The Media Strikes Again...Has anyone heard of this?


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allaroundhunter
April 30, 2012, 08:09 PM
President Obama was watching on a TV screen as a commando gunned down Osama bin Laden. Via a video camera fixed to the helmet of a U.S. Navy Seal, the leader of the free world saw the terror chief shot in the left eye.

The Seal then carried out what is known in the military as a ‘double tap’ – shooting him again, probably in the chest, to make certain he was dead.

Has anyone ever heard of something like that being called a 'double tap'?....


Here (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1382859/Osama-bin-Laden-dead-Photo-Obama-watching-Al-Qaeda-leader-die-live-TV.html) is a link to the full article (really isn't worth reading, IMO)

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Tommygunn
April 30, 2012, 08:13 PM
AKA "mozambiquing" the victim. It's just a common way to assure that the subject won't do a zombie-act after having been TKO'd.

allaroundhunter
April 30, 2012, 08:18 PM
I understand the extra rounds into the body to ensure that the target is down for the count, that is taught to the military. But calling it a doubletap is what I am questioning.

Ranger30-06
April 30, 2012, 08:21 PM
It's more so a SWAT/police term than military term. I've heard the term many times, but usually by commandos and never by anyone serious.

David E
April 30, 2012, 08:23 PM
Wrong application of the term.

Gimmered
April 30, 2012, 08:23 PM
What has the media done here? I need to know what I'm outraged about.

quietman
April 30, 2012, 08:23 PM
The term double tap has become very popular because of the zombie craze. It was used in "Zombieland" and other movies.

The_Next_Generation
April 30, 2012, 08:24 PM
I've only ever heard the term used in movies, particularly those of the "SHTF" variety. The first time I heard it was in the movie "Zombieland". I think this is them trying to play it up with a little BS, but that's nothing new :rolleyes:

- TNG

allaroundhunter
April 30, 2012, 08:25 PM
When I hear 'double tap', I am assuming that the person means two shots in rapid succession at the same location (AKA a controlled pair). This is more of a measure of security.

Now, I understand using a 'doubletap' to the chest as a measure of security; but calling the process of insurance shots the second half of a 'doubletap' is just something I have never heard.

dogmush
April 30, 2012, 08:35 PM
In the official training (Army anyway) we call the CQB shooting technique a "Controlled Pair". SEALS pretty much do, and name things, whatever they want.


ETA: One shot in the eye and one in the chest is either a really bad grouping, or just shooting him twice. The whole point of a controlled pair (Or Double tap) is to put two shots quickly in the same spot. What is described is more of a "Reverse 2/3rds Mozambique drill"

Carl N. Brown
April 30, 2012, 08:39 PM
From people far more qualified than I, I have heard "double tap" as two shots, rapid succession, observe effect, follow-up shot if required.

Blackstone
April 30, 2012, 08:49 PM
I watched a documentary on the British SAS, and they referred to it as the 'double tap'

loose noose
April 30, 2012, 08:53 PM
As a Range Master here in Southern Nevada, when teaching the recruits defensive tactics I use the term "double tap" when going thru a tactical course, which means when given the command to shoot they will shoot two rounds in rapid succession at the silhouette target. Simple as that. :banghead: I'm not sure what the interval was between the shot to the eye, and the shot to the chest. So I can't really say whether or not the media was incorrect in using the term "double tap". After all I wasn't there, were you?: allaroundhunter rolleyes:

EddieNFL
April 30, 2012, 09:02 PM
Doubletap was common term long before the zombie rage.

allaroundhunter
April 30, 2012, 09:07 PM
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El Tejon
April 30, 2012, 09:08 PM
Controlled pair=two shots, each placed with sight picture.

Hammer=two shots, placed with one sight picture.

Double tap=how to ask someone where the WC is. You double tap them on the shoulder, old man.

Just an incorrect or imperfect term that entered the gun culture. Double tap means controlled pair or hammer.

