Off the shelf conical bullet


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kohana
May 4, 2012, 10:39 PM
I would like to load a 200-250 conical bullet in my 1858. can I buy a suitable bullet?

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arcticap
May 4, 2012, 11:21 PM
Buffalo Bullets use to make .451 round nose 180 grain pistol bullets which Cabela's does sell some sizes of. But the size that Cabela's sent to me were .457's for the Ruger Old Army. Even though they show a photo of a box of .451's on their product page, their diameter isn't stated in the description and I was surprised to receive the larger Ruger bullets instead.

http://www.cabelas.com/product/Shooting/Black-Powder/Sabots-Bullets|/pc/104792580/c/104701680/sc/104547780/Buffalo-Bullet-Conical-Black-Powder-Revolver-Bullets/1222794.uts?destination=%2Fcatalog%2Fbrowse%2Fshooting-black-powder-sabots-bullets%2F_%2FN-1100204%2FNs-CATEGORY_SEQ_104547780%3FWTz_l%3DSBC%253Bcat104701680

However their lack of availability may have been because Buffalo Bullets went out of production for a while and then started production back up at a new location, so there's a good possibility that they're making the .451 pistol bullets again.

Buffalo Bullet is back in buisness contact your local gun shops for details Ron Dahlitz has moved his company to Los Angeles Ca phone number is 323-585-5058 ext 223 thanks

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=566244&page=2&highlight=buffalo

Or else contact Cabela's to see which size Buffalo pistol Bullets that they're selling since they may have simply sent me the wrong size, but I'm not sure.
Please let us know what you can find out about their availability. :)

Skinny 1950
May 4, 2012, 11:41 PM
Try Track of the Wolf, click on ammunition and at the top there is a listing for bullets for .36 .44 and .45 cal cap and ball revolvers. They are .451 diameter and 180 grains weight.
I have an 1858 Remington carbine which is the same action as the Army ( I think) and the chambers measure .446 so the bullets might be a bit tight.
I tried conical's in my 1851 Navy and they were really hard to load and weren't as accurate as the balls, I really should try to resize the base so they drop in to the first groove and make loading a lot easier.

arcticap
May 4, 2012, 11:46 PM
The Buffalo Bullets are advertised as having reduced heels for easier loading.
And they're knurled or crosshatched which will make them easier to ram.

They are prelubricated with an all-natural lubricant and their heels are reduced to aid concentric cylinder reloading.

http://www.cabelas.com/product/Shooting/Black-Powder/Sabots-Bullets|/pc/104792580/c/104701680/sc/104547780/Buffalo-Bullet-Conical-Black-Powder-Revolver-Bullets/1222794.uts?destination=%2Fcatalog%2Fbrowse%2Fshooting-black-powder-sabots-bullets%2F_%2FN-1100204%2FNs-CATEGORY_SEQ_104547780%3FWTz_l%3DSBC%253Bcat104701680

Donny
May 5, 2012, 09:13 AM
I had lousy luck with the Buffalo bullets. Couldn't get them to load straight and they were all over the place when shot. The base isn't recessed as they claim and probably why they don't load straight. I have Lee molds for .36 and .44 and have had much better luck with them.

Don

NineMilePete
May 5, 2012, 12:37 PM
You may want to try "Dick Dastardly's" Big Lube site. He has a link to a few custom casters.

arcticap
May 5, 2012, 04:40 PM
The .451 Buffalo Pistol Bullets received three 5 star reviews on the Dixie website.

http://www.dixiegunworks.com/product_reviews.php?cPath=22_99_311_313&products_id=3630

There are 2 very similar .45 Buffalo Bullets, one is the 180 grain pistol bullet and the other is the 200 grain Ball-et which has a different label:

Donny, could you have been using the 200 grain Ball-et instead of the 180 grain pistol bullet, or the .457 pistol bullets instead of the .451 pistol bullets?
The pistol bullets are shown to be rebated which you said that your's weren't.
And the 2nd reviewer above states that the Pistol Bullets fit into his Pietta 1851.
Or maybe they are easier to load into some guns by using a cylinder loading press. :rolleyes:

The .457 Buffalo Pistol Bullets were reviewed by mec as being easier to fit and load straight into the Ruger Old Army:

http://www.dixiegunworks.com/product_reviews_info.php?cPath=22_99_311_313&products_id=3631&reviews_id=566

And they may also fit better into some of the Uberti guns:

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=152110&d=1320546763
Photo courtesy of mec

TomADC
May 5, 2012, 05:06 PM
I buy from jeff over at castboolits he is easy to deal with and puts out a great product. You may have to join to order or PM him but its a good place to visit also. I find if it isn't listed just ask him he probably has the mold and will cast you up what you need. The bullits he cast for my Smith .515 345 gr really shoot great.

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?t=87136

Donny
May 5, 2012, 09:27 PM
Arctic,

I was using the 125 grain for .36 cal. They sucked and I melted them to make .50 cal round ball. Perhaps I'll give the 190 grain ones a chance as I now own an Old Army.

Don

Gaucho Gringo
May 5, 2012, 11:57 PM
I will second TomADC's comments about Jeff over at Castboolits. The round balls I purchased from him in three different sizes were right on as far as size and were very uniform. His shipping charges were most reasonable and his product and service were top notch. I intend to keep buying my round balls and what ever firearm bullets he produces that I can use in my guns. He is a great person to deal with and his product is too.

rcflint
May 8, 2012, 01:13 PM
I have shot Speer 200 gr SWC bullets meant for 45ACP.

