Masterpiece Arms 5.7x28


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flyskater
May 4, 2012, 01:55 PM
Has anyone bought or handled this new gun? It has been out for about a month already. It's half the price of a FN five seven pistol and it is suppose to be solidly built. I just don't like the plastic feel of the the FN. I wish more gun manufacturers make guns for the 5.7.

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Dr.Rob
May 4, 2012, 02:33 PM
I was all excited til I saw it looked like a cheap Mac-10 kitbash. I'll pass. The Five -seveN might cost 2x as much but it will fit in a CCW holster.

Skribs
May 4, 2012, 03:13 PM
Wait, they put a muzzle break on a 5.7x28mm pistol? The pistol round that is known for light recoil and its loud noise?

I also agree with Dr Rob, I don't see the need for the butt to be that big on a pistol. I'm waiting for someone to come out with more conventional handguns that use the 5.7x28mm round, such as Glock, Springfield, S&W, Ruger, Sig, Beretta, HK, etc. In fact, I'm surprised Taurus hasn't made a 5.7x28mm clone yet.

Havok7416
May 4, 2012, 03:54 PM
With any luck this will help drive down the cost of mags (they appear to be the same as FN) and possibly but not likely the ammo as well. This may be the start of other gun manufacturers jumping on board with this round.:cool:

M2 Carbine
May 4, 2012, 04:37 PM
I'd like to see some new guns for the 5.7 but that thing is just plain ugly.

flyskater
May 4, 2012, 04:42 PM
I agree, them MPA mac style have a low score in the looks department, but they carry 20-30 rounds in a "somewhat" small package. It won't conceal very well either. I just need something that I can carry in my laptop bag along with my pocket 9mm when I m in those "iffy areas of town."

dubya450
May 4, 2012, 11:56 PM
I just bought my first Five-seveN two weeks ago, ran into another one (used) for a great price and picked that one up too because I like them so much. I haven't shot or seen the one you mentioned but if you don't like it, don't be afraid to fork the cash for the Five-seveN, I'm sure you'll love it.
And someone mentioned the ammo being expensive? Idk what price's are throughout the country but here in the Twin Cities I pick up 50 round boxes of the ss197 for $18.50. Didn't know if it sells fast or not so i didn't take any chances and picked up 1000 rounds.

Either way I would like to see more pistols and rifles chambered for the 5.7x28. I think it'd be a good varmint round as well as a good self defense and plinking round. With the right bullets for usage of course.

Justin
May 5, 2012, 12:48 AM
What does the MPA gun do better than a regular FN FiveSeven?

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Skribs
May 5, 2012, 12:51 AM
Justin - cost less. Also has a rail for sight mount.

But...its uglier than the victim of Samara from The Ring...

Havok7416
May 5, 2012, 01:33 AM
And someone mentioned the ammo being expensive? Idk what price's are throughout the country but here in the Twin Cities I pick up 50 round boxes of the ss197 for $18.50. Didn't know if it sells fast or not so i didn't take any chances and picked up 1000 rounds.

For whatever reason I can never find 5.7 in the stores near me and when I do it's always outrageous. You found a good buy by my standards. The only way I can get bulk 5.7 is to buy from Cabelas. I'm still undecided about reloading it as it apparently has a pretty narrow safety window and the dies pricey.

flyskater
May 5, 2012, 01:35 AM
MPA s are soild metal and are built like a tank. FN - plastic gun. (feels like a toy)
Here is what an FN five seven kaboom look like. This is why I do not want an FN even if they sell it at $500 as a I would like my hands and face in one piece.

http://www.armoryblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/fn-five-seven-kaboom.jpg

Havok7416
May 5, 2012, 01:49 AM
Holy crap! Was that with factory loads?

PabloJ
May 5, 2012, 01:53 AM
When I looked for goofy caliber varmint slayer I turned to four screw 4" S&W Model 53 revolver. I have not regretted that purchase.

