one and it'll be my squirrel rifle. For now, the BHP serves well.

col_tapiocca
April 30, 2012, 04:13 PM
The 210 is nice for a range gun. Very nice. Except for the $3000 price tag etc etc.
What you have to pay $3000 for a P210 in the USA? A former swiss service pistole P49 aka P210 worth only approx $1000-1100.
For target shooting they are meybe not better 9mm gun ever build.
But as "range toy" I would choose:
1. Walther PPQ
2. S&W M&P
3. IMI Jericho (in the USA maybe sold as IMI Baby Eagle)

If you whant the "holy grail" of 9mm handgun buy a Sphinx:
http://www.sphinx-systems.ch/

LTR shooter
April 30, 2012, 04:13 PM
The sig 226, especially the EE version, a cz custom shop pistol, and a BHP with a trigger/action job all three seem to fit that desire very well.

I recently picked up a new Sig P226 and the E2 grip fits my hand better than any Sig I've tried. Much better than my compact P239. The P226 specs list the SA pull at 4.4lbs and DA at 10lbs. The DA is really smooth. After my first range session I knew it was the right 9mm for me. Takedown for cleaning takes but a few seconds.

Some years ago I fired a friend's BHP and that pistol did shoot very well for me.

56hawk
April 30, 2012, 04:38 PM
Is everyone forgetting the HK P7M8???

ritepath
April 30, 2012, 04:54 PM
http://cdn1.cheaperthandirt.com/ctd_images/lgprod/2-SGE26R-40-EQ.jpg


226 equinox....and call it a day.

larryh1108
April 30, 2012, 05:55 PM
Is everyone forgetting the HK P7M8???

My thoughts exactly. What's not to like?

http://i342.photobucket.com/albums/o435/larryh1108/HK%20P7/HKP7right.jpg
HK P7 PSP style

One of the best 9mms ever made.

If that doesn't do it for you then, as mentioned, you should consider the CZ75 SA with a czcustom trigger job or the deep blue BHP, also with a trigger job. Each choice oozes class and beauty as well as accuracy and reliability. The Sigs do deserve a mention but, IMO, they don't have that extra class the others have.

Laetus1
April 30, 2012, 06:20 PM
Many great 9s listed above that anyone should be proud to own. My personal favorite of the high quality ones is also the HK P7, with special affection for the PSP model.

meanmrmustard
April 30, 2012, 06:52 PM
CZ 75. Affordable, reliable, accurate. Dar I say...classy?

Thompsoncustom
April 30, 2012, 06:59 PM
Classy.....Indeed.

I would say get the CZ 75b SA and spend 400 or 500 on the gun. I would say it would far surpass most tho that kind of money is not required as it is a nice weapon from the start.

Tho 400 bucks would go a long way at CGW and you would have an outstanding weapon.

Walking Dead
April 30, 2012, 07:00 PM
http://cdn1.cheaperthandirt.com/ctd_images/lgprod/2-SGE26R-40-EQ.jpg


226 equinox....and call it a day.
Brilliant!

rellascout
April 30, 2012, 07:03 PM
http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t213/rellascout/wwg-bhp3.gif

http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t213/rellascout/Practical-11.gif

http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t213/rellascout/jew-power.gif

http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t213/rellascout/bhp-internal-2.gif

http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t213/rellascout/HK-P7-2.jpg

rellascout
April 30, 2012, 07:04 PM
http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t213/rellascout/p228-munich-2.gif

http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t213/rellascout/sig-p225-2.gif

BYJO4
April 30, 2012, 07:06 PM
I'm very happy with my Kimber Custom II in 9MM. It has been 100% reliable and very accurate. The 1911 platform also gives it an exellent trigger.

theQman23
May 1, 2012, 02:18 AM
Might you consider the first wonder nine? The smith 39-2? I loved mine until I sold it to a deserving friend............. in a moment of weakness.............

Certaindeaf
May 1, 2012, 11:29 AM
^
I thought the Hi-Power was the first "wonder-nine".

Kiln
May 1, 2012, 04:13 PM
My thoughts exactly. What's not to like?

http://i342.photobucket.com/albums/o435/larryh1108/HK%20P7/HKP7right.jpg
HK P7 PSP style

One of the best 9mms ever made.

If that doesn't do it for you then, as mentioned, you should consider the CZ75 SA with a czcustom trigger job or the deep blue BHP, also with a trigger job. Each choice oozes class and beauty as well as accuracy and reliability. The Sigs do deserve a mention but, IMO, they don't have that extra class the others have.
Grip looks really uncomfortable to me. These still made? I'd like to hold one of them just to see what they feel like.

