Shooting a horse, to test the power of your Rifle?


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Usertag
May 4, 2012, 02:13 PM
I heard rumors that 100 or so years ago. That they used to count how long it took one round of a gun, to kill a horse; to test the power of the firearm/round. Is this true? If so, What was the name of the test? How long ago did they do this (exactly)? What measurement of time did they use (seconds, minutes, hours)? If your not understanding my question an example is. It took 24 seconds for my .357 Magnum to kill that horse.


Please answer these questions, if you know them.
- Is this true?
- What was the name of the test?
- How long ago did they do this (exactly)?
- What measurement of time did they use (seconds, minutes, hours)?

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Sam1911
May 4, 2012, 02:26 PM
Might want to take a look at this: http://www.thegunzone.com/strasbourg.html

hso
May 4, 2012, 02:30 PM
Rumors are usually wrong and comprehensive scientifically defensible data on lethality of ammunition wasn't collected until relatively recently.

I'd ask yourself if there was a choice between hogs, sheep or goats and the much more expensive horse would you expect someone to purchase 100 horses or 100 sheep for such testing.

thedriver101
May 4, 2012, 04:21 PM
I think you're referring to the "Thompson/La Garde Test" from which they settled on a .45 caliber weapon (prior to the adoption of the 1911). I can't find the exact details right now, but I believe they did shoot live animals (among other things) in the process.

Certaindeaf
May 4, 2012, 04:23 PM
Back not even long ago, they'd shoot goats and sheep to doctor up.

Certaindeaf
May 4, 2012, 04:25 PM
Back in "those" tests, they found that a 3" ball worked about the best. That went through the animal and it died very quickly.

FIVETWOSEVEN
May 4, 2012, 04:26 PM
I'd imagine that after the first test, it would be just beating a dead horse.

dogrunner
May 4, 2012, 04:27 PM
Or choosing the least weevil!!!

Certaindeaf
May 4, 2012, 04:30 PM
The term "BBQ gun" came to be. And all was good and tasty.

Certaindeaf
May 4, 2012, 04:39 PM
The Samurai had "three body blades" and we have "five horsemen of the paco lips".
Well, that's not even funny.
Happy cinco de mayo/drinking day!

Buck Kramer
May 4, 2012, 06:38 PM
Post #4 is correct, there is almost a whole chapter about those tests in "The Gun" by C.J Chivers. Kinda goes without saying, but I recommend the book.

SabbathWolf
May 4, 2012, 06:41 PM
The Samurai had "three body blades" and we have "five horsemen of the paco lips".
Well, that's not even funny.
Happy cinco de mayo/drinking day!

cinco de mayo is the 5th....lol

blindhari
May 4, 2012, 07:02 PM
Hello,
I can't remember where but I seem to remember that the Tsarist Russian 1895 Nagant revolver was required to prove that it could make a one shot kill on a horse at 35". I am still looking for the article. At time of testing, pre 1900, this was easily tested by using a horse with problems or using a healthy one that was going to be butchered for dinner. Remember this was a Russian army requierment listed prior to 1895. This gun is sold as a C&R now and russian ammo is available. Condition of revolver is pretty good and ammo price is variable. Best work around I have found is using 32-20 brass resized through a special set of Lee dies. It is accurate, built like a tank and about $100. After all this time they still work well, Ivan was never a fool.

blindhari

gwsut
May 4, 2012, 07:21 PM
I was once ask to shoot a bull that had got out and become very wild .... difficult to get within 200 yds of the animal. I declined as I wasn't sure I had enough rifle to put in down, wasn't sure where to shoot it, didn't want to shoot it anyway!

Tinpig
May 4, 2012, 08:18 PM
I had to shoot my wife's favorite horse who had been hit by a truck, had a broken leg, was bleeding internally, and suffering badly. No vet available.
I used a .30-30 centered on an imaginary X on the forehead drawn from each ear to the opposite eye. It worked as you would want it to.
One of the sadder days of my life.

Tinpig

Happypuppy
May 4, 2012, 09:24 PM
I think you're referring to the "Thompson/La Garde Test" from which they settled on a .45 caliber weapon (prior to the adoption of the 1911). I can't find the exact details right now, but I believe they did shoot live animals (among other things) in the process.

