Anyone run XS Big Dot Sights on a Glock?


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Averageman
April 30, 2012, 06:51 AM
Anyone run XS Big Dot Sights on a Glock?
INital impressions, any issues, tips or techniques?

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Hangingrock
April 30, 2012, 10:32 AM
Yes I had a set on a Glock G21. I was not displeased or pleased rather ho-hum. The front sight is major plus but the shallow-V rear sight in my opinion was the ho-hum part of the equation. I must allow that others praise the system and it works for them exceptionally.

I thought the ideal combination would be the Big-Dot front sight with a 10-8 U-Notch rear sight but 10-8 does not make a sight notch width that is compatible with the Big-Dot front sight.

Sheepdog1968
April 30, 2012, 10:57 AM
I really like the XS sights and I tried a bunch of sight systems before I settled on them. If I recall correctly, a 3/16th notch in a rear sight is what you need if you want a normal rear sight. Call XS and ask. They are very helpful on the phone. Great customer service.

camsdaddy
April 30, 2012, 04:20 PM
I didn't like them the first year or so. Of course I was over thinking them. Since I have begun to focus on the front sight and press they are awesome.

REAPER4206969
April 30, 2012, 07:56 PM
Once you learn to use them, they are spectacular.

They are on my CCW 23.

camsdaddy
April 30, 2012, 08:03 PM
No doubt I knew what I was supposed to do I just didn't. I spent a lot of time trying to figure out exactly where the front and rear sight should intersect. Once I forgot about the rear sight the bullet just started going where I wanted it. Like most thing I was over thinking.

Averageman
May 1, 2012, 04:19 AM
I have them on my G17 and shot Sunday, a little practise lots of moving and shooting.
I'm not real happy as I tended to throw everything rather low on the target. I will give them another try before setting them aside for a future G26 purchase.

Shawn Dodson
May 1, 2012, 04:24 PM
I've had XS Big Dot tritium sights installed on my Glock 19s for over a decade. I prefer them over 3-dot sights and conventional sights. I wasn't sure I liked them at first. It took a couple of hundred rounds to get used to them - but after I gained experience I found them to be fast to visually acquire and accurate to shoot with.

I also have XS Big Dot tritium sights on my Remington 870.

Tips or techniques? Just follow sight alignment/sight picture instructions from XS and you'll be good to go. See - http://xssights.com/index.php?nID=help&cID=Help%2fVideos&pID=help&sID=images

Dan-O
May 1, 2012, 04:56 PM
I have em on a G22, G23, and G36. I also have em on a couple of custom carry revilolvers of mine.

shrewd
May 1, 2012, 08:02 PM
i recently training with a guy who let me try out his g19, similarly equiped with the big dot and v notch


i have to say, in a close range defensive firearm...i really dug it. if i could put them on my own carry gun i would.

i almost want to put them on my full size range gun (cz75bd) but cant bring myself too

Averageman
May 1, 2012, 09:54 PM
Putting the stock sights back on as I type.

marinetowgunner
May 1, 2012, 10:24 PM
Not on a glock but I do run them on an fullsize h&k usp and a kahr pm9. I've always liked the combat-dot sight type system. I guess learning to shoot pistol on the M9 contributed to that?

gunnutery
May 1, 2012, 10:57 PM
I've been considering using the standard dot and v notch on my G22. I have Glock night sights now, but I haven't been shooting very well with it lately. Actually I think I've always had an issue with the three dot set up. I tend to think the xs system might make it a little simpler since you'd basically be lining up two dots in line with each other in stead of three.

2zulu1
May 2, 2012, 02:08 AM
One of the Glock short falls is their sights, I learned this doing a boot drill that sheared off the rear sight on a G17. The XS tritium sights work well enough and they are stronger than the factory sights for those who practice one handed drills.

I typically train with a lot of movement and focus on the target rather than the front sight out to about 10-12 yards, but the XS sights align quickly when used.

Averageman
May 2, 2012, 06:45 AM
I found the oversized front sight to be,...well; Oversized.
I dont think you can accurately shoot at distance or speed without relearning the whole process.
I'm not knocking them, some folks I would assume like them; but I must ask, is the time and effort really worth it?

Sgt_R
May 2, 2012, 09:30 AM
I didn't like them on my G22 or G27. I sold the G27 with the sights installed, and the new owner seemed to like them pretty well. The G22 still wears the Big Dot, but only because I don't shoot it much, and haven't bothered to change them.

My go-to handguns all wear Warren Tactical Sevigny Carry sights or a Trijicon RMR RM02 with suppressor BUIS.

