Anybody like Webleys ?


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Gordon
May 6, 2012, 11:06 PM
Here are my three I got left: top is a late model "safety" .38 S&W small frame from when they were sold as "the end of an Empire" about 25 years ago. It was left over from 70s production. With it's favorite load of WW231 and a 150 SWC it will shoot into 2" at 25 yards from sand bags. The middle revolver is a 1915 Mark V, still .455 and in excellent shape. With Fiocchi ammo it prints into 2" at 15 yards rested. I have utmost faith in how that 265 grain conical at 700 fps would protect me!
The Bottom gun is a 1917 Mark VI converted to .45acp. It is the second one I've owned . A better one was my 1925 made Mark VI, also converted to use full moon clipped .45acp, now sadly stolen 20 years ago. I used that first MK VI a lot in the 80s as a fool around gun.
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i203/gordonhulme/006-4.jpg

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Jim K
May 6, 2012, 11:24 PM
I would recommend against firing .45 ACP mil spec or equaivalent in the Mk VI (or any converted .455 revolver). The .45 ACP pressure is greater than the proof pressure for the .455 Webley, and there have been reports of blown out cylinders when using the standard .45 ACP, let alone the +P version.

Jim

56hawk
May 6, 2012, 11:40 PM
I have this Mark "IV" that was used by the South African Constabulary in 1906. It also has several South African police stampings on it. It's still in 455, and I load it light. A 230 grain lead bullet at 575 fps.

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=164068&d=1336361726

Coal Dragger
May 7, 2012, 12:08 AM
Does it make me strange to wonder what kind of magic Doug Turnbull could work on one of those? I know full well it would not be in keeping with the originals but I still wonder what could be done.

natman
May 7, 2012, 04:22 AM
Here's one of the last 250 Webley revolvers ever made:

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e166/nat_mann/Webleyoneof250.jpg
Came in a presentation box with certificate, it's a polished blue 38/200.

Salmoneye
May 7, 2012, 08:18 AM
I have a 1943 Albion Motors No. 2, MK 1

http://i46.tinypic.com/33b360p.jpg

56hawk
May 7, 2012, 09:40 AM
I have a 1943 Albion Motors No. 2, MK 1

Isn't that technically an Enfield revolver?

Nushif
May 7, 2012, 09:44 AM
*le drool*

I think I owe the Army a new keyboard already.

Kaeto
May 7, 2012, 11:41 AM
I love mine. It's a 1923 Enfield manufacture in .455. But it has been cut to accept .45 acp on moon clips. I load .45 acp and auto rim to Webley pressure levels with a .454 dia projectile.

http://i1156.photobucket.com/albums/p565/kaeto3/DCP00334.jpg

Salmoneye
May 7, 2012, 12:01 PM
Isn't that technically an Enfield revolver?

Yah'but...

I wanted to play too...

*sniff*

Billy Shears
May 7, 2012, 12:15 PM
I like Webleys (except for the trigger, but there's not much you can do about that -- a Webley will never compare with an S&W or a Colt in the trigger).

I have one that was rescued after being owned by Bubba the home gunsmith. Seems Bubba wanted to shoot .45ACP in his Webley, and rather than acquire one that had been converted already, decided to take a nice, 1919 Webley Mk. VI, and convert it himself. Of course, he didn't do it by grinding down the rear of the cylinder, the way most converted ones were modified. No, he took a grinder to the face of the recoil shield (and frame)! Now he could shoot .45ACP rounds in moon clips in the Webley, and still chamber the original .455 rounds too. Of course, now the cartridges sat back too far in the cylinder, and the firing pin punched clean through the primer and into the case, but that's the price you pay for versatility.

I swear some people shouldn't be allowed near power tools.

Fortunately, David Chicoine, at Old West Gunsmith, found and installed a new recoil shield for me. The gun will never be more than a shooter, since Bubba's handiwork removed a bit of metal from the frame as well as the recoil shield, but at least the gun is safe to shoot again.

forindooruseonly
May 7, 2012, 02:24 PM
Nice! I particularly like the round butt version. Not sure what the proper term is but the look sweet.

56hawk
May 7, 2012, 03:42 PM
Nice! I particularly like the round butt version. Not sure what the proper term is but the look sweet.

Bird's head is the proper term. I do think they look way better than the other models.

Vern Humphrey
May 7, 2012, 08:15 PM
But remember the Ozark scale of ugliness:

1. Ugly
2. Real ugly
3. Ugly as an English revolver
4. Coyote ugly
5. Ugly as a thrombosed hemorrhoid
6. So ugly Maxine Waters sued for patent infringement.:evil:

Kaeto
May 7, 2012, 08:36 PM
So Vern you must show up on at scale at #7 'So ugly they have to tie a steak to you to get the vultures to eat you.' :neener:

Vern Humphrey
May 7, 2012, 09:26 PM
Actually, Maxine still holds the record.:evil:

Jim NE
May 8, 2012, 06:06 PM
I actually like the looks of Webleys, and love their history. I also love 56hawk's pic with the Kipling in the background.

As far as appearance, there's ugly, then there's Bella Abz-ugly. If you google images, you'll find mostly posed campaign photos of her, which weren't so bad. You have to find candid shots or video to get the full effect.

56hawk
May 8, 2012, 06:20 PM
I also love 56hawk's pic with the Kipling in the background.

I was wondering if anyone would notice that. :)

NMGonzo
May 8, 2012, 11:30 PM
stop it ... i only make 24 k a year.

