Weatherby Mark XXII or ?


May 6, 2012, 05:28 PM
Iím in the market for a nicer-than-average .22 rifle Ė something with nice wood that is well-finished and generally has a quality feel to it. Iím not too particular about action type, but I probably donít want a bolt action unless itís pretty special otherwise. I also have a little bit of a hang-up about lever actions that I canít really rationalize Ė I guess they seem old-fashioned to me, although I have many fond memories of my dad and I doing our best to wear out a Winchester 9422, which we have yet to do. Lever actions arenít off the table, but Iíd probably prefer a semi-auto or pump. Anyway, here are my general requirements:

ēQuality: Nice wood with a gloss finish, nice bluing (or stainless), good fit, finish, and feel.
ēBudget: hoping to stay under $650, but might be willing to go a little higher
ēCapacity: at least 10 rounds
ēAge: doesnít really matter; can be new or used
ēMaintenance: Easy to disassemble and clean

Based on that, Iíve been considering the following candidates:

Early production Weatherby Mark XXII. Iíve been sort of fixated on these, even though I know there must be other good choices.

Remington 552 Speedmaster or 572 Fieldmaster. These look nice, but I know some people have a low opinion of recent Remingtons (and Marlins). Should I shop for an older one if I decide to go this route?

CZ 512. These look appealing too, but CZís website says the magazine only holds 5 rounds. That translates to a lot of time spent reloading Ė are 10+ round magazines available? I havenít seen one in person, but in pictures it doesnít look like the wood and finishes are anything special.

Henry Lever Action. Among lever actions, it seems to enjoy as good a reputation as any, and at a much lower price.

Some that I am NOT considering:

Ruger 10/22. Itís the most popular .22 in the world, and probably for good reason, but thatís exactly why I donít want one. Itís too much of a ďme tooĒ choice, and Iíd prefer something a little different.

Browning BL-22 and Auto-22. Quite simply, I donít like to buy anything made in Japan or China unless I have no other choice, and the early Belgian autos seem to be out of my price range.

Does anyone have any opinions about any of these choices or some additional ones I havenít thought of? At the moment, Iíd say Iím leaning toward the Weatherby, second choice would be one of the Remingtons.

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May 6, 2012, 05:41 PM
If you can reconsider lever guns, I would spend some time looking for a Marlin 1892. These 22 cal lever guns with 24" barrels were built like their larger caliber siblings. They feel like a real rifle. Straight grips, tang sights, nice walnut. Lever guns are old fashioned, but remember, they were the AR of their day!

If you can't get over the lever gun thing and want modern: Volquartsen.

May 6, 2012, 05:48 PM
Early production Weatherby Mark XXII.Some of them had the notorious salt wood stocks.
Buyer beware as Weatherby won't do anything about it now if the metal is ruined below the wood line.


May 6, 2012, 05:53 PM
If you can get your hands on a kimber super america that would be sweet too.

May 6, 2012, 05:59 PM
The beauty of buying a 10/22 is the aftermarket products available that can easily run you into the hundreds or even thousands of dollars depending on your budget. You can get beautiful stocks custom ordred specifically for the ruger 10/22. Check this link at rimfire central.

This guy really makes some beautiful stocks for the ruger 10/22:

I am working on a stock for one of my rugers and will post it later when I'm finished. Good luck on your journey.

May 6, 2012, 07:20 PM
I love my Mark XXII. It's a great rifle. Other considerations I would keep an eye for would be:

Winchester 63 - possibly my favorite semi-auto .22
Winchester 61 - classic Winchester pump if you don't want an exposed hammer
Winchester 1890 - classic Winchester pump if you want and exposed hammer. Best balancing of the Winchester pumps IMO

None of those are made currently, but the waiting and looking are worth it when you finally find one, for sure.