R

ForumSurfer
May 2, 2012, 09:38 AM
Had them, and hear is a brief summary of my feelings:

1. Yes, they work.
2. No, they aren't faster than conventional sights. If they were as great as the marketing team claims, every IDPA competitor out there would run a set.
3. They DO work at distance once you get the hang of them.
4. You'll spend quite a bit of practice time (and money) learning how to use the sights and getting to the same level of proficiency that you already were at.
5. Yep, they cover small targets at distance. Highly annoying if you like shooting small metal plates. Doable, but not as fun.
6. Most importantly...anything big dots can do, a set of sights with a wide rear notch and highly visible, narrow front post can do better and faster without requiring you to spend time getting the hang of them.

Had them, satisfied but never will buy another set. I prefer warrent tactical sevigny carry with a tritium front post or fiber optic post, depending on the use. My rears are always all black with no dots.

Shawn Dodson
May 2, 2012, 11:54 AM
You'll spend quite a bit of practice time (and money) learning how to use the sights and getting to the same level of proficiency that you already were at. Not if one follows XS's sight alignment/sight picture instructions - which I didn't at first. My initial frustration vanished instantly the moment I began following instructions. Shooters who fire my Glock 19s, and who have zero experience with XS Big Dot sights, don't have any problem getting good hits - I briefly instruct them about proper sight alignment/sight picture before they shoot.

Videos demonstrating proper XS sight alignment/sight picture:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQVCeJ103BQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AY5RURFEGd8

Yep, they cover small targets at distance. Highly annoying if you like shooting small metal plates. Doable, but not as fun. This has not been my experience because "at distance" the front sight does not cover small targets if you actually follow XS's sight alignment/sight picture instructions.

No, they aren't faster than conventional sights. If they were as great as the marketing team claims, every IDPA competitor out there would run a set. I find 3-dot sights to be visually "too busy" and slower compared to XS sights, especially in low light conditions.

Most importantly...anything big dots can do, a set of sights with a wide rear notch and highly visible, narrow front post can do better and faster without requiring you to spend time getting the hang of them That narrow front sight may be harder to see as quickly in low light conditions.

ForumSurfer
May 2, 2012, 12:51 PM
Not if one follows XS's sight alignment/sight picture instructions - which I didn't at first. My initial frustration vanished instantly the moment I began following instructions. Shooters who fire my Glock 19s, and who have zero experience with XS Big Dot sights, don't have any problem getting good hits - I briefly instruct them about proper sight alignment/sight picture before they shoot.

Guess it is debatable. :) I had an adjustment period while shooting on the move or shooting from cover at odd angles.

This has not been my experience because "at distance" the front sight does not cover small targets if you actually follow XS's sight alignment/sight picture instructions.

Don't know what to tell you. My g19 didn't hit 4" plates at 25+ yards unless I put the dot over the plate. Something I NEED to do frequently? Probably not, but it's something I enjoy so I'd prefer my defensive pistol do that.

I find 3-dot sights to be visually "too busy" and slower compared to XS sights, especially in low light conditions.

Me too. But in low light, I prefer just the tritium dot up front or at most a straight 8 set of heinies. I don't like 3 dots period. :)

That narrow front sight may be harder to see as quickly in low light conditions.

Never proved to be a problem. I acquire it just as fast as that big honkin dot. When I punch out, I see the sight and can fire as soon as my support hand is in place, I don't spend time searching for the thin post in daylight, darkness or near darkness. On the 4 count draw, the slowest part of it is me...not finding my sight. :)

I just feel that the big dot doesn't make me any faster or better in any way. I always felt like I was doing my job in spite of an over-sized dot. The only time I see them being beneficial over other good sights is when you have poor vision.

Looking at it from what you're saying, I might would say they're ok. But I have a few pistols I shoot and compete with, so I try to keep the sights consistent. Compared side by side with the heinies I had on a g19 and the big dots on another g19 that I owned at the same time, I just always scored better with the heinie equipped pistol. I sold the one with the XS and never saw enough benefit to justify the price versus a set of heinie or warren sevigny sights (I don't get the tritium in the rear, so I save money). I perform better with those after trying the XS for around 1000 rounds, so I saw no real reason to stick to big dots when I perform better with a plain black rear and a thin front in all conditions.

Striker
May 2, 2012, 01:24 PM
Agree with ForumSurfer.

Had them on 19/23s, but now run Warren Tactical on my primaries.

Having said that, I have a Beretta Tomcat (AlleyCat varient) set up with a big dot front that I really like....bury the dot COM and squeeze. It shoots minute of A zone for me out to 15 yards, but not conducive to precision shooting for me beyond that.
YMMV

saltydog452
May 2, 2012, 04:21 PM
I like them.