Gatofeo
May 11, 2012, 01:12 AM
Gad Custom Cartridges sells lead heeled bullets for use in obsolete cartridges and cap and ball revolvers.
The .36/.38 bullet is 105 grains and is $8 per 100.
The .44 bullet is 200 grains and is $10 per 100.
See http://gadcustomcartridges.com/
The only downside is that you can't order directly from the net. You'll have to call the owner. But the price and quality are good.

Dellbert
May 11, 2012, 02:27 AM
I had bad luck with the bullets I cast with the Lee molds for the .36 cals and the .44s. Might as well melt them back down and make rd ball with them. To bad cause they sure came out looking real nice.










Dell

Dr.Rob
May 11, 2012, 03:14 AM
I had to look but my heaviest conicals are 44/180 by Buffalo Bullets.

Pulp
May 11, 2012, 03:57 PM
Find duelist's video on conicals. There is mention of a bullet made by a feller name Kaeto or Keato or something like. 240 grain I believe.

arcticap
May 11, 2012, 08:50 PM
Below is some info. on the Kaido bullet from the Hovey Smith Blog, August, 2011.

New molds for the Kaido bullet are now being made to throw a 255 grain bullet that will have the strong flat-point design common to Keith-style revolver bullets. These promise to be better killers on game than the typical round-nosed revolver bullets fired in either percussion revolvers or in .45-caliber cartridge revolvers such as the Colt 1873 Peacemakers used by Cowboy Action Shooters. Both the 240 and 255 grain-weight bullets are within the 200-300 grain range of bullet weights commonly loaded in the .45 L.C. To receive sample bullets and place orders for the molds, contact Kaido Ojamaa at kaido93@hotmail.com.

http://hoveysmith.wordpress.com/2011/08/06/modern-percussion-revolvers-cap-and-ball-revolvers-deer-loads-for-percussion-revolvers-kill-deer-with-percussion-revolver-kill-hog-with-percussion-revolver-triple-seven-in-percussion-revolvers-k/

kohana
May 11, 2012, 10:01 PM
Lots of info guys thanks. I did find Buffalo Bore 180g RN lubed at Cabelas. I loaded a cyl for my Rem58 today and it over 40g of Goex 3f puts the bullet just barley under flush. Should be a snappy load of about 400ft/lb i think. Accuracy to be determined, hopefully in a day or two. I'll report back the results.
Bob

Kaeto
May 11, 2012, 10:51 PM
Find duelist's video on conicals. There is mention of a bullet made by a feller name Kaeto or Keato or something like. 240 grain I believe.

Not by me.

Give these guys a try though.

http://www.alphabravobullets.com/products/shop.php?exp=&cat=4

michaelbsc
May 12, 2012, 11:09 PM
Below is some info. on the Kaido bullet from the Hovey Smith Blog, August, 2011.


The Kaido bullet performance in Mike's (dualist's) YouTube video was pretty good; better muzzle energy and good grouping. I wrote to him at that email address. He wants $20 per 50 for the bullets shipped in a USPS mailer, and two boxes will fit in one envelope.

I'm traveling, and the hotel won't let me shoot out the room window, so I'm not trying them just yet. But I did order some to get delivered at home for when I get back. But that's still a couple of months away.

rodwha
June 18, 2012, 06:06 PM
michaelbsc: Please give a report after you've had a chance to try them out. I, too, will be giving a few a try soon. He'll send a sample of (6) 240 and (6) 255 bullets for a small fee.

michaelbsc
June 19, 2012, 01:45 AM
michaelbsc: Please give a report after you've had a chance to try them out. I, too, will be giving a few a try soon. He'll send a sample of (6) 240 and (6) 255 bullets for a small fee.

I'll be glad to as soon as I can get back home. Thought I would be there before now, but the job has been extended. Kind of a double edged sword you know. Glad to have the work; hate to be away from home. Need the money.

OTOH, I did find a bargain rifle and a range out here. So there's something to keep me entertained on the weekends. And it's a small town so the hotel isn't freaked out about having a firearm in a guest's room like some big cities might be. Beats bar hopping. I'm way too old for that scene.

rodwha
August 3, 2012, 04:16 PM
Curious as to whether or not you've made it back home and had a chance to give them a try yet

St8LineGunsmith
August 3, 2012, 10:18 PM
The .451 Buffalo Pistol Bullets received three 5 star reviews on the Dixie website.

http://www.dixiegunworks.com/product_reviews.php?cPath=22_99_311_313&products_id=3630

There are 2 very similar .45 Buffalo Bullets, one is the 180 grain pistol bullet and the other is the 200 grain Ball-et which has a different label:

Donny, could you have been using the 200 grain Ball-et instead of the 180 grain pistol bullet, or the .457 pistol bullets instead of the .451 pistol bullets?
The pistol bullets are shown to be rebated which you said that your's weren't.
And the 2nd reviewer above states that the Pistol Bullets fit into his Pietta 1851.
Or maybe they are easier to load into some guns by using a cylinder loading press. :rolleyes:

The .457 Buffalo Pistol Bullets were reviewed by mec as being easier to fit and load straight into the Ruger Old Army:

http://www.dixiegunworks.com/product_reviews_info.php?cPath=22_99_311_313&products_id=3631&reviews_id=566

And they may also fit better into some of the Uberti guns:

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=152110&d=1320546763
Photo courtesy of mec
That is some good grouping

rodwha
August 3, 2012, 10:56 PM
Very good group and I'd guess that's close to a full load of powder too.

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