Edarnold
May 5, 2012, 02:11 AM
MPA s are soild metal and are built like a tank. FN - plastic gun. (feels like a toy)
Here is what an FN five seven kaboom look like. This is why I do not want an FN even if they sell it at $500 as a I would like my hands and face in one piece.

http://www.armoryblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/fn-five-seven-kaboom.jpg
Looks like the remains of the case head sticking out of the chamber. Takes a way lot of pressure to open up a case like that. Plugged bore, or an unsuccessful handload, maybe?
Even so, not a great performance on the guns part in staying intact.

dubya450
May 5, 2012, 02:14 AM
The kaboom is exactly why yoy shouldn't reload for 5.7x28. I've read quite a bit about it and unless you're extremely careful and precise I wouldn't shoot anything but factory ammo. There was a thread somewhere about a guy having a kaboom and tried to blame it on the pistol firing out of battery (which he couldnt prove) but he WAS shooting reloads WAY over the Max pressure limits. He even tried to get a replacement gun from FN even tho they specificly say DO NOT FIRE HANDLOAD/RELOADS. ONLY GOOD CONDITION FACTORY AMMO!
If you want a high quality pistol go with the FN. I have no experience with the MPA but i highly doubt its even on the same level as the FN.

Flyskater - I wouldn't let that one "kaboom" scare you away from the Five-seveN. It may feel cheap because of all the polymer used but i can't say enough about the quality of the two I own, and my FN fnar and FN fnp-45 for that matter. They make a very high quality weapon. Did you read the article that goes with the kaboom? It sounds like it was 100% the shooters fault for not knowing what he was doing loading the finicky 5.7 ammo. From what I understand its very touchy.

Havok7416
May 5, 2012, 02:24 AM
From what I have read about reloading the 5.7 it seems like the factory developed a round that only they could replicate reliably. I really enjoy my FS and I have taught more than a few people how to shoot using it.

Snowdog
May 5, 2012, 02:38 AM
Glocks, Sigs, Kimbers... just about any pistol will KB in spectacular fashion if the conditions are right.

ApacheCoTodd
May 5, 2012, 02:48 PM
Bad as that pistol is, I'm glad they aren't showing the trigger finger.

PabloJ
May 5, 2012, 02:50 PM
Glocks, Sigs, Kimbers... just about any pistol will KB in spectacular fashion if the conditions are right.
Are you sure about that? This looks like tough act to follow.

Ash
May 5, 2012, 05:38 PM
Yeah, most KB!'s that happen seem to merely blow out the magazine, sometimes more, but this one blew itself literally to pieces. Common? Design defect, probably not. KB!s sometimes happen.

gunnutery
May 6, 2012, 03:47 AM
I wish more gun manufacturers make guns for the 5.7

I also wish more would jump on board. I was first excited to hear that more companies would put some 5.7x28 guns out, but why use a uzi/mac10 style? For some reason I've always hated the uzi style.

I guess I was looking for a more traditional/practical looking firearm.

Ash
May 6, 2012, 09:31 AM
The trouble is that the length of the round precludes using current models. A new frame would be required - and that is expensive.

Rodentman
May 6, 2012, 09:58 AM
I have no issues reloading the 5.7. I consider myself an experienced reloader but not an "expert." Yes, care is needed to resize the brass, as well as trimming it, and removing the staking of the primer pocket. I don't push the charge to the max, and I don't reload brass more than twice.

I think all gun mfrs "warn" not to use reloads.

Jason_G
May 6, 2012, 10:43 AM
Takes a way lot of pressure to open up a case like that. Plugged bore, or an unsuccessful handload, maybe?

The guy that posted that pic on the 5.7 forum claimed he was shooting factory rounds. I suppose there could've been a plugged bore from a squib or something. Who knows.


As for the Masterpiece Arms pistol, I'll pass.


Jason

Bubba613
May 6, 2012, 11:59 AM
MPA must hire rejects to design their guns. Ihaven't seen one yet I'd buy. Their new "Protector" looked like a great idea. Until I shot one. Painful recoil on top of the usual negatives for a small pistol. Not accurate, bullet key holed.