I have some vision problems, tri-focals, and can use the Ashley sights passably well while looking through either, or no, focal window.

salty

jp3
August 2, 2012, 05:10 PM
I struggled with them on my G36. Even when I finally figured out the sight pattern I was still inconsistent. I did like how quick that front dot was to acquire though; especially with my aging eyes.

Would I install them on my Baer? No

hentown
August 2, 2012, 05:17 PM
Tried 'em. Didn't like 'em.

meef
August 2, 2012, 10:23 PM
Averageman:Putting the stock sights back on as I type.:confused:

What the hell? Have you got three hands or something?

DougW
August 2, 2012, 10:41 PM
Big Dot 24/7's on all 5 of my Glocks. Quick, accurate for me, works well in practice or competition for me.

Averageman
August 2, 2012, 11:44 PM
Averageman::confused:

What the hell? Have you got three hands or something?
Yeah I'm pretty "handy" that way.

340PD
August 3, 2012, 01:36 PM
Maybe a compromise option.
http://www.trijicon.com/na_en/products/product1.php?id=HDNS

Certaindeaf
August 3, 2012, 03:11 PM
I've got some non-biguns that came on a used pistol (CD-HP). It's not my target gun and they work plenty fast and good enough to not warrant changing them.
On a dangerous game rifle, these type sights certainly have their proponents. That's for sure. Personally, on a dangerous game rifle/express rifle, I'd prefer an ivory or tritium front and a real big peep hole in the rear.

Bullz
August 9, 2012, 12:46 PM
This is an interesting thread. I do have a question about one of the sight configurations mentioned here. Many people are saying they prefer some kind of dot/blade with a blacked out rear notch. If your using a tritium front post with a black rear notch, how do you align your sights in the dark?

I was curious so I tried this out last night by putting some black tape over my rear tritium dots to see how it would go and I found it difficult to pick up the sights. I typically press the front sight but I would find that it would occasionally "vanish" if I didn't press perfectly... In the dark, I can't see the black rear notch. When this happened, I had to guess what side was covering it which made aiming take longer. I ran this drill for about 30 min and my success rate for a proper sight picture on a quick press was maybe 80%... not good enough. What do you guys do to keep that from happening?

I'm only curious about this because I was playing with my friends M&P which had a fiber optic front blade and black notch and it was so easy to clover leaf with that setup (in the day light). But I'm not really sure what the technique would be to quickly acquire a proper sight picture in the dark. Any insight?

Orion8472
August 9, 2012, 01:24 PM
Bullz, that is about the same I was thinking. I would rather have the "dot on top of another dot" style of tritium sight than just a plan black blade for the reason you mentioned.

Now some guys have their muscle memory worked out that what you posted isn't an issue, . . . but I'm with you on this.

ForumSurfer
August 9, 2012, 02:27 PM
This is an interesting thread. I do have a question about one of the sight configurations mentioned here. Many people are saying they prefer some kind of dot/blade with a blacked out rear notch. If your using a tritium front post with a black rear notch, how do you align your sights in the dark?

I was curious so I tried this out last night by putting some black tape over my rear tritium dots to see how it would go and I found it difficult to pick up the sights. I typically press the front sight but I would find that it would occasionally "vanish" if I didn't press perfectly... In the dark, I can't see the black rear notch. When this happened, I had to guess what side was covering it which made aiming take longer. I ran this drill for about 30 min and my success rate for a proper sight picture on a quick press was maybe 80%... not good enough. What do you guys do to keep that from happening?

I'm only curious about this because I was playing with my friends M&P which had a fiber optic front blade and black notch and it was so easy to clover leaf with that setup (in the day light). But I'm not really sure what the technique would be to quickly acquire a proper sight picture in the dark. Any insight?

I've found that when there is enough light to acquire the target, there's enough for a flash sight picture if you aren't point shooting. If there isn't enough light to acquire the target, I need more light before I can shoot anything. This is while running drills or experimenting in my own home, my home range or my yard at ranges inside 15 yards. Inside my home when I put that green dot on my target, I'm going to hit it even if my sights are slightly misaligned.

I'm sure if I tried reallllllllly hard I could find a place where I am in total darkness and my target is well lit Lying underneath a vehicle for cover in my yard comes to mind, but honestly I still see a black outline there. I guess another concern would be when transitioning from light to dark before your eyes adjust. In either case, I'm not going to feel comfortable unless I have a light source because target acquisition is going to be iffy in those scenarios. Also keep in mind that when you're looking at a target silhouette, you need to remind yourself that there is a huge difference between hitting that silhouette and positively identifying it before shooting it. Someone pointed that out to me and it was like a light came on in my head. :) The black rear sight benefits the other 99.9% of my shooting, so I'm ok with that.

