How do you carry a handgun that has a decocker?


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el Godfather
May 3, 2012, 07:28 PM
Dear THR,
How do you carry a semi auto like sig, hk, etc that have a decocker? Do you carry it with live chamber? If so, do carry it sa hammer back or decocked?
Thanks

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Justin
May 3, 2012, 07:34 PM
Handguns with decockers are meant to be carried with the hammer down on a loaded chamber.

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rellascout
May 3, 2012, 07:34 PM
Decocked hammer down in DA mode with one in the chamber....

The Lone Haranguer
May 3, 2012, 07:38 PM
Hammer down on a loaded chamber, lowered by the decocker, not by thumbing down the hammer, for a double-action first shot. Using the decocker typically puts the hammer in an "intercept notch" (SIG) or in a partially cocked position (non-manual-safety CZ75s). Unless something is very wrong with the gun, the hammer cannot strike the firing pin this way. On my guns that have a safety that acts as a decocker (metal-frame S&Ws), I use them only as such and push them back up into "fire" before shooting again.

Walking Dead
May 3, 2012, 07:45 PM
Loaded chamber, hammer down.

KAS1981
May 3, 2012, 07:46 PM
Loaded chamber, hammer down, safety off on my Beretta 92FS.

NavyLCDR
May 3, 2012, 07:47 PM
Hammer down on a loaded chamber with safety off.

labhound
May 3, 2012, 08:04 PM
Loaded chamber, hammer down, safety ON. (Beretta 92FS, PX4, Stoegers 8000F and 8045).

hAkron
May 3, 2012, 08:08 PM
Hammer down, round in the chamber is the way I go. In a high stress situation I personally like the idea of a longer DA trigger pull for my first shot, and no safety to fumble with.

2wheels
May 3, 2012, 08:13 PM
If you have something like a traditional Sig or Beretta, you've really got no choice. Carrying those in SA without a manual safety is dangerous because they were never meant to be carried that way.

But there are DA guns that allow "cocked and locked" carry, HKs come to mind. Certain variants have a thumb safety that can be switched on when the gun is in SA mode and it can be safely carried that way just like you'd carry a 1911.

joecil
May 3, 2012, 08:14 PM
Well I have a couple of guns with decockers as well as 1911 and stricker fire guns. I carry every one with one in the chamber regardless. As others have said a decocker turns it from a SA to DA setup.

CharlieDeltaJuliet
May 3, 2012, 08:29 PM
Sig P220, round in the chamber, and hammer down.

BemidjiDweller
May 3, 2012, 08:49 PM
Ruger P95, loaded chamber with the safety on (Safety is also a decocker).

Walt Sherrill
May 3, 2012, 09:01 PM
I would argue that for the vast majority of the people carrying weapons, the only reason not to have a round in the chamber is to avoid an accidental (or negligent) discharge.

Almost all newer guns, and certainly all newer guns with decockers, have firing pin blocks. If equipped with a firing pin block, the gun can't fire if dropped or if the hammer is forcefully struck; it can only fire when the trigger is pulled (generally, all the way to the rear.) Most striker-fired guns have similar safety mechanisms.

Carrying any gun equipped with a firing pin block with the chamber empty assumes that the person carrying, if he needs to use the weapon, will 1) have the time needed to chamber a round, and 2) will have both hands free to do it. I don't think that is a safe assumption.

Jason_G
May 3, 2012, 09:36 PM
Handguns with decockers are meant to be carried with the hammer down on a loaded chamber.


I'd say that's true with a few exceptions. There are at least some DA/SA that also have an external safety and can be carried condition 1.

But mostly what you said. Hammer down on a loaded chamber.

Jason

Plan2Live
May 3, 2012, 10:01 PM
S&W 459 - Full mag, one in the pipe, hammer down using the decocker then flipped back into the FIRE mode. I wish S&W still made the CS9, 3913 and 5906/6906 today.

MCgunner
May 3, 2012, 10:04 PM
Hammer down, off safe, round in the chamber. All I need do is pull the trigger DA. I'd prefer a decock only like my KP90DC Ruger, but that's the only such gun I own. I carry, mostly, a DAO.

ApacheCoTodd
May 3, 2012, 10:08 PM
M-9 & Sig 230SL... Empty chamber, just me, that's it and that's that.