Yes I had heard of it as well

http://www.sightm1911.com/lib/history/background.htm


Sent from my 300 baud modem

303tom
May 4, 2012, 09:31 PM
Actually Price Per Pound, Sheep cost the most at over 4.00 per lb.

jfrey
May 4, 2012, 11:45 PM
When faced with one of these occassional unpleasantries I always puck one of my .45's and a well placed Gold Dot always does the job quickly. For a bull at 200 yds, I would undoubtedly pick my 30.06 with a good rest. 7mag or .300 mag would also be a good choice.

49north
May 5, 2012, 01:31 AM
I have put down horses using a 357, aiming for the center of an x of the animal's ears and eyes. Works rather quickly.

SabbathWolf
May 5, 2012, 01:37 AM
I've only had to shoot a dog.
My dog.
And it broke my heart.
But the .45acp did it's job.
I realize there's a huge difference between a dog and a horse however.
But the dog weighed in at 135lbs.
That's pretty close to human weight in some cases.

Hossfly68
May 5, 2012, 01:41 AM
"my horse broke his leg and I had to shoot him. Now, he's got a broke leg and a bullet wound. If he don't get better quick, I'm gonna shoot him again."

Anybody else hear Larry the Cable Guy saying the words when they read em?
Just me?
Ok, nevermind......

Husker1911
May 5, 2012, 01:51 AM
In my ramblings I've heard the SAA .45 Colt was a respected horse-downer. I'ts very little realized how in a running battle how advantageous it was to shoot your opponent's horse. The word I've heard is that the Long Colt was a fairly effective sidearm with the power to down a horse.

I've also heard, can't confirm, that in the century old trials of the 1911 that it may have been tried upon an equestrian example.

In my first long-time job, in the eighties, the plant manager was elderly and in rare moments of camaraderie, mentioned his still seething hatred of being trained, in the post WWI era, to ensure the horse pulling the gun was first fitted with its gas mask. He didn't hate the horses, but still complained the realization a horse was the more valuable warm body anywhere near the front line.

dprice3844444
May 5, 2012, 07:50 AM
poor animals,when politicians would have been much cheaper

4v50 Gary
May 5, 2012, 07:58 AM
Before smokeless powder came out, wood planks was the standard media.

btg3
May 5, 2012, 01:34 PM
poor animals,when politicians would have been much cheaper
that's going to be highly dependent on whether lawyers are involved...but likely you are still correct ;)

Ky Larry
May 5, 2012, 05:36 PM
We used my dad's K-22 revolver to kill hogs for butchering. One round between the eyes was all that was needed.
I read somewhere that the German Army used hog carcasses to develope their steel jacketed bullets prior to WWI but I can't recall the source.

bushmaster1313
May 5, 2012, 11:51 PM
I read a post by someone who put a supermarket turkey in denim material and then shot it with a .22

He said it went clean through.

ScrapMetalSlug
May 6, 2012, 12:03 AM
edit

Sam1911
May 6, 2012, 08:06 AM
I you're satisfied with the credibility of the Strasbourg tests, they took place in 1991.

Readyrod
May 7, 2012, 10:39 AM
A .22 in the forehead did the job on cows on the farm I worked on. I'd want something considerably bigger for a bull tho, those suckers are huge, and mean.

303tom
May 7, 2012, 12:46 PM
A .22 to the head won`t kill a goat............(experience)

hang fire
May 7, 2012, 06:05 PM
Sounds like a lot of horse shot to me.

Certaindeaf
May 7, 2012, 06:13 PM
Yea, they discovered the .22lr is the shiz through the lungs.

Swing
May 7, 2012, 06:18 PM
Sent from my 300 baud modem

LOL! Oh those were the days.

Certaindeaf
May 7, 2012, 06:20 PM
^
Bandwidth hog. Feh.

pat701
May 30, 2012, 07:07 PM
100 years ago horses cost money.

Robert
May 30, 2012, 09:34 PM
Down to talking about bandwidth and modems means we are done.

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