Hypnogator
April 30, 2012, 09:16 PM
The Seal then carried out what is known in the military as a ‘double tap’ – shooting him again, probably in the chest, to make certain he was dead.

Poor shooting. Second shot shoulda gone into his right eye! :evil: :rolleyes:

Seriously, though: If the second shot to the chest was to make sure of him, it was probably fired after he was down. Certainly wasn't necessary.:scrutiny:

More probable double-tap sequence would have been one in the chest, then the second hit him in the eye, the muzzle having climbed from the recoil. And are we sure he wasn't firing a burst full-auto, in which case the first might have hit the chest, the second the eye, and any subsequent shots went high over his head. :cool:

Kiln
April 30, 2012, 09:19 PM
What I'm wondering is why the hell would you think those <deleted> who run the media would know jack crap about anything in the first place.

You're talking about an group that classifies any black firearm as an assault weapon, calls every mag a clip, and thinks that the AK47 and AR15 are the same thing.

allaroundhunter
April 30, 2012, 09:49 PM
What I'm wondering is why the hell would you think those <deleted> who run the media would know jack crap about anything in the first place.

You're talking about an group that classifies any black firearm as an assault weapon, calls every mag a clip, and thinks that the AK47 and AR15 are the same thing

Haha, touche

Gtimothy
April 30, 2012, 09:52 PM
I think the SEAL who brought OBL to his demise showed amazing control by not emptying his weapon into him! I'm sure the desire was there! :fire:

Salmoneye
April 30, 2012, 10:04 PM
"Mozambique" is two to the chest, and one to the head...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozambique_Drill

Always has been, always will be...

hso
April 30, 2012, 10:11 PM
I'm sure the desire was there! I'm sure it wasn't. You're equating a highly trained professional to someone with common emotional control. That's not the case.

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That article dates from May 2011.

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Double tap is a controlled pair of rapid closely space shots to the COM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHzElqfzMtc). A "mozambique" or failure to stop (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1AmoZat0Bk) drill is a double tap to the chest with a quick shot to the head to ensure an enemy is put out of the fight.

I'd be surprised if the paper had enough accurate information to know if there was a rapid followup shot to the chest for insurance that ben Laden would not continue shooting or if the shot struck as ben Laden fell. Without being in the room, watching the monitor or reviewing the recording we'll never know.

Art Eatman
April 30, 2012, 10:22 PM
I first heard the term "double-tap" in 1980, during a combat pistol training course. It was common in IPSC at that time, as we commonly shot two rapid shots to the center of mass of the IPSC target as a standard thing.

303tom
April 30, 2012, 10:46 PM
Don`t surprise me at all if it is true, also does not hurt my feelings one damn bit..............Good riddance to bad rubbish.

Skribs
April 30, 2012, 11:01 PM
"Controlled Pair" is just a more PC name for "Double Tap". That shot to the chest isn't part of a double tab.

I come from a computer background, and "double click" doesn't mean clicking File and then clicking Save. It means clicking twice in rapid succession.

bluethunder1962
April 30, 2012, 11:06 PM
I have never heard it called that but have heard most law enforcement are taught two in the chest first then one in the head. But in this case it should be about 15 in the head and 15 in the chest.

Blackstone
May 1, 2012, 09:05 AM
The idea behind the double tap is two successive shots in the centre of mass because that's the easiest thing to hit. You then reassess, and take a well aimed shot to the head if required (which is the Mozambique/Failure drill)

Skribs
May 1, 2012, 04:54 PM
Hso, just because the SEAL is highly trained doesn't mean he doesn't have emotions. It's entirely possible he wanted to empty a mag and restrained himself.

Sam1911
May 1, 2012, 05:14 PM
Somebody misused a term and someone else quoted it. Errr...so what?

Somehow the image of the POTUS kickin' back to watch the live show of a solider killing a terrorist is a bit more off-putting, but that's not a THR topic.

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