9mm carry


Buck Kramer
May 4, 2012, 07:37 PM
I'm looking for a companion to my 9mm XD Service, I want to stick with 9mm because of its availability, and I reload 9mm. I'm looking for a smaller 9 mm for CCW. Here's what I'm considering. I cannot be talked into anything Kel-Tec or the Ruger LC9.

XD Subcompact
Ruger SR9c
Smith and Wesson Shield
Glock 26
Talk me into something else

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May 4, 2012, 07:44 PM
Kahr PM9.

May 4, 2012, 07:46 PM
Nope. Hit My top choice right off the bat. Ruger SR9c

Walking Dead
May 4, 2012, 07:53 PM
G26. I just think its a must for everybody.

May 4, 2012, 07:56 PM
If you're happy with your XD I'd stick with the XD subcompact. Same grip angle and function you're familiar with.

But then again you may just be looking for an excuse to get something different. Totally valid and understandable too.

May 4, 2012, 08:01 PM
G26? You'll SHOOT YOUR LEG OFF with that thing. :D If you try to pocket that brick, you'll shoot your....oh, never mind.

Well, since you don't like the small 9s I prefer, how about a Beretta M9 (92)? That's a BIG gun. You seem to not need anything pocket sized. :D

Ala Tom
May 4, 2012, 08:43 PM
I could not find a 9mm I liked except for the SR9C. The G26 had a recoil just a little too sharp but I felt I could learn to shoot it if there was nothing else. But I was a little less than confident carrying a 9 mm. Then I found the SR40C is the same size as the SR9C but in 40SW. It won the contest: still concealable (with an IWB) but powerful. It might replace my MP40FS as my general defense gun.

May 4, 2012, 08:44 PM
O.K. I'll go with Byrd666 and second the SR9C. It's a great gun and I believe the best value for the dollar. My has been flawless and it's comfortable to shoot. But if you want small that's not brutal, it's hard to beat the Kahr .

May 4, 2012, 09:54 PM
Well, I own an XDm-9 3.8" compact, the Shield, and until recently the G26. Of the three of them the Shield is my new favorite. Superbly accurate gun for a 3.1 inch barrel with a tiny grip. Here is a range report of the Shield, It groups amazingly at 14 yards and even quite well at 25 yards: http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=657752

May 4, 2012, 10:01 PM
Kahr pm9 would be my vote

May 4, 2012, 10:01 PM
A friend/co-worker just bought a Diamondback DB9... I haven't shot it but it feels good and is nice and compact... he seems to like it a lot and it has become his regular carry gun.

May 4, 2012, 10:02 PM
If I were you I'd go with the XD compact. No better companion for the gun you already have. If you already had a full size Glock, Ruger, S&W, Taurus or whatever I'd say stick with the same brand, and caliber, if it's working for you. Myself, I already had a GP100 so for CCW I went with an SP101.

May 4, 2012, 10:03 PM
Another vote for the SR9c. Not one hiccup, fits my hand better than any gun I've ever shot, more accurate than I can be. Regardless of price (which, BTW is lower than the other choices), it would have been my first choice.

May 4, 2012, 10:03 PM
XD9sc , you could use the mags from your XD service for the XD9sc just a thought,one
thing that is the most important for ccw is a good holster. A good holster will make all
the difference in the world.

May 4, 2012, 10:09 PM
Just got a M&P Shield. Absolutely love it.


May 4, 2012, 11:18 PM
I've never carried the Ruger or the Smith, but have carried both the Glock and the Springfield. In the end, I settled for a Kahr. It has decent capacity, is small and slim. It's just plain more comfortable to carry. The DAO trigger is very smooth and consistent as well.

May 4, 2012, 11:52 PM
Walther PPS. Beats the pants off any other concealing nine. It's thin and reasonably light, but still has enough structure to be shot well.

May 5, 2012, 02:43 AM
I'd personally go with a S&W M&P9c only because I'm thrilled with my M&P40c I purchased last year. The shine's still on the apple. I'm sure the S&W9c is equally as nice.

May 5, 2012, 06:01 AM
I second the Walther PPS. It is on my list, but I will also look at the new M&P Shield.

Nothing wrong with a G26, but being double stack a little chunkier than the above.

May 5, 2012, 10:04 AM
I voted for the XD subcompact. Since you already have a XD, there's the advantage of familiarity AND magazine compatability. However, for a CCW, you should consider something that DOES NOT have a 'safe action trigger system' without a manual safety, regardless of the brand name. I personally carry a Kel-Tec P11, and would choose it over the Ruger LCP, but since you don't want either of them, you might consider a Charter Arms CARR in 9mm.