May 6, 2012, 07:56 PM
I bought a Mark XXII in 17HMR for my wife (umm, I shoot it too :D) It is a very nice rifle and the stock is beautiful. It will shoot sub .50 MOA at 200 yards. I recommend the rifle in any caliber. You should enjoy it.....
Good luck,

May 6, 2012, 08:01 PM
Did you look at this thread??

May 6, 2012, 08:03 PM
Wow - so many helpful suggestions already!

RPRNY: I'm not totally against lever guns. I love that 9422 of my dad's - it's beautifully made with fancy walnut, and it's more accurate than either of us are. Still, for whatever reason, a semiauto or a pump seems more to my taste, so a lever gun really has to stand out to get my attention. I'll check into a Marlin 1892 though.

rcmodel: Thanks for the heads-up on the salt wood problem on some Mark XXII's. I was looking at the early Italian-made (Beretta, I think) versions, but the one thread only mentioned a Japanese one as having a salt wood stock. Are the Italian ones more or less likely to have this problem?

ms6852: Customization options are one of the real virtues of the 10/22, but I was hoping more for a buy-n-shoot situation (not that changing a stock would be a deal-breaker). I'll have to see what's out there and at what price.

forindooruseonly: Good to know you like the Mark XXII. I like both the Winchester 63 and the 61, but if website prices are any indication, then they start right about where my budget ends, so it's kinda borderline. If I find one at a good price I would definitely consider it!

I have tomorrow off. I think it's time to hit the local shops and check out some guns!

May 6, 2012, 08:06 PM
Are the Italian ones more or less likely to have this problem? I don't know.
I didn't know the Japanese ones did either till I got to fix that one.


May 6, 2012, 08:37 PM
If you're willing to go bolt action, the CZ455 wins hands down. For your budget, you can get the 3 barrel set and have 22LR/17HMR/22WMR. The accuracy right out of the box is absolutely outstanding. Probably second only to an Anschutz.

The American model has a traditional stock profile for using optics, while the Lux model has a hogsback design to give you an excellent cheekweld for the open sights.


May 6, 2012, 10:29 PM
I've been very happy with my Mark XXII...came with the matching Weatherby scope...but it was made in Japan.

I was looking for one with the box magazine, but could only find a tube fed on. It has grown on me...and really is sleeker looking

May 9, 2012, 02:11 PM
Well, I went around to the local shops, told them all I was looking for an early Weatherby Mark XXII, and almost all of them replied by saying "good luck." It looks like if I want the Weatherby, I'm going to have to buy it long-distance. However, I was able to inspect most of the other candidates, plus a few others. Some additional impressions:

CZ 512: Functionally, it seemed very nice. The action had a well-made, precise sort of feel to it. However, in terms of feel and finish, it wasn't quite up to the standards I'm looking for.

CZ 45? bolt action: It had the same precise feel as the 512, but I'd rather have a faster type of action and I didn't like that it doesn't come with open sights. I may scope it, but I'd rather not be forced to.

Winchester Model 77: I hadn't thought of this one, but there was one in a pawn shop that I looked over. It was pretty beat up, but a better example could be a contender.

Remington 572 Fieldmaster: Of everything I handled, this one came the closest to being what I want, but it wasn't without flaws. It had the nicest wood and the nicest finishes, and it felt the biggest and most substantial. It also has the look and feel of a shrunken 870 Wingmaster, which is kind of cool. However, I didn't like the amount of side-to-side play in the slide/forend, and the stock was a little too high - I had to press my face down a bit to line up the sights. I also understand that most pump actions are a PITA to disassemble - can anyone comment on how this one is? I have a couple of theories about fixed breech vs. auto that may make the Remington more attractive. One, I think a fixed breech may be quieter because the noise only escapes from one end. Two, I think the action may stay cleaner because the fouling doesn't get blown back into it. I don't know if either of these theories hold up.

One thing that became very clear on this little shopping trip was the extent to which the 10/22 dominates the market. It's the first thing every shop handed me and it took some prodding to get them to show me anything else, like the other .22s were only there for decoration or something.

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