56hawk
May 1, 2012, 04:18 PM
Grip looks really uncomfortable to me. These still made? I'd like to hold one of them just to see what they feel like.

They stopped making them a few years ago. The P7M8 is very comfortable. I have a P7M13 and the grip is a little to wide at the back. Either way it a pretty awesome pistol.

highlander 5
May 1, 2012, 04:35 PM
For a 9 mm any of the Ruger P series pistols and they are inexpensive not cheap,there is a difference. Second choice,for me at least a tie between the Sig series and CZ75 pistols.
Third choice Beretta 92fs.

labhound
May 1, 2012, 04:56 PM
92FS Inox
http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/dd366/labhound1/Beretta92FSInox.jpg

sigarms228
May 1, 2012, 06:02 PM
Lots of nice pictures here.



http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv60/kk9zz/P228-y.jpg

http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv60/kk9zz/P226g1.jpg

DesertVet
May 1, 2012, 06:12 PM
Browning Hi Power 9mm

meanmrmustard
May 1, 2012, 07:54 PM
Cz 75. It hurts to say I'd let mine go for a G20.

el Godfather
May 1, 2012, 08:13 PM
These two would be my advice although slightly over your budget:
Sig P226 enhanced elite, or
CZ 75 Tactical Sports.

towboat_er
May 1, 2012, 08:19 PM
5906 S&W is a great range 9mm.

elrowe
May 1, 2012, 08:20 PM
Springfield Armory EMP, unless you want pinpoint accuracy past 15 yards, then any 5" 1911.

benzy2
May 1, 2012, 08:33 PM
The budget is flexible if need be. The CZ75 Shadow T SAO was one of the two original options that sparked this thought. There is also a P226 EE used in one of the semi-local shops for sale at $800ish that I plan to check out on Thursday. The shop with the P226EE also has a few BHP's on the rack that I'll look through. I don't think they stock much of the CZ line but they have one or two used in last I saw. Another shop has a 92FS Inox used priced at $550 that I plan to check out as well.

The HK, while certainly a high quality firearm, is one I've never had a draw to and don't think I'd spend the money they often pull simply to own one. There are a couple used S&W 39 and 59 models at the store with the 92FS so I'll look at them a bit more as well.

Thank you for all of the suggestions. They all are appreciated and all are nice to hear. Plenty of very nice firearms listed that all would fit what I'm looking for very very well.

wrs840
May 1, 2012, 08:51 PM
My favorite utility/carry nine is the S&W 5904, so much so that I own three. Alloy frame, 3rd gen, simple, durable, and reliable.

I like my early-90s Italian mfg Beretta 92FS a lot, and would never likely sell it. It's a classic and a lot of firepower, if a tad large.

My most elegant and accurate "pride-of-ownership" range-use-only nine however, is my Mid-80s Belgian mfg BHP.

OldCavSoldier
May 2, 2012, 01:10 AM
Any SIG (P229 or P239...P226 if your hands are large) or a Browning Hi-Power.

Hk Dan
May 2, 2012, 06:55 PM
HK USP. Oughta be able to find one used for about $500.

benzy2
May 3, 2012, 08:35 PM
Went to a.couple stores today. The used p226 ee was real nice. Almost bought it until i saw a stainless.cz75b marked used that looked unfired. Price was well under $500 after tax so i jumped on it. I need to find a good smith to send it to for an action job and maybe new sights. Other than that the pistol felt great and looks sharp. I'll fet pics up when im off work. I figure if it isnt what i want i can trade it in on something else though i dont see that desire popping up soon.

Certaindeaf
May 3, 2012, 09:01 PM
^
That'll work. I'd shoot it first before sending it off for tweakage.

7mmb
May 4, 2012, 10:55 PM
For a high quality 9mm at low cost look at the Witness Elite Match. As a single action improved clone of the CZ75 it combines the best of the SIG P210 and Browning Hi-Power. Built in Tanfoglio's custom shop it can't be beat for the price. And no need to send it off for a trigger job, the trigger is awesome out of the box.

