Compact Coyote rifle?


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KenW.
April 30, 2012, 01:50 AM
I'm not much of a rifle guy. I was a number of years ago but got into handguns big time. I do own a German Voere .243 Win with a nice Lisenfeld scope, but the rifle is just too much to take on desert ATV-based coyote hunts.

What rifle would be a good one to transport on an ATV while going after these predators? I'd like a .223 so I don't have to stockpile any more calibers than I already do, but am open to suggestions. Something that's fairly compact and durable is best. I've been considering the Mini-14, but I think I'd want a folding stock for compactness.

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Robert
April 30, 2012, 01:53 AM
How about an AR? They can be had in any color of the rainbow and are tough enough to take the riding around on an ATV. In my experience an AR is more accurate than a Mini. Mags are cheap and easy to come by and you can tailor the rilfe to fit whatever need you may have.

KenW.
April 30, 2012, 02:03 AM
I'd even consider a scoped rifle-caliber handgun.

I am issued an AR for work but have to take care of it and not beat it around like my polaris would. Can't put optics on it either. The platform is great, but I dont need another one in the cabinet.

Longrifle2506
April 30, 2012, 02:06 AM
http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh272/wileykia2506/DSCF5497.jpg
Rock River Arms Coyote Carbine - 64-grain pointed soft points are deadly on Coyotes

Robert
April 30, 2012, 02:07 AM
Minis can be tough to scope and mags can be expensive but I like mine. It is accurate enough as long as I do not overheat it. Might not be a bad way to go since the AR is off the table. Keltec makes the SU16 though I have no experience with one.

Longrifle2506
April 30, 2012, 02:18 AM
Oh, Sorry, I just saw .223 in your first post and suggested the RRA Coyote Carbine; I missed where you said you didn't need another one in the cabinet. I tell you something my Grandfather got at an auction that's is just cool as heck; It's a Remington model 7615 Police Pump action .223. It's all matte black and takes AR-15 Mags. I've been lusting after it ever since he brought it home from the auction that day. I think that would be a fun rifle to scope, and see how it performs. He won't scope it: old fashioned open sights guy born in 1929.

But that gun is pretty much the same dimensions and barrel length as a standard Remington 7600; it's just been decked out Law Enforcement style. I think it has a baked on parkerized finish. The barrel is fluted too(I think); been awhile since I saw it. I think I'm going to try to trade him something for it.

ColtPythonElite
April 30, 2012, 02:53 AM
Encore

MachIVshooter
April 30, 2012, 02:58 AM
Keltec makes the SU16 though I have no experience with one.

For lightweight, compact, portable and NOT an AR, that would be my recommmendation. They're actually pretty accurate, and it'll take your AR mags.

27" long when folded, 4-1/2 pounds empty

http://suburbansurvivalist.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/keltec_su16_c.jpg

vaupet
April 30, 2012, 05:55 AM
if it doesn't have to be semi-auto, steyr scout rifle or cz 527 carbine should fit the bill

Gunnerboy
April 30, 2012, 07:39 AM
Polish tantal ... my favorite ride along coyote gun, its been dropped out of a moving vehicle, it rarely gets cleaned,and it just keeps on doing what i need and is accurate too.

jmr40
April 30, 2012, 07:51 AM
16" AR, telescoping stock. Less expensive than a Mini, more accurate, more compact, more reliable, and easier to scope. No need to look any further.

Cemo
April 30, 2012, 08:07 AM
+1 on the CZ 527 carbine, light weight, short, accurate and has a set trigger for the ones out there at longer ranges.

spazzymcgee
April 30, 2012, 08:15 AM
That CZ 527 is pretty awesome, and I definately wouldn't mind an excuse to buy one, but the Kel-Tec SU-16 might be your best bet for your intentions. It feels pretty high quality, but I've only held one.

Art Eatman
April 30, 2012, 11:40 AM
Tight groups are nice, but have little relation to hunting needs so long as the first shot goes where intended. My Minis always did quite nicely for that. I never had any vibration problems with a K4 and a B-Square mount.