Dr.Rob
May 9, 2012, 02:07 AM
Way back when Woolworth's of all places was selling those WW2 Enfield .38SW Weblys for less than a hundred bucks. Dad talked me out of it as a first revolver but I still wish I had bought one for grins.

Salmoneye
May 9, 2012, 07:50 AM
Way back when Woolworth's of all places was selling those WW2 Enfield .38SW Weblys for less than a hundred bucks. Dad talked me out of it as a first revolver but I still wish I had bought one for grins.

The story I have been told, was that Mom bought the Albion in my picture through the mail for $15 (plus postage) from an Ad in the back of a magazine in the late 50's...

Dad loved that gun...

PabloJ
May 9, 2012, 08:23 AM
Certainly. I would not mind owning one with 'Westley Richards' name on it. Actually I would rather have that one over any DA type made in los Estados Unidos. The .38/200 was the best military sidearm of second world war.

Billy Shears
May 9, 2012, 08:38 AM
Certainly. I would not mind owning one with 'Westley Richards' name on it. Actually I would rather have that one over any DA type made in los Estados Unidos. The .38/200 was the best military sidearm of second world war.
:what:

Uh... I like Webley's too, but you must be kidding. A peashooter .38S&W revolver, better than the 1911, better than the Radom, better than the Lahti, better than the P-38, better than the Hi Power? I don't think so.

Hell, even the British, according to Ian Hogg (a British firearms expert and historian) greatly preferred the lend-lease S&W Military & Police revolvers they got from us to either the Webley or Enfield revolvers in .38-200. Having owned examples of both, I fully agree. The S&W is simply a better revolver -- at least as reliable, and with a trigger so much better there is simply no comparison.

SaxonPig
May 9, 2012, 08:42 AM
I can also sneak an Enfield in? Bagged it at a local show about 3 years back for $100. The action was frozen solid so the dealer sold it for parts. I being wiser than that knew what the problem was and simply poured some solvent through it to wash out the hardened grease. Worked fine after that.

I load 158 grain lead bullets sized .358 (a tad under, I know) over enough Unique to get it up to around 800 FPS and it shoots 3" groups 10 yards (and it's DA only, remember).


http://www.fototime.com/ACFD947D1FDDE3C/standard.jpg

Billy Shears
May 9, 2012, 08:50 AM
Nice Enfield, and sounds like a real steal. I've always wanted one of those Webley-clones (it's interesting how the British government essentially screwed Webley & Scott by stealing their design and having a close copy made by the gov't-owned Royal Small Arms Factory at Enfield), but I want one of the DA/SA ones without the bobbed hammer.

Billy Shears
May 9, 2012, 08:58 AM
Double post. Sorry

Ian Johnson
May 9, 2012, 09:49 AM
I have a MK VI getting fixed at the gunsmith right now, never shot one cause it was broken when I got it but cant wait to shoot it, I love british guns

cane
May 9, 2012, 12:23 PM
Here are mine:

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y218/90north/3Webleys.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y218/90north/MKI002.jpg

Gordon
May 9, 2012, 06:19 PM
What is the bottom of three in the above picture ? Very Bulldog like !

LJ-MosinFreak-Buck
May 9, 2012, 06:50 PM
Would love to have one. I just don't know where to look. :(

cane
May 9, 2012, 10:59 PM
It's the same MKIV as the one above, .38 S&W with a 2" barrel, short grip, and a factory safety. Their idea of a "pocket pistol".

bubba in ca
May 10, 2012, 09:45 PM
I had one of the 38s without the hammer spur. I thought it was the best feeling revolver I had ever held in terms of natural pointing and comfortable shooting. As I remember, the military load was a long 200 grain one, lots of tumble and little chance of overpenetration. The commercial 38 s and w loads would have been a little anemic. Sad I got on an automatic kick and sold it off.

Also had one of the .45 conversions. It shot fine but I was not impressed with the icepick firing pin and the big holes in the primers. maybe the double action .44 special I now own is a result of that .45. A lot of gun in your hand.

The 38 is one of those guns I wish I had never sold-- a pistolero`s pistol in an ugly British military sort of way!

Bikewer
May 11, 2012, 11:01 AM
Way back int he 60s, when I was in the army in Germany, we could pick up the .45ACP-converted Webleys at the "Rod and Gun Club" for about 35.00.

I always regretted not buying one... Big, ugly, mechanical pistols... I kinda like 'em. Of course, I always wanted a "broomhandle" Mauser as well.

BigG
May 11, 2012, 01:13 PM
Weren't they actually Webley & Scott? The nomenclature should include the other name for you aficionados.

Tallbald
May 11, 2012, 04:26 PM
But who makes a scope base for the Webley? I have in mind finding one to use as a quick handling deer gun. Really though , they are beautiful, mechanically fascinating, classic revolvers. I have only had the privledge of handling a couple down through the years. Don

CaptFlint61
May 11, 2012, 06:04 PM
I have one Webly in 38S&W, it has white grips marked Webly, with a gray British flap holster, lanyard and cartridge case. I think these old guns are really marvels of engineering and simplicity --- cool too!
CaptFlint61

makkitty
September 17, 2012, 09:03 PM
Oh god, yes.

I love me some Webley's. I have a MkIV 38 S&W who is in Texas getting surgery, and I just picked up a Mk III 38 S&W that was a police carry. I think they're beautiful.

Bubba- Your hammer was likely overstriking. It's a problem Webley's have, along with cylinder timing. It's from the former owners smacking the gun open and closed.

BigG- They went through a ton of name changes, but the Webley stayed in. P. Webley and Sons, Webley and Sons, Webley and Scott Ltd, etc.

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