Inexpensive sight/mount for Mosin 91/30


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pubb
May 6, 2012, 09:48 PM
So my Mosin is shipping real soon and I'm excited to meet her. While I don't expect superb accuracy, I would like "minute of pie-plate" from her. Just for the sake of tightening up the groups, I'm considering adding an inexpensive scope.

I'm considering the S&K mounts with a cheap red dot scope (midwayusa.com/product/459296/millett-compact-red-dot-sight-1-tube-1x-3-moa-dot-with-weaver-style-rings-matte) as demonstrated in the Nutnfancy video on youtube.

I'm also considering the BrassStacker mount with a BSA Edge pistol scope (midwayusa.com/product/461634/bsa-edge-pistol-scope-2x-20mm-duplex-reticle-matte)

I like that the BrassStacker allows me the option of switching to irons if I want to, but I'm not particularly keen on the look of a big rail.

Any other suggestions/ideas?

Thanks,

P

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LoonWulf
May 6, 2012, 09:57 PM
On the cheap i would just pick up a set of windage adjustable .22 rings and use the rail under the rear sight to mount a pistol scope.

dprice3844444
May 6, 2012, 10:06 PM
http://www.mountsplus.com/AR-15_Accessories/AR-15_Scope_Rings/118-ATI-MOI-0600-B.html

http://www.survivalistboards.com/showthread.php?t=213474

War Squirrel
May 6, 2012, 10:28 PM
Everyone seems to leave out the PSO-1 side-mount option.
It is really easy to install and use, and it is by far my favorite sighting device for the MN. The best part is, it still allows for the use of the iron sights.

Below is my personal Nagant, and it shoots like a champ with the Romanian LPS Tip-2 scope calibrated for the 150gr surplus ammo. Soda bottles are in one-shot danger out to 250 yards, at least. Never had a chance to shoot further.

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii6/Timespace_Jill/DSCF0363.jpg

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii6/Timespace_Jill/DSCF0364.jpg

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii6/Timespace_Jill/DSCF0366.jpg

Be aware though, you will have to bend your bolt which isn't too hard if you have access to a welder, a flat file and a round file.

hang fire
May 6, 2012, 10:51 PM
LoonWulf: On the cheap i would just pick up a set of windage adjustable .22 rings and use the rail under the rear sight to mount a pistol scope.

A lot of people have no idea about the 12mm dovetail under the rear sight.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y92/TANSTAAFL-2/P1010316.jpg

This Weaver to dovetail mount is ten bucks:

http://cdn.pyramydair.com/images/zoomed/UTG-Tactical-Rail-Adaptor-22cal_MNT-PMTOWL_rail-adaptor_zm.jpg

For another 20 or 30 dollars can have an open or aperture rear sight with target adj knobs that mounts on the same dovetail:

http://cdn.pyramydair.com/images/acc/Mendoza-Receiver-Sight-2004.jpg


http://cdn.pyramydair.com/images/acc/555-12-2000-2003.jpg

stolivar
May 6, 2012, 11:14 PM
Tell us where you ordered them from, so we can get these good deals.

sounds good.


steve

chuck plissken
May 6, 2012, 11:38 PM
war squirrel,thats awsome,never thought of this before or seen it. sorta a no brainer since MN guns don't have good mount spots.

BTW,you quote from Chrono is sweet,still play that classic to this day!

pubb
May 6, 2012, 11:39 PM
I had no idea. That makes things a whole lot simpler though!

Thanks for the mount ideas.

Any preferred inexpensive scopes/red dots?

P

War Squirrel
May 7, 2012, 03:27 AM
Ha, thanks chuck! If only they'd make a sequel...

hang fire
May 7, 2012, 06:46 AM
so now wise guy

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Tell us where you ordered them from, so we can get these good deals.

sounds good.


steve

Though for air guns, (brutal air gun recoil has ruined many a good scope) these items are very well made and stongly built. I have had mounted for a while and the MN recoil has had no effect on them.

To my knowledge only the 91/30 has the dovetail, I know the Model 44 carbine as a rule does not.

On the 91/30 there is almost always a slotted screw seen in sight base which was used to locate the sight on dovetail prior to pinning or soldering in place. When attempting to remove, this screw will likely shear off or break and have to be drilled out for sight base removal.

The Izzy rear sight will have two pins (+ sometimes a bit of soft solder) which need to be drifted out. But on a Tula like mine, the sight was secured on the dovetail by soft solder only and I had to apply propane torch heat to get solder to flow for drifting sight off.

There are videos on Youtube about removing MN rear sight base and scope mounting on dovetail

Open sight: http://www.pyramydair.com/s/a/Mendoza_Micrometer_Sight_11mm_Dovetail/2004

Aperture sight: http://www.pyramydair.com/s/a/Mendoza_Diopter_Sight_11mm_Dovetail/2003

Weaver to dovetail mount (current price $8.74) : http://www.amazon.com/UTG-11mm-Weaver-Adapter-Adjustable/dp/B001CJ67E6/ref=pd_sim_sbs_sg_1 It is adustable for either 3/8' or 11mm dovetail. Note the dog set screw stop at top rear of mount. This is why I milled (or easily drilled) a shallow recess in MN dovetail to prevent mount movement from recoil.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y92/TANSTAAFL-2/14534579027562C7F8.png

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y92/TANSTAAFL-2/P1010316.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y92/TANSTAAFL-2/P1010313.jpg

With the diopter disk removed, makes for a great out on the barrel ghost ring sight. The eye automatically seeks center same as on a receiver mounted aperture sight.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y92/TANSTAAFL-2/P1010360.jpg

hang fire
May 8, 2012, 06:19 PM
Here are some videos on removing the MN rear sight base. First video is on a M44 which had pins, second video is on a Tula which also had pins. So, so much for the rules I stated in my other post, looks like pinned or not, will depend on the individual rifle you may have.