In general, most of my shots on coyotes, driving the back-country jeep trails, were inside of 200 yards; more commonly no more than 100.

Drifting away from the .223: There won't be all that many shots on coyotes, for starters. There just aren't all that many coyotes! So, for the money, odds are that finding a Remington 742K in .243 or a Winchester 100 in .243 might not be all that expensive. Saving a couple of hundred bucks on the rifle buys a fair amount of ammo...

KenW.
April 30, 2012, 11:47 AM
16" AR, telescoping stock. Less expensive than a Mini, more accurate, more compact, more reliable, and easier to scope. No need to look any further.

What AR are you buying at lower than the $700 Ruger price range?

MachIVshooter
April 30, 2012, 12:38 PM
What AR are you buying at lower than the $700 Ruger price range?

There are a few sold assembled at that pricepoint, and you can build one between $500 and $600 easily.

http://www.google.com/products/catalog?q=S%26W+M%26P+sport&hl=en&rls=com.microsoft:en-us&rlz=1I7GWYE_enUS348&prmd=imvns&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&biw=1429&bih=555&wrapid=tlif133580032511610&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=shop&cid=7815689440285911562&sa=X&ei=ALKeT73VAYaItweXh_SmBA&ved=0CFAQ8wIwAA#

http://www.aggressiveguns.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=397

TOU
May 3, 2012, 12:19 PM
Another enthusiastic vote for the CZ 527 carbine...seems like it would be tailor made for your request. I have had one for several years and even added another one in 7.62x39. Love it!

H&Hhunter
May 3, 2012, 12:38 PM
Another vote for the 527 it's a really cool little mini Mauser. I recently bought a Rock River 18" ATH AR. That is about as compact and accurate a yoddle dog swatter as one can get. If you don't want to fool with the expense and weight of an AR the CZ 527 is REALLY hard to beat for the money.

TexasPatriot.308
May 3, 2012, 12:53 PM
my mini 14 tactical is my small truck gun, got lots of coyotes in my pastures.

gatorjames85
May 3, 2012, 01:05 PM
You really sure you don't want an AR? Otherwise, I would go with a mini-14.

shinyroks
May 3, 2012, 01:18 PM
If you want something quickly accessible, you might consider a scoped handgun in 10mm, 400 corbon, 357 sig, or revolvers in the quick middle-bore calibers like 357.

The advantage to those is that in most states you cannot ride atvs with any ammo in the gun, and here in Colorado they have to be locked-cased on top of that. However, handguns are legal to carry one in the chamber in most states and would be much quicker on acquisition, not to mention easier to pack, you don't even need a spot on your quad!

Otherwise, my 580 series mini is sweet, has ended many a prairie dog from 100+ yds. Just need to put on a butler creek orso if you want a folder. Oh, and comes with the scope rings (just make sure to lock-tite them at the receiver nuts ;) ), and I use a Nikon Monarch on it. Never had any problems with magazines from Ruger, up to the 30 rounders.

FinalCountDn
May 3, 2012, 01:26 PM
Another Mini 14 tactical vote.

BP Hunter
May 3, 2012, 02:26 PM
Yes, the Mini-14 is a great coyote rifle. We were hitting 12x12" size targets consistently at 350 yards with opne sights. It's also light enough and short.

mnhntr
May 3, 2012, 02:28 PM
This one Encore 12in .223
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=656461

Lee D
May 3, 2012, 02:29 PM
another vote for the Mini. ive taken many 'yotes with mine... scoped and iron sights

Panzercat
May 3, 2012, 05:43 PM
Now granted, a 30/30 might be overkill for a 'yote, but its a good all around cartridge for just about anything and the platform can be had for far less than most semi-auto .223 setups. More than a few people will attest to the fact that a 30/30 is one of the best truck guns in existance... And now that I've said that somebody will scramble to debate the fact ;)

I know you want to maintain common calibers, but get something different just for fun. It's not as if 30/30 will dry up anytime soon and it allows you a bit more leeway for heavier game (yes, yes, we all know somebody out there has taken a zombie yeti with just a .223 and proper shot placement). Plus levers are just dang fun and that's the best reason of all.