May 5, 2012, 10:43 AM
Try to find a s&w 3913. If not. I would go with the shield.

May 5, 2012, 11:01 AM
The G26 has an impeccable track record and is a very mild, easy to shoot, concealable and versatile pistol. Since its inception, it has been the sub-compact 9mm that all others are measured against. Even if Glock grip angles don't work for you, they are easy to get along with. Honestly, no one has really come out with anything that blows it out of the water. Why fight it?

Redneck with a 40
May 5, 2012, 11:18 AM
Since I own an SR9-C and its awesome, I'd vote for that. The SR40-C would probably be a good shooter too.

May 5, 2012, 11:29 AM
Glock 26....easy answer for me

May 5, 2012, 11:32 AM
I voted for the Shield. It's probably gonna be me CCW. Second choice of those listed would've been the XD.

May 5, 2012, 11:38 AM
Stick with something that has the same grip angle and manual of arms so that you're training transfers completely.

May 5, 2012, 11:47 AM
It's all subjective, but I'm a fan of the Ruger SR9c. The trigger is awesome and I like the way it sits in my hand. Thinner than the G26, which I looked at also.

May 5, 2012, 11:52 AM
If you have to go with the options listed, I would try the Shield (but I have yet to fire one), but after years of research and trying virtually all available options, I went with the PPS by Walther, and it has been fabulous. I would also try the new Bersa 9mm as well....if I were to do this all over again today

May 5, 2012, 09:15 PM
While I dont like to carry IWB, if you do the choices are infinite. As for me, I prefer to pocket carry so my favorites are Beretta Nano, PM9, or P380. I use a DeSantis Nemisis pocket holster for each. I have not experienced a single failure with these guns after firing the required number of break-in rounds. If I carry Using a belt holster I usually go with my PPS. I also own a G26, XD9sc, PX4sc, but find them a bit thick for concealed carry.

May 5, 2012, 09:35 PM


May 5, 2012, 10:21 PM
Robbins290 nailed it. Find a new or used S&W 3913/14 with two or three mags and you will never look back.

May 6, 2012, 12:10 AM
Kahr CW9 every time.

May 6, 2012, 12:15 AM
Another vote fora Kahr 9mm. I like the CM9 and pocket carry it everyday.

May 6, 2012, 02:10 AM
OP has an XD9. The XD9c is 13+1 or can use the same mags. The XD9c is big "subcompact" IMO. Owned one. Not my first choice, or even close. The Glock 26 is smaller. For real small in 9mm I suggest the Kahr PM9.

May 6, 2012, 02:13 AM

Rami 2075 out of the question? Got my heart set on one. Compared to a G26

May 6, 2012, 02:32 AM
got an sr9c for the wife a while back and we both love it! i think i may have to get one for myself. i usually carry a glock 22 (have carried the 27 and still do on occasion) but the ruger is just so much more comfotable in the hand and it shoots very well!

May 6, 2012, 08:59 AM
Have it and carry it. Works like a champ.

May 6, 2012, 10:07 AM
I carried a Beretta 92 for about 4 years. I have also carried a RIA/Armscor MAPP1 MS (similar to the EA Witness P). Currently I carry either a Taurus PT 111 Pro or a RIA 1911 compact in 45 ACP. I've also carried a PT911 and a PT92 depending on my dress, mode or just to swap out guns for a day. My only rule is they fire at least 1000 rounds of various ammo without problem before I completely trust any gun regardless of maker.

The Bushmaster
May 6, 2012, 10:14 AM
Kimber Ultra Compact in 9mm X 19...

May 6, 2012, 12:57 PM
G26, it's reliability is tops. Can take larger capacity magazines. Carries fantastic in a Comp Tac Mtac IWB.

May 6, 2012, 01:59 PM
( Kahr PM 9 ) Have it and carry it. Works like a champ.
Me too. Thousands of rounds through it, no complaints

May 6, 2012, 02:51 PM
I think you'll find that the Ruger SR9c isn't THAT much smaller than the XD Service model. And since you already have an XD, I voted Glock 26.

As far as other potential options, I have experience with the Taurus PT-111 (Millennium Pro) and it has been positive. I find them comfortable, slightly more concealable than the XD or the Glock, with still maintaining 12+1 capacity. Also, you're looking at saving $150. Intuition tells me this makes it a "lesser" gun, except that my experience with the PT-111 has been very positive while my experience with the G26 has been more unfortunate.