Bullz, that is about the same I was thinking. I would rather have the "dot on top of another dot" style of tritium sight than just a plan black blade for the reason you mentioned.

Now some guys have their muscle memory worked out that what you posted isn't an issue, . . . but I'm with you on this.

Completely understood. That's why we need to practice, practice, practice. :) Draw and fire quickly, target transitions, shooting multiple targets after identifying them...basically anything you can do to keep you practicing firing from low and ready, from the draw and from any position you may use. Training is great, but you gotta keep practicing for retention of the skills you learn.

I can't find fault in your line of thinking. My older sights are 2 dot stack the dot. Instead of replacing them now that I'm more confident, I simply colored them in with a green sharpie. It looks mostly black, but you still see tritium at night.

I'll also admit that I doubt I would have ever switched to an all black rear if my eyes instantly focused on the front sight as I punch out at step 4 of the 4 count draw. A dot on the rear distracts my focus from the front sight no matter how much I train. It takes me a split second to shift focus, where as with an all black rear...BAM! Front sight, front sight, front sight every time instantly. :) Same thing with target handgun sights at distance, if I hold that sight picture long enough my eyes want to focus at the rear. Maybe it's my age or astigmatism, but the black rear cures me.

CommanderCrusty
August 9, 2012, 02:31 PM
I haven't tried them on a Glock, but I had them on an XD9 4". I could not get used to them. I found "Dotting the I" to be very slow for me. Much slower than standard sights. My groups also opened up about 50% and I had no confidence I could hit anything at 25 yards. I eventually traded the gun and a SR9 with standard 3 dots sights. Much better, faster and more accurate. YMMV.

Bullz
August 9, 2012, 07:24 PM
Orion and ForumSurfer,

Thanks for the thoughtful replies. I have a couple of guns that are running bar dot combat sights (which I've come to love) that I'm thinking of upgrading to night sights. Can't decide if I want that style with tritium or if I should go with 3-dot tritium like my primary. I think I would miss the rear notch on the XS sights... not sure. The standard sights work fine with a flashlight... but there's a very real advantage to tritium...

Anyway, thanks again

Averageman
August 10, 2012, 09:13 AM
In the end my uneducated theory on why it didn't work for me is that.
A) I didn't find the dotting the i any faster than finding my front sight after drawing my pistol.
B) Alligning the front sight between the rear notch isn't necassary for me to shoot close in targets. Most of the time after shooting a stage of IDPA unless I shoot at great than 15 yds I dont even use the rear sight.
C) The Dot seems too big, essentially it covers too much mass at longer distance for me to be accurate. Yes, I have seen the video on the website, but to be honest, give me enough time and ammo and I too could shoot the big dot like that.
In the end, I think if you spend enough time and shoot enough ammo you shouldn't need a "big dont". When shot placement is critical, I want a blade front sight and a pistol that I have shot thousands of rounds of practise with.

Zerodefect
August 10, 2012, 11:31 PM
XS Big Dot sights are obsolete and rattleing somewhere around the bottom of my tools and parts range box.

They were great when I was a newb. They offer really fast 7 yard aimed rapid fire shots. Now I can do the same thing without any sights at all. I need sights for range, not close up. Skinny front sight, wide rear.

Big Dots stunk at longer ranges. Slow and inaccurate. A liability.

I use a Sevigny Comp sight setup on my Glock 23 and nearly the same type of setup on all of my pistols. Usually a .156" wide notch plain rear sight. Teamed with either a .110" wide front fibre optic blade(daytime), or .125" wide front nightsight.

One dot only nightsights rule. Nothing on the rear is needed for me.

My day time setup allows me to shoot aimed slightly-rapid fire into a a piece of notebook paper at 25 yards consistantly. Plenty good for IDPA or defense.

I used to recommend the Big Dots, but I'm a much better shot now and no longer have any use for them.

rcmodel
August 10, 2012, 11:38 PM
Had one set.
Don't have them now!

They suck for any attempt at accuracy beyond bad breath & BO range.

I can do better then that without sights!

rc

Shawn Dodson
August 11, 2012, 12:46 PM
I can shoot potatoes, 1 shot/1 hit (exploding potato), no problem at 50 yards using XS Big Dot sights, with very little effort.

When I first started using them I found them to be quite frustrating. Then, after my patience had just about reached the limit, I decided to go back and read the F'n manual. I learned that I was doing it wrong. The moment I started following the instructions I was able to achieve excellent results.

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