If you have to have a .223, I vote for that keltec pictured above. Owned it, loved it.

Mikey Idaho
May 3, 2012, 07:45 PM
Mini-14 vote all the way, I love mine and wouldn't trade it for an AR for the same money. After that maybe check out the KelTec SU-16, look cool but I know nothing about it.

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jim243
May 3, 2012, 10:00 PM
I'd like a .223 so I don't have to stockpile any more calibers than I already do,


Carbine length (16 inch) AR no question about it. Otherwise if you are just looking to kill them a Mossberg 500 or Remingtion 870 will do the job. Are you hunting or just killing to protect livestock?


Jim

Robbins290
May 3, 2012, 10:05 PM
i hate the ar platform, but i use a smith and wesson mp15, in the m4 style for my coyote medicine. perfect for the job

KenW.
May 4, 2012, 12:28 AM
I'll be hunting them for the $50 bounty

KenW.
May 4, 2012, 12:30 AM
I already said i dont want an ar. I'll be hunting them for the $50 bounty

MachIVshooter
May 4, 2012, 12:31 AM
I'll be hunting them for the $50 bounty

Well, if you need to keep pelts in good shape, I'd skip the .223 altogether and look into a .17 Rem. They almost never exit a coyote, but it drop's 'em like a lightning bolt.

Needles
May 4, 2012, 02:28 AM
Coyotes? I don't shoot anything else that eats meat. I live in the desert, and the coyotes keep down the rabbits, rats, and ground squirrels that would carry off the garden, otherwise. Having said that, I don't really care if you shoot 'em, but why would you need anything more than a .22? I'm not trying to argue; I'm just a bit confused at the firepower some of y'all seem to be using. It doesn't seem like it would be that hard to put one down, and rimfires would be a lot cheaper.

NWCP
May 4, 2012, 06:42 AM
I have a 16" RRA LAR15 with the national match trigger and a 1 in 9 twist. That works works well on coyote, but I've recently purchased a Stag Arms Model 7 20" upper in 6.8 SPCII to mount on my RRA lower. That works even better for predator/hog/deer hunting out to around 250 yards. One lower and two uppers for about the price of one gun. The 5.56 RRA now acts as a personal/home defense rifle and within 1 minute it's all dressed up with a Leupold 3-9x40 AR scope and pushing the 6.8 SPCII down the barrel to ruin the day of any predator that gets in it's way. Worth checking out IMHO.

Kernel
May 4, 2012, 10:38 AM
Thompson/Center Contender in .223 Rem. Handgun, carbine, or both (on the same frame). Because of the compressed action a Contender carbine with a 24” barrel will be shorter and lighter than a typical bolt-action with a 20” barrel. With a 20” barrel on the Contender carbine you have a REALLY compact firearm. Or put a 14” barrel on it and carry it as a scoped handgun in a bandoleer chest holster.

but why would you need anything more than a .22?
Distance, mostly. “Out West” coyotes are often shot at ranges that exceed 200 yds. Sometimes they're almost in your lap, but most shots are long range. Conditions are frequently windy, so you need a bullet with some weight and high velocity, and you want every shot to be a DRT (these are reasons why many consider the .243 Win the ideal coyote cartridge). A .22 LR will kill them every time but it might take 5 minutes or 5 days if you don't place the bullet just right (due to wind, range, and moving target). They run off, are hard to find, and not very nice when found. A high-power cartrdige, becasue of hydrostatic shock in proportion to the animals small body mass, will generally kill a coyote right quick, even if the shot is not perfect.

hardluk1
May 4, 2012, 10:38 AM
Small and roughed H&R in 223, last 7 years they use a 1-9 twist. Good for littler bullets.
savage /steven 200 or edge with a rifle basix trigger upgrade accurate at longer ranges. Cost is low and plain enough for can't hurt the look. darn site more accrate the a ruger mini. If you do not have excerience with a scope pistol ,forget it. Depending on range A 17hmr, svage .marlin or cz will do out to around 200 yards

Oh a M&P14 sport is around 600 dollar street price new. It will shoot sunmoa groups. But its a darn ole AR based rifle.

