Max effective range of a .270 Win with a 3x9 scope?


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Mr. T
May 6, 2012, 03:18 AM
Hey Everyone,

I am wondering how far can the average person shoot with a Model 700 ADL in .270 Win with a 3x9 scope?

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EchoM70
May 6, 2012, 05:08 AM
I don't see 400 yards being too big of a problem.(Targets, of course.) I've punched paper with my Savage 110 .270 with a Vortex Viper 3-9x40 at 700 hundred yards and kept it around 8-9 inches. The limiting factor is not the scope nor gun, it's the shooter. Plus wind starts to become a major concern the farther you get out there.

allaroundhunter
May 6, 2012, 05:22 AM
The main part of your question has nothing to do with the rifle/scope combo.
how far can the average person shoot
Most any .270 Win and 3-9x scope is capable of outperforming its user. I would not recommend the average shooter take any shot on big game out past 200 yards. The average shooter at my main range does not have the accuracy to hit the vitals of big game consistently past 200 yards.

LoonWulf
May 6, 2012, 06:15 AM
"Average" can be a misleading generalization, an average shooter here might only fire one or two rounds a month and never past 100yds.
I would say its a good combo as far as a person can reliably hit the kill zone with every round from FIELD positions under stress. Most of us that practice will find that from an improvised position or rushed were only actually good for 1/3 to 1/2 the range we are from the bench or a stabil position when not rushed.

ball3006
May 6, 2012, 10:49 AM
The average joe blow shooter would be maxed out at 100 yards. The regular shooter can do 200 yards. It takes a bit of practice to shoot further. The rifle you mention can do all of these things. The important factor is the shooter's ability to shoot. I see these scenarios at the range all the time.....chris3

Cemo
May 6, 2012, 11:02 AM
+1 on ball3006's response. I've seen a lot of people maxed out at 100 yards. For most whitetail hunters, this is not bad as whitetails are typically shot even closer. Sometimes finding a range or location to practice shooting longer distances can be an issue for some.

Mr. T
May 6, 2012, 03:28 PM
Hi Everybody,

The comments are duely noted. I am not the average shooter. I have shot Whitetails at over 200 yards on a full run in an open field. Some of my buddy's have challenged me to a shoot off and are claiming the distance of the competition is out to 600 yards long. I'm having a hard time believing that they even have a stretch of open ground that is 600 yards long. My Whitetail hunting is done with my Remington 7400 in 30.06; however I do have a Model 700 in .270 Win that I know will be flatter shooting. My dilema is would my .270 be enough gun to shoot consistently out to 600 yards. I am without practice comfortable shooting at a stationary target maybe out to 300 to 350 yards without any practice right now. I've heard the men are separated from the boys so-to-speak when you get out beyond 400 yards. Mind you I wouldn't be averse to the idea of going out and buying a new firearm, but I prefer to spend my money on ammunition and hunting gear.

25cschaefer
May 6, 2012, 03:36 PM
I shoot maybe 50rds a year through my .270 with a 2-7x Redfield and have no problems punching a milk jug at 500yds. A chrony, ballistics chart, calm day, and an eye for hold-over can give an average shooter the ability to stretch out a little.

gamestalker
May 6, 2012, 05:23 PM
I've hunted with a .270 win. for decades and they will deffinitely take care of business at extended distances. If your trying to print groups out past 200 yds. 3x9 will be difficult to work with. But if taking antelope or deer sized game at 500-600 yds. is what your referring to, a 3x9 will do quite well.

I've killed a lot of deer and other comparatively sized game at some pretty good distances, including an antelpe at 600+ yds. using my ADL shooting a 130 gr. BT loaded with IMR-4350, and a 3x9x40 Leupold. 3200 fps is nothing to sneeze at with a good BC producing bullets.