FIVETWOSEVEN
May 6, 2012, 01:39 PM
The guy that posted that pic on the 5.7 forum claimed he was shooting factory rounds. I suppose there could've been a plugged bore from a squib or something. Who knows.

We won't know for sure but I have heard of people claiming it was factory to cover up the fact that they messed up big time when reloading.

Jason_G
May 6, 2012, 05:17 PM
We won't know for sure but I have heard of people claiming it was factory to cover up the fact that they messed up big time when reloading.

Well that is an obvious possibility, but I can't call the guy a liar when I have no evidence to refute his story.


Jason

TimboKhan
May 6, 2012, 05:30 PM
Ha! True on both counts, but man...

Honestly, I am not just bashing but I don't know that I would spend twenty dollars on that pistol. God bless anyone who sees that and starts screaming in glee while ripping cash out of their wallet, but definitely not for me.

MachIVshooter
May 7, 2012, 01:45 AM
Well, I don't find the MPA to be any uglier than the Five-seveN. Larger and more cumbersome, definitely, but equally unattractive.

The only gun I'd consider in this chambering would be the Excel MP-5.7. With it's 8.5" tube and decent heft, plus top rail, I think it'd make a dandy praire dog pistol for shooting at closer ones from the truck window. A bit less awkward and quieter than my PLR-16.

http://www.kygunco.com/prodimages/30636-DEFAULT-L.jpg

My PMR-30 would work well for this, too, except it lacks any way to attach a real scope, like a burris 1.5-4x.

PabloJ
May 7, 2012, 04:56 AM
It's no uglier then Browning, S&W and Ruger s/a .22 rimfires that are out there.

macman
May 7, 2012, 08:58 PM
I just bought one of these MPA57sst pistols.

Great Weapon. Put about 300 rounds through it so far. No failures of any kind. Super low recoil, very accurate, and although the muzzle brake seems like overkill, it does reduce the muzzle rise to almost nothing.

Installed a holosight and was plinking 4" metal discs at 50 yards consistently.

Paid about $500 for the piece and ran only FH 40 grain ammo through it so far.

I must say, its a very well built weapon. No chance of a hot load blowing this thing up. Built like a tank.

Also, many dont seem to like the MAC design and discount the appeal, but I own 3 MPA Macs and find them to be very well built, all cnc machined, and all have worked flawlessly. Normally the ones that dont like these have not had the pleasure of shooting one.

Its not a CCW whatsoever, but for plinking and possibly home defense (maybe not the 5.7 round), great weapons.

flyskater
May 7, 2012, 09:37 PM
Macman
is the frame made of polymer or metal. Also, how much does it weigh?
thanks

FIVETWOSEVEN
May 7, 2012, 11:08 PM
I'm hoping that someone else will hop on the boat and make a conventional handgun chambered in this round for around $500.

Swing
May 7, 2012, 11:12 PM
Looks like pure fun.

MachIVshooter
May 8, 2012, 12:52 AM
It's no uglier then Browning, S&W and Ruger s/a .22 rimfires that are out there.

The picture I posted is not the Master Piece Arms gun; It's an Excel MP57

The MPA is not as nice looking:

http://www.floridaarmory.com/image.php?type=P&id=1224

PabloJ
May 8, 2012, 01:03 AM
The picture I posted is not the Master Piece Arms gun; It's an Excel MP57

The MPA is not as nice looking:

http://www.floridaarmory.com/image.php?type=P&id=1224

:barf:

ApacheCoTodd
May 8, 2012, 01:20 AM
The humanity!!!!!!.......

Skribs
May 8, 2012, 01:24 PM
As to looks, I personally think 5-7 > MPA > Excel, but that's just me.

Is anyone else surprised that macman owns macs? Gonna go out on a limb and say you own an iphone (ba-dum tsh).

On a more serious note, MAC, I can see the appeal for HD, but if I'm going to get a handgun for HD, I'm going to get one that I can carry as well. If I get a weapon purely for HD its going to be a rifle or shotgun.

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