Most refer to the dovetail as being 3/8 (0.375) but the one on my Tula is 12mm (0.4724). The mount I bought is adjustable from 3/8 to 11mm (0.4331) and it fits fine on the 12mm dovetail, so I do not know if a 3/8 only will work or not.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7lZI4HD3gM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGATiR6jnJk

More info on the procedure: https://www.google.com/#hl=en&sclient=psy-ab&q=using+91%2F30+mosin+nagant+dovetail+for+mounting+scout+scope&oq=using+91%2F30+mosin+nagant+dovetail+for+mounting+scout+scope&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_l=serp.12...34819.34819.0.36808.1.1.0.0.0.0.232.232.2-1.1.0...0.0.ithHTLKgNn8&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=1e0a6c280de95f41&biw=960&bih=461

TurtlePhish
May 8, 2012, 06:21 PM
I'm considering the S&K mounts with a cheap red dot scope (midwayusa.com/product/459296/millett-compact-red-dot-sight-1-tube-1x-3-moa-dot-with-weaver-style-rings-matte) as demonstrated in the Nutnfancy video on youtube.

I'm also considering the BrassStacker mount with a BSA Edge pistol scope (midwayusa.com/product/461634/bsa-edge-pistol-scope-2x-20mm-duplex-reticle-matte)

A word of warning: Mosins have been known to kill cheap scopes and red dots.

Robbins290
May 9, 2012, 07:41 AM
I agree turtlefish, i put a 80 doller scope on a mosin. After a case of ammo, it wouldnt hold zero.

pubb
May 9, 2012, 05:16 PM
Ok, so what do you recommend? :)

Thanks,

P

TurtlePhish
May 9, 2012, 06:13 PM
Any medium-price-range, recoil-rated scope should do the job. Maybe one of Leupold's lower-end pistol scopes on a scout mount?

LJ-MosinFreak-Buck
May 9, 2012, 07:55 PM
:eek:I had no idea about that dove-tail either, and MosinFreak is in my name!!!!:eek:

This the same on the M44's?

TurtlePhish
May 9, 2012, 08:43 PM
This the same on the M44's?


Nope, their rear sight base is a sleeve that's pinned on.

LJ-MosinFreak-Buck
May 9, 2012, 08:50 PM
Thought so, I seen a pin, but I thought it was for something internal (leaf-spring).

Kush
May 9, 2012, 09:14 PM
hang fire, I am interested in that dovetail notch rear sight as I was just looking earlier today for a windage and elevation adjustable rear sight for the Mosin Nagant with repeatable adjustments, but in your picture it looks like you have a modified front sight, will that sight work with a regular front sight? Also are they click adjustable?

hang fire
May 9, 2012, 10:42 PM
When I bought, it was prebubbarized as in photo and someone had put a Lyman ramp/bead on it, but OEM front sight should work the same. As stated, I removed rear sight base and scout scoped it &c.

Yes, the open and aperture sights shown are click (can feel, but not very loud though) and scale adjustable with target knobs.

hang fire
May 9, 2012, 10:52 PM
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Quote:
This the same on the M44's?

Nope, their rear sight base is a sleeve that's pinned on.

Not always true, I thought so too, but some M44 carbine rear sights were dovetailed and pinned or soldered. Same for the Tula, almost all the rear sight bases are soft soldered on the dovetail only, but there are some pinned exceptions.

I am coming to learn never say always and never about the MN, for OEM variations will pop up and debunk those always and never thoughts.

hang fire
May 9, 2012, 10:57 PM
TurtlePhish: A word of warning: Mosins have been known to kill cheap scopes and red dots.

The baddest of the bad (firearm) scope killer I know of are springer air rifles. Their reverse recoil is most unkind to firearm scopes.

Kush
May 10, 2012, 12:42 AM
Do you know how many moa each click is?

hang fire
May 10, 2012, 05:09 AM
Nope, never checked it out that close.

bigboss84
June 2, 2012, 12:29 PM
i saw your pic of the lps scope on the mosin and was curious why you have the scope so low to the body. from every thing i've seen of the placement of lps/Pso scopes on their original rifles they were meant to be be sat higher up over the receiver. Or am I just looking at things wrong?

Screamin'Eagle
June 2, 2012, 01:59 PM
Weaver also makes a set of bases that attach to the dovetail. They are called T-22 and run about $12. Those are what I am using.

pubb
June 2, 2012, 02:46 PM
For the record, I wound up going with the Millett SP1 and the S&K insta-mount. I've found a few people who have used that combination successfully. I'm waiting for the mount to ship. I'll post more when I get it set up.

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