KenW.
May 4, 2012, 09:57 PM
Some of you must have missed my post where I said I didn't want an AR.

I like the Kel Tec, but maybe I'll just use my Voere 243 for now. Not interested in getting into the fur business.

I don't think I could get close enough for my .22LR to take one down. In the western Utah desert I could easily have to take 200 yard shots.

KenW.
May 4, 2012, 10:01 PM
oops double post. Darn Nook tablet. On the laptop now.

Needles
May 5, 2012, 04:07 AM
An H&R Handi might work, then. They come in several calibers that should be able to reach out and touch ol' Wile E. Light, fairly cheap (@ $260 new, but you might find one in a pawn shop for a lot less.) It's a single shot, but how many second shots are you going to get at a coyote anyway? Plus you can add barrels. I've got an old one that came in a rollup sock that you can stash behind a truck seat. It's got a .30-30 barrel and a 20 gauge. My only complaint is the new owners won't fit new barrels to the old company's recievers. (Mine's nickle coated, too.)

Robbins290
May 7, 2012, 09:47 AM
I agree needles. Very handy truck rifles. I got a few. For coyotes, i would get one in 223 with the scope mount.

whetrock
May 7, 2012, 06:17 PM
If you're not much of an AR or Semi guy in general and feel that a compact bolt gun is your answer I'd take a look at the Savage model 25, ( the barrels are a heavier profile and pretty long, but the actions are pretty compact ) CZ 527, ( my personal favorite, also they've got iron sights which a pretty cool bonus IMO ) and last but not least the Howa Ranchland compact, while this rifle has a thinner "sporter" barrel it's a pretty tidey and easy toting package, however I'm not too fond of the Hogue overmold stocks that these Howas feature from the factory, but there are several aftermarket stocks out there for the Howa 1500s/Weatherby Vanguards that are pretty nice. Also while they're semis the Saiga sporters are available in both .223 and 5.45 and are capable of pretty acceptable accuracy and very reasonable as far as the price. If I were strapped for cash and didn't own or want an AR but desired an automatic I'd give the Saigas a pretty hard look.

St8LineGunsmith
May 7, 2012, 07:29 PM
SKS or 1022 and wont break the bank. and the perfect guns for the coming zombie apocalypse:what::D

KenW.
May 14, 2012, 08:26 PM
I don't shoot anything else that eats meat. I live in the desert, and the coyotes keep down the rabbits, rats, and ground squirrels that would carry off the garden.


According to the state Division of Wildlife resources, they also keep down the population of mule deer fawns. That's why they're worth 50$ each now. Perhaps I'll look for a centerfire takedown rifle.

Why I need something more than a .22 rimfire. I want a clean kill. No suffering with a need to pump half a dozen rounds into a canine. I think I could take one cleanly under a hundred yards, but further?...

Manny
May 15, 2012, 01:34 AM
Though I've gone over to an AR these days I owned a Mini 14 Ranch Rifle a few years back that was one heck of a handy gun. Barely bigger or heavier than a 10/22, I carried it in a 10/22 case and it had a Bushnell Dot scope mounted in 30mm factory Ruger rings. That little Ruger was the fastest rifle onto a target that I've ever fired and the dot scope worked very well out to 200 yards, the farthest I shot it. For rattling around on an ATV or packing by hand I think it's the handiest gun to be found. I sure wouldn't mispnd one of the new improved versions, and think a light weight dot or low power optic suits it perfectly.

Gordon
May 15, 2012, 01:55 AM
Those coyotes just won't die unless you have one of these Kali legal thangs ::evil:
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=286414341

Ridgerunner665
May 15, 2012, 01:24 PM
Youth model 243...mine is a Remington.

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