Also, if you don't mind hammer-fired, the Beretta PX4 Storm, Sub-Compact, is a SWEET pistol! I'd say it's between the Taurus and the Glock/XD in size.

May 6, 2012, 02:54 PM
I am a huuuuge fan of the PPS, but I am an HK guy so the mag release isn't an issue for me.

If you prefer a push-button mag release then get a Glock 26.

Trad Archer
May 6, 2012, 06:52 PM

May 6, 2012, 07:06 PM
Kahr PM9 or K9 would be my top pick
Ruger SR9c is also great
MP shield is another viable option

May 6, 2012, 07:13 PM
CZ 75 Compact for me,about as small as I wissh to go in an aoyo . Sometimes a J frame. Just me YMMV.

May 6, 2012, 07:17 PM
Wait for the xds in 9mm. They look awesome!!!!

deputy tom
May 6, 2012, 07:44 PM
Happy with an XD? Go for an XDSC.tom.:D

Old krow
May 6, 2012, 07:49 PM
I'm partial to the Sig P239. It's a little bigger than much of what you have listed, but it isn't too big to conceal.

May 6, 2012, 11:26 PM
Glock 19. I like having just a bit more sight radius, grip to hang on to & a few more rounds never hurts. I don't find it any harder to conceal either. The 26 is good; I just prefer the 19 over it.

May 7, 2012, 12:53 AM
I've carried my LC9 for nearly a year now and have fired over 600 rounds through it without a hitch. It's capacity is 7+1 which isn't as large as many 9mms but it's very easily concealed. With its hammer fired DAO action it doesn't need a safety though there is one on the gun. With its 3.12" barrel I find mine to be accurate at 25yds which is about as far as I practice with it. I don't miss a pop can very often at that distance. That should be good enough for a SD gun anyway. Pros: reasonably priced, reliable, very compact, light, easily concealable, backed well by Ruger. Cons: not a high capacity magazine, the DAO is a long pull trigger like a double action revolver.

Erik M
May 7, 2012, 12:58 AM
im packing a Glock 19 right now, but Im switching to a 33 soon to get a smaller weapon.

May 7, 2012, 12:12 PM
Walther PPS.

May 7, 2012, 06:40 PM
BUCK KRAMER: You might want to take a look at a KAHR CW9. That series you can shoot lead reloads if you want. The little pistole is +P rated easily concealed, low felt recoil, a great trigger, supper accurate. My Wife and I each have one and we are extremley impressed and satisfied with this little pistol. And we shoot them a lot and I reload for 9MM, they are very light and I carry mine most all the time every day.

May 7, 2012, 08:57 PM
Here is my review on the Shield. It just became my new CCW.


Spanky Albert
May 8, 2012, 11:43 AM
I have seen A LOT of positive reviews on the SR9c. Apparently Ruger has incorporated the changes they made in the compact into the full size and as a result, the full size is running better because of it. Hickok45 did a great review of the SRc on Youtube.


May 8, 2012, 12:19 PM
My recommendations in this order:

Walther PPS .40 S&W - best choice (I talked my son into buying one of these and he loves it)

S&W 3913 or 4013 - best compact all metal gun made

SIG P239 (best current production all metal compact

S&W M&P 40C
S&W Shield (better triggers than Rugers, good customer svc.)

CZ Rami

Ruger SR40C (great value, quality, customer service)
Ruger SR 9C

Several others,


May 8, 2012, 12:52 PM
If I were after a smaller 9mm i would look at the following guns. Much of it subjective. However, assuming that the particular one in question is in good operating order there is not a bad choice among them and I would carry any of them.

The kahr K/P/CW 9: This gun is just about the perfect size carry gun IMHO. It is large enough to shoot and manipulate it fairly easily, yet small and thin enough that it hides well under just a T-shirt. Price wise the CW9 is a winner. It sales for $350 new around here. It is a very good carry gun period and real hard to beat at that price.

Walther PPS: This is another gun that falls in that sweet spot size wise.

Glock 26: This is one that I very frequently carry, It is a bit thicker than the guns above but not much. One nice thing is it takes mags from any of the larger glocks. Also glocks have far and away the best aftermarket support. There is an argument that if you can carry a 26 then a 19 is just as easily carried. I think that is often true with any of the sub compact versions of guns that have slightly larger compact versions. That said, I shoot the G26 as well as a 19 and it does offer some added versatility and sometimes being only a bit smaller makes something conceal much better.