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd224/mmb713/IMG_20110320_181233.jpg

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd224/mmb713/IMG_20110606_134650.jpg

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd224/mmb713/IMG_20110606_122210.jpg

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd224/mmb713/IMG_20110606_134716.jpg

Bushpilot
May 5, 2012, 12:24 AM
I'm partial to CZ75's because they usually shoot so well. I like the Browning High too, except for the previosuly mentioned trigger is usually not the greatest. But, the BHP trigger feels pretty good compared to what passes for a decent trigger on a lot of popular autos these days.

gym
May 5, 2012, 09:56 AM
Get the new walther, I held one and it rocks, the reviews are stellar from everyone who I have spoken to. I just didn't need another 9mm, in that size. I picked up a LC9, with laselite. But if you are just ging to admire it, like a few guys said, maybe a nickel plated Browning Hi power, Throw some burled wood frips on it. Sure to please. Or a kimber in 9, they have some nice guns. And there is also the EMP, of which I have one in 40, you can add some aliens and put a wilson hammer on it to match the finish and you will have a beauty. It will cost you 1200, as will the Kimbers but I love my EMP.

bragmardo
May 5, 2012, 04:35 PM
What you have to pay $3000 for a P210 in the USA? A former swiss service pistole P49 aka P210 worth only approx $1000-1100.U.S. prices (http://www.facebook.com/pages/SIG-P210/146892858672987) run upward of $2000.If you whant the "holy grail" of 9mm handgun buy a Sphinx:
http://www.sphinx-systems.ch/Sphinx attended the last two SHOT Shows, but never got around to importing their guns. I think Edgar Budischowsky's Korriphila 701 is a much better choice in double action autopistols.

RugerOldArmy
May 5, 2012, 07:49 PM
Tops in my book would be:


Sig 210
Tie: An STI 1911 in 9x19, or Sig X5 in 9x19


As a good value: BHP (Mag break removed and trigger job), CZ 75

45Fan
May 13, 2012, 06:45 PM
I was bitten by the BHP bug, and fell into a good deal on a used model with the tangent sights. The sights were not my favorite, but the price and condition of the pistol roped me in. After getting it home, and removing the mag safety, it is very well one of my favorite guns to shoot. Honestly I find myself more drawn to it than my 1911. Past being just a range toy, I have found the hi-power (even with the tangent sight) to be a very comfortable carry gun as well.

mdauben
May 13, 2012, 09:44 PM
Given your conditions, my first choice would be a Browning High Power. Second choice would be one of the 9mm SIGs. Both are excellent guns.


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Dave P.
May 13, 2012, 09:54 PM
http://czcustom.com/cz75shadowls-bblk.aspx

I got one of these last summer, had the trigger done to just under 3 lbs.
I've been real happy with it, not the "prettiest" gun but it shoots
real well. I've put about 4000 rounds through it with no issues.
Everybody that I have let shoot it seem impressed.
Dave

PabloJ
May 13, 2012, 10:09 PM
It depends on day of the week. Today it was DAO S&W 5946. Very elegant all stainless handgun with very smooth DA trigger pull. It's hard to beat the under-rated and undervalued second-hand Gen. 3 S&W.

PabloJ
May 13, 2012, 10:29 PM
What you have to pay $3000 for a P210 in the USA? A former swiss service pistole P49 aka P210 worth only approx $1000-1100.
For target shooting they are meybe not better 9mm gun ever build.
But as "range toy" I would choose:
1. Walther PPQ
2. S&W M&P
3. IMI Jericho (in the USA maybe sold as IMI Baby Eagle)

If you whant the "holy grail" of 9mm handgun buy a Sphinx:
http://www.sphinx-systems.ch/
The price for long in the tooth one start at about $1500 and can go past $3000 with spare mag going for about $150. I have seen improved German version that had tag of $2200.
I do like your iron jacketed 9x19 ammo. It's inexpensive and so clean burning it cut on gun cleaning a whole lot. Another bonus is Americans fear it because slug attracts magnet so they buy Federal 'Champion' or white box Winchester instead which makes me very happy.

Bammac
May 14, 2012, 01:35 AM
I will throw in my vote for the Browning HP.
I have never missed any gun, sold or traded, like I miss and regret selling that one....25 years ago.
When a mistake rankles that long, you know it was something worth missing.

Fishslayer
May 15, 2012, 12:40 AM
Browning hi power and have the trigger worked on. Get a nice blued one. Then have a good smith work on it.

For something to admire it's hard to improve on a '60s vintage BHP. The classic lines... the deep blue... :drool:

TonyT
May 15, 2012, 03:41 PM
If you want a super trigger in a 9mm then the options are S&W 952, Dan Wseeon PM-9 (1911) and STI Trojan in descending order of cost. One other possibility is the CZ 9mm USPA semi auto -forget the model number but it also has an awesome trigger.

C0untZer0
May 15, 2012, 04:16 PM
These run about $475.00

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=164520&stc=1&d=1337112969

http://www.czechpoint-usa.com/products/revolvers/9-mm-luger/czechpoint-9231-9mm-para/


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