Sergei Mosin
May 3, 2012, 10:29 PM
A DA/SA pistol equipped with a decocker should be carried decocked. If I carried one, I would carry it with a round in the chamber and the hammer down. I might - I have not decided - also carry it with the safety engaged, if so equipped. This is not an option with most decocker-equipped pistols, but it is with my Beretta M9. At present I do not carry this pistol.

No pistol which is not equipped with a manual safety should be carried cocked with a round in the chamber. That is a dangerous practice, as it leaves nothing but a light single-action pull between you and a negligent discharge.

FMF Doc
May 3, 2012, 10:34 PM
Hammer down on a loaded chamber...anything else is either INSANELY UNSAFE, or unnecessarily slow to put in to action.

joecil
May 3, 2012, 10:44 PM
Actually not FMF as there is a hammer block or what ever they call those things. They also have a manual safety in most cases and I might add a bit harder to pull the trigger in DA mode than SA mode which it is. Now if you don't want to use the manual safety it is still as safe as a revolver or a glock for examples.

Onward Allusion
May 3, 2012, 11:07 PM
Holstered, loaded chamber, hammer down, decocker/safety off

rellascout
May 3, 2012, 11:27 PM
Actually not FMF as there is a hammer block or what ever they call those things. They also have a manual safety in most cases and I might add a bit harder to pull the trigger in DA mode than SA mode which it is. Now if you don't want to use the manual safety it is still as safe as a revolver or a glock for examples.

Where is my manual safety....

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hAkron
May 3, 2012, 11:43 PM
Where is my manual safety....



It's just below the takedown lever on your Sigs and below the slide release on your CZ. Don't pull it and the gun won't shoot. That's all the manual safety any of us needs

joecil
May 4, 2012, 12:11 AM
Or in the case of say a PT92 like shown below to decock turn the safety lever all the way down then all the way to the top notch for safety. Middle you can shoot all you want. Gun shown in picture is ready to fire just squeeze the trigger.

beatledog7
May 4, 2012, 12:15 AM
I only have one the meets the criteria, and I have never carried it. If I did, hammer down on a loaded chamber, safety off.

777TRUTH
May 4, 2012, 05:40 AM
One in the chamber 1/2 cocked in my CZ-P01

I would not recommend carrying in SA one in the chamber without a manual safety. It's an accident waiting to happen.

Walt Sherrill
May 4, 2012, 08:26 AM
One in the chamber 1/2 cocked in my CZ-P01

For those unfamiliar with CZs:

What is described above is "decocked." (If you have a decocker CZ, it decocks to the half-cock notch. And any CZ with a decocker (or any CZ in the "B" series) also has a firing pin block -- and the gun can't be fired (intentionally or accidentally) unless the trigger is pulled fully to the rear.

ku4hx
May 4, 2012, 09:06 AM
Hammer down on a loaded chamber with decocker set to enable firing. Why spend your money for such a carry piece if you're not going to fully utilize its design?

dubya450
May 4, 2012, 09:51 AM
My fnp-45 has a decocker and the double action trigger on it is actually pretty nice (for a double action) so i carry mine loaded and decocked for a DA pull then subsequent shots in SA.

balance 740
May 4, 2012, 10:29 AM
How do you carry a handgun that has a decocker?

It depends on the pistol.

If you decock a Walther P99 QA, which has a "decocker", you take the pistol out of commission until the slide is racked, so in this case, I would not decock the pistol and I would carry it in it's pre-cocked condition with one in the chamber.

All Sigs with decockers are designed to be carried decocked with a DA first shot. I would carry a Sig with a decocker, in the decocked state with one in the chamber.

I used to own an H&K USPc as well as a P30S, which both had decockers, but I carried both of them cocked and locked with one in the chamber.

It depends on the specific pistol. It would be the same as if you asked, "how do you carry a pistol with a safety?".

boomhower1820
May 4, 2012, 10:31 AM
P239. Carry with one in the chamber, it's the only way to carry. No manual safety so no carrying with the hammer back.


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JTQ
May 4, 2012, 11:04 AM
Hammer down on a loaded chamber. If it is safety equipped like an S&W TDA, Ruger P-series, Beretta 92FS, etc., I switch the safety off after the pistol has been decocked.

floydster
May 4, 2012, 12:51 PM
CZ 75 PCR--load the chamber, decock it, put the gun in your holster with a full mag--best of the best:D

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