Springfield EMP: A Savy shopper could get a CW9 and a G26 for the price of this gun. It is not cheap. However, it is a nice gun and a sweet shooter. If one likes 1911s this is a very nicely sized gun and easy to carry.

Steyr S9: This is a gun that is similar to the G26. I always believe that anyone considering a glock or other striker fired polymer gun owes it to themselves to to give a hard look at the Steyrs. I personally find that my steyr compares very favorably to my glocks. I like the grip better, the trigger better and the extremely low bore axis makes for a soft shooting gun and fast followups. The first time someone recommended a steyr M9 to me, I didn't even give it any consideration because I had never heard of it, I was after a Glock, an XD, or a S&W M&P. I am very glad that a year later I actually started to investigate it and then bought one. I've had many people that claim to loath glocks shoot my steyr and like it. Some even bought their own afterwards.

The shield looks interesting, and is likely a good gun, but is new enough I would pass on it for now, particularly given the existence of the Walther and the Kahrs.

I'd look at the XD since you have a bigger one.

If you want something much smaller then I'd consider the Kahr Cm/PM 9.

May 8, 2012, 12:54 PM
I voted S&W Shield but the XDM compact is a really sweet little carry piece.

bdb benzino
May 8, 2012, 01:01 PM
BUCK KRAMER: You might want to take a look at a KAHR CW9. That series you can shoot lead reloads if you want. The little pistole is +P rated easily concealed, low felt recoil, a great trigger, supper accurate.

+1. I really have to emphasize the CW 9 it's great.

May 8, 2012, 01:06 PM
Any 3rd gen S&W like the 6906 or 6904. I just bought a police trade-in 6904 for $280. One word DEPENDABILITY.

May 8, 2012, 03:57 PM
Sig P239 SAS Gen II

If it has to be polymer, go with the PPS.

May 8, 2012, 06:01 PM
I'm going to attempt to carry my new Glock 32. It's a 9, but with more oomph. :)

May 9, 2012, 10:59 PM
If it has to be polymer, go with the PPS.

If you can manage that wonky mag release. I can't stand it!

June 2, 2012, 05:32 PM
Rohrbaugh R9S for a pocket 9. Kahr has some nice, slim, mid-size guns.

el Godfather
June 3, 2012, 03:37 PM
Walther PPS.

June 3, 2012, 07:15 PM
S&W M&P 9c. Lighter than the Ruger, greater capacity than the Glock. Good Luck~ they're all fine guns!

June 3, 2012, 07:31 PM
When I carry a 9mm I carry a Glock 19

June 3, 2012, 08:57 PM
I don't often carry 9mm, but when I do, it's a Kahr PM9.

June 3, 2012, 09:18 PM
Rohrbaugh R9
Kahr PM9 / CM9
Boberg XR9-S "Shorty" ???

June 3, 2012, 11:06 PM
Sig Sauer P938

June 5, 2012, 06:18 PM
I don't often carry 9mm, but when I do, it's a Kahr PM9.

How interesting. You might even say the MOST interesting ...

I agree, except the part about not often carrying a 9mm. I love my PM9, and a friend just bought a CW9. Hopefully I'll have a chance to compare them soon.

June 5, 2012, 06:27 PM
Pocket Carry a Kahr CM9. Very happy with it, easy to pocket carry.

June 5, 2012, 06:47 PM
Sig P239 because it is a Sig.

June 5, 2012, 06:56 PM
I always carry full-size, I just got an XD-9 full size for my wife to try for purse carry.

July 31, 2012, 06:43 PM
Rohrbaugh R9
Kahr PM9 / CM9
Boberg XR9-S "Shorty" ???

Regarding your Rohrbaugh - is it really limited to a few hundred rounds before the barrel is deemed "unsafe"? I heard that from a friend but hadn't seen it posted anywhere yet. I have no experience with it though.

July 31, 2012, 07:04 PM
Actually, the Rohrbaugh slide spring takes a significant set after 200 rounds - there is nothing wrong with the barrel. The larger diameter spring of its "Seecamp style" telescoping spring assembly is 3-4 coils short of a long-life spring. I may be biased, but I did reverse-engineer their spring assembly to find this out. The problem would be cured if Rohrbaugh were to change the design to two counter-wound nested springs - the same as what Kel-Tec uses in their pocket pistols.

July 31, 2012, 07:58 PM
Thanks for clarifying. I was impressed with Rohrbaugh - that's why I was surprised to hear of such a deficiency in the design.

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