The .270 win. is a very fine cartridge. When you combine that with the 700 and the right bullet choice and decent glass you've got a real effective long range hunting rig.
GS

SHR970
May 6, 2012, 05:45 PM
From my experience, the bigger problem that the average shooter has is range estimation. As an Urbanite, I can spot out 100 yard increments easily as I know what the property widths are around me and what is normal for my region. Put me in wide open spaces and it gets a bit more sketchy as my reference is now screwed up. At the range, most anyone with a scope zeroed for 100 or 200 hundred yards can get their hold over pretty easily figured out for longer ranges as most ranges I am aware of have those distances marked out. The ballisitics tables give you a good idea of that your holdover should be. Same goes for wind drift.

Now remove the bench, the easy distance reference, and the "its at XXX +/- 2yards" and add the crosss wind is at XX mph. The difference between 500 and 525 yards in drop and drift becomes more than one or two inches different. If your ammo is going 2700 fps not 2800 as the book says, the drop / drift gets bigger. Also factor in the X MOA of the ammo; if you are 1 MOA constant, then at 500 yards you are already talking about a 5" group excluding all other factors.

So the questions now become how good are you at estimating the distance and crosswind speed? How steady can you hold the gun? What about the other variables?

Vern Humphrey
May 6, 2012, 06:54 PM
I am wondering how far can the average person shoot with a Model 700 ADL in .270 Win with a 3x9 scope?
The average person has probably never fired a rifle.

The average shooter does most of his shooting at 100 yards from a bench rest.

A man who practices regularly at long range can easily take game at 400 yards with a .270.

Flatbush Harry
May 6, 2012, 07:30 PM
I typically shoot 2-3x per week with sessions using 50-150 rds per session depending on what rifles I'm using (the M1s, M1A and AR16 get the higher round counts). I also practice field positions and with shooting sticks, bipod or pack rest at least twice per month. Though I feel I could take longer shots, I limit my self to the idea of 300 yards or less when hunting. This is true for my hunting rifles in .25-06, 6.5x55, .270 or any of my .30 calibers. My scopes are either 2.5-8x or 3-9x. For me it's about maximizing my like hood of a clean kill and avoiding wounded or lost game that I cannot track.

FH

Gordon
May 6, 2012, 07:59 PM
To answer your question exactly as worded: If held at an angle between 30 and 45 degrees the average shooter could expect to bullet to travel about 4 miles .
Most "average" shooters could not hit a stationary 55 gallon drum at 100 yards with that combo from unsupported standing.
Other conditions vary things-alot!

NCsmitty
May 6, 2012, 08:34 PM
It's the distance that you can consistently place all of your shots on a 9" paper plate, which approximates the kill zone of a Whitetail. YMMV with the size of the game.


NCsmitty

rcmodel
May 6, 2012, 08:40 PM
I knew a bunch of Kansas coyote hunters back in the day that could put the hurts on one at anything less then 400-450 yards with that gun & scope.

Or a 30-06 with a K4 Weaver.

Thats what I started with.

rc

TwoEyedJack
May 6, 2012, 08:45 PM
I have killed deer at 400 yards with a 4X scope on a .270. If you know your drop and have a laser rangefinder, it is not too difficult. Especially if the critter is not moving. IMHO using a bi-pod of some sort is more critical than the magnification of the scope.

rcmodel
May 6, 2012, 08:48 PM
Whats a range finder?

A quarter-secton barb wire fence line (440 yards) is our range finder here in Kansas coyote country.

You look at enough coyotes standing by one and you know one when you see one.

rc

ball3006
May 6, 2012, 10:18 PM
A 270 is simply a 3006 necked down to 270 caliber.............If you can shoot a 3006 at the ranges you say, you will have no problem with shooting a 270 at those ranges. chris3

henschman
May 7, 2012, 04:39 PM
Oh hell yes, if you have the ability to hit the target and know your trajectory (come-ups or hold-offs) and wind correction values, that rifle and cartridge are perfectly effective out to 600 yards plus. If you don't know the trajectory and wind stuff, there are some free ballistic calculators out there that will tell you everything you need to know if you plug in the data on your load (google "ballistic calculator"). Everything else just depends on how well you can shoot.

gamestalker
May 7, 2012, 05:14 PM
There are 3 primary elements in becoming efficient out to extended distances. Practice, practice, and practice! Range finders are deffinitely a nice tool, but they don't make the shot for you. The bare minimum tools needed for long distance hunting, is a bipod or shooting rest. I use my tripod with a snap on cradle for hunting, and a shooting stick when I don't already have the tripod sitting there. Most times I'm glassing, so I have already spotted the animal and only need to detach my glasses or spotting scope. Trying to hit a deer or other animal out past 200 yds off hand, is not how it's done.

I use a Leupold RX-IV these days with a compensation program that will provide HO, B&C reticle refrence points, or MOA turret refrence. Nice stuff, but it still won't get the bullet in the pump station if I'm not capable of shooting straight.

GS

Rockfish61
May 7, 2012, 05:49 PM
For sure you can reach out accurately to that distance. If you reload i suggest the SMK 135gr, use IMR 4350 or 4831 with loads close to 3000 fps and you will see about 10 MOA drop at 600 or around 66" with a 200 yd zero. Just dial it in and shoot. Wind, well thats a different story but you can get some good info here: http://www.jbmballistics.com/ballistics/calculators/calculators.shtml for more information on the estimated trajectory. Hope this helps, good shooting

jrdolall
May 7, 2012, 06:01 PM
How do you see a deer at 600 yards? Are they standing in the middle of a bean field? I have killed multiple deer at 300+ yards with a 30-06 and a 3x9 scope. If you have a solid rest and a known distance then the 270 will easily kill a whitetail at 400 yards. I have killed a doe at over 300 yards that dropped like a rock when the bullet hit her behind the shoulder and have also shot them and had to track them. Finding the point of impact across a wide open area 400 yards from where you are standing is a cast iron bit^@.

Art Eatman
May 7, 2012, 08:37 PM
I imagine that once past 400 yards, there's little notable difference in trajectory between a .270 and an '06. Not all that much, really, to 300...

taliv
May 7, 2012, 09:12 PM
imho, lot of suspect advice in this thread...

if you've gotten yourself into a friendly competition out to 600 yards, you will definitely need some mechanism for determining the distance to the target, be it range finder, or pacing it off or whatever. it's just math, but it's important. WAY too many "long range hunters" can't tell the difference between 200 and 600 yards.

You will also want to get the dope for your rifle/ammo. There is a difference between "data" and "dope".

If you want to make hits, you will need to learn to spot your own hits or bring friends who can do it for you.

If you want to make first round hits, you will need to learn to make effective wind calls.

With properly set up and sorted out equipment, anybody can make hits from prone with a bipod/bag. If your competition involves shooting from positions other than prone, like sitting, kneeling, standing, leaning up against a tree, using shooting sticks, etc you will need practice (and ideally, some quality instruction)

if the ADL stock doesn't put your cheek in the right spot, or you've placed the scope where the eye relief isn't in the right spot, or the scope is canted, or the stock isn't bedded properly, or the length of pull doesn't fit you, or it's not focused properly, etc you will likely find shooting 600 yrds a little frustrating, as you won't be able to tell if the reason you hit sometimes and miss sometimes is the way you're pulling the trigger, or the gun, the ammo, the wind, etc.

good luck

hardluk1
May 8, 2012, 12:19 PM
MR T With your above average skills you seem to have go to the range and deside for your self what you can do. What others are capible of does not mean much. What you will need to learn is how darn quick most any bullet heads toward the ground beyound 400 yards and how well you can deal with it know matter the scope. A great range finder will be needed beyound 400 yards with most any common cartidge. Then time on the range to deside what you can and can't handle.

Mr. T
May 11, 2012, 12:52 AM
I've got a Nikon Range finder that is supposedly good out to 1000 yards in ideal conditions. In my experience it has typically only been able to reach out to 700+ yards. That being said I was range finding to the side of a building, not a small target. I'm not too confident that I would be able to get an effective reading out past 500 to 600 yards for a small target. My problem is that I don't have a range where I can practice out to 600 yards. At my rod and gun club the longest rifle range only goes out to 300 yards. I'm not sure what to do at this point. My .270 will shoot a sub MOA at 100 yards, so I am hoping to hold just under 3" groups out to 300 yards. That being said I know that there is a big difference between 300 yards and 600 yards. Can I even hold a 6 to 8 inch group out at 600 yards?? Not sure at this point, but I'm wondering if I shouldn't invest in some new glass with higher magnification. From what I'm hearing from some of you the rifle is capable of doing it's part...the question is can I do my part. My eyes are not what they used to be.

Art Eatman
May 11, 2012, 10:27 AM
I built a 500-yard range at my house and use a 22" hanging steel plate. With a 3x10 scope on my '06, I had no trouble getting just under one MOA. The scope seemed like it was plenty of magnification. I certainly wouldn't feel "under-scoped" with 9X.

Mr. T
May 11, 2012, 04:15 PM
Right now I've got a Nikon Pro-Staff 3x9 on the .270 Win and a Bushnell Banner 3x9 on my 30.06 I'm thinking about getting the new Nikon IRT for one of my AR's. It claims it can shoot accurately out to 600 yards with a Ballistic Tip 55 grain round. The reticle has intertwined circle/hash marks for the bullet drop.

Biggerhammer
May 11, 2012, 05:45 PM
It's all in trigger time and knowing your rifle/ cartridge combination. Out West where I have spent the majority of my hunting years. I can only think of 2 To 4 Mulies in 22 years of hunting them that were shot under 300 yards. The .270 Win is a excellent deer cartridge. Bullet selection and weight depends on the distance your shooting. Here is a Mulie my brother took the season before last with a 16" 6.5 Grendel AR Carbine at 496 yards, a one shot clean stop with a 120 Nosler Ballistic tip. Using a Vortex 2-7 with BDC, a .270 was present for back up on the shot. Either way his wheat field entry ticket had been revoked.

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k269/landonmoses/IMG_0304_3.jpg

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k269/landonmoses/IMG_0268.jpg

CountryUgly
May 11, 2012, 06:17 PM
That combo can out shoot the person squeezing the trigger in "most" instances (I know there are the select few that have uncanny shooting skills and what I'm about to say is possible for them). Effective range is somewhere around 800 yards (i.e. enough energy to cleanly kill a deer) and max range in the neighborhood of 1400 (i.e. put holes in cardboard before just flying/falling all over the place) Now we know the gun/round can do this the question is can the shooter.

BigN
May 11, 2012, 07:05 PM
That caliber will out-shoot any average user...

T.R.
May 12, 2012, 08:24 AM
So-called average shooter can not hit an 8 inch target at 300 yards using improvised field rest. Many hunters have never shot at an animal beyond 100 yards.

There is much more to long distance shooting than buying gear.

TR

CountryUgly
May 12, 2012, 04:33 PM
So-called average shooter can not hit an 8 inch target at 300 yards using improvised field rest. Many hunters have never shot at an animal beyond 100 yards.

There is much more to long distance shooting than buying gear.

TR
You speak the truth friend ^^^....When I first started shooting long range (600 meter +) I thought my equipment wasn't up to the challenge but after a lot of rounds and some really good coaching and tips I learned that the average "hunting rifle" will do more than you would ever expect..... Sure a $6k bolt gun in .308 WarBird makes 1000 yard shots easier but it absolutly possible to nail the same shot with a $300 stevens in 300 win mag. Marksmanship has always been about the Marksman and not the rifle but past 300 yards the shooter makes more of difference than the gun ever could....

CharlieDeltaJuliet
May 12, 2012, 06:28 PM
I take it for granted that my father(Army Vet.) taught me how to shoot at a very young age. I was hunting whitetails at 250+yds(open fields no rests other than kneeling and prone positions) with a 30-06 at 12 years old. We trained with various rifles pistols and shotguns. He would take me groundhog hunting with a .222 remington,and call out the dope for me. When I was later formally trained, although things had changed from his day, it still made shooting alot easier on me than alot of my buddies. Seriously, are people that bad of shots that 100-200 yards is max range with a .270? I had my wife shooting my fifty at 380+ yards within the first month of meeting her. I wish people in todays scociety were not so ignorant or fearful of firearms. Firearms were always a major part in my family's life. My sister even grew up shooting, she also worked as a park ranger at The Badlands National Park while putting herself through grad school in SD. I guess I take it all for granted.

Idaho Slim
June 8, 2012, 12:45 PM
Hi Everybody,

The comments are duely noted. I am not the average shooter. I have shot Whitetails at over 200 yards on a full run in an open field. Some of my buddy's have challenged me to a shoot off and are claiming the distance of the competition is out to 600 yards long.

I have (4) .270's, and have been shooting them for 44 years. I have taken Bighorn sheep and Elk with them out to 550 yds. I am a huge Jack O'Conner fan and truely believe the .270 Winchester to be one of the premier cartridges of all time. With that being said, I also was challenged by a group of my friends to a shoot off at 500 yds against their "big magnums". I used my Pre .64 Winchester Supergrade .270 with a Leupold 3x10 and shot off the shelf Winchester 130 gr. Ballistic Silvertip cartridges. My first 3 shot group measured 1.58 inches @ 500 yds. Our shoot off ended there. ;) Granted, this was off a bench and with a wind meter, but the results speak for itself that this combo can doo what you are asking of it.

If you shoot at the 600 yd distance, and you are sighted in with a 300 yd zero with the 130 gr bullet, your bullet should drop 51 inches. Just sayin ..... :cool::) I pasted my ballistic chart below, hope this helps.


Range
(Yards) Vel. Enrgy Path(IN)

0 3006.5 2608.8 -1.8
100 2815.1 2287.2 3.4
200 2631.9 1999.2 4.2
300 2456.2 1741.2 -0.0
400 2287.4 1510.1 -10.0
500 2125.2 1303.5 -26.7
600 1969.6 1119.6 -51.0
700 1821.1 957.1 -84.4
800 1680.3 814.8 -128.2

blarby
June 8, 2012, 12:58 PM
I'm a little confused by the question, although some have offered up some great advice.


How far can the bullet go ?

How far can it accurately be shot ?

At what range is it still lethal ?

Kinda danced around a little on all of 'em.... not sure ! Not trying to be difficult, just wondering what you really need to know ?

Welding Rod
June 8, 2012, 04:21 PM
The average shooter does most of his shooting at 100 yards from a bench rest.

Where do these average shooters find a bench rest?

Just wondering as in my experience the average shooter doesn't shoot on an established range, but rather out in private woods or state or national forrest. No benches out there I have ever seen.

I am a lifelong shooter and always considered myself an average shooter until the last few years when I started high power match shooting and joined a range. The first time I ever shot from a bench was sometime in my early forties.

I think it may be more accurate to say the average shooter who belongs to a range shoots at 100 yards from a bench rest. For every range member though, there are a lot of average guys out shooting in the woods... at least in the regions I have lived.

SlamFire1
June 8, 2012, 04:21 PM
Take your rifle out to the next mid range match, something that is fired at 300, 500 and 600 yards, and see if you can hold the black.

My come ups from 300 yards to 600 yards with a 30-06 is 12 MOA. That is six feet of bullet drop.

So how do those guys with a 100 yard zero's manage to regularly hit things at 600 yards?

Vern Humphrey
June 8, 2012, 04:28 PM
Where do these average shooters find a bench rest?
They're usually on the opposite end of the range from the targets.

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