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horsemen61
May 7, 2012, 05:27 PM
I was recently asked by a friend of mine what guns should everybody have she set it at five so I replied remington 870 reminton 700/770 ruger 10-22 some form of ar - 15 and a pistol I said a glock because in my mind they are rock steady what guns would you suggest to a shooter on a budget in those catogories.

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Skribs
May 7, 2012, 05:31 PM
I've seen this question asked a few times, and it always widely varies. For me, my only purpose for guns is plinking, carry, and HD, and I want all of my guns to be suitable for personal protection. So I will never own a bolt-action rifle, a .22, etc.

If I were to do a catch-all when someone asked "what should I get for personal protection", I'd suggest a Glock 19 for carry/nightsand and a Mossberg 590 for HD. I own neither, but I think it's a good catch-all if the user wants to be told what to buy instead of figuring out what works for them.

allaroundhunter
May 7, 2012, 05:34 PM
Remington 770?......No.

Remington 870
Savage or Remington 700 .30-06
AR-15 .223/5.56
Ruger Mk III .22 LR
9mm pistol (of any reputable manufacture)

writerinmo
May 8, 2012, 12:08 AM
It depends on what the situation is that limits you to those five guns. Is it just an attempt to dictate what a basic "home armory" should consist of? SHTF?

I would look at my requirements in this light... small game, large game, other game (birds), and SD.

So
.22 of your preference for small game
.223, 7.62x39, 30-.06 for large game (I assume we arent hunting elephants)
12 gauge shotgun
9mm, .40 or .45, your preference, we can and do argue the difference all day

Owen Sparks
May 8, 2012, 12:40 AM
An 870 is probably the best pump shotgun ever made but not the best shotgun ever made. Some people can afford a Benelli. It will do everything the 870 will do without requireing a manual action by the shooter between every shot.

CountryUgly
May 8, 2012, 12:42 AM
Why not?

1) Mossberg 500 12ga
2) any .22lr
3) 1911 .45acp
4) Savage 110 .270
5) Hawken .50 cal BP

I think this should cover any SD or hunting situation anywhere in NA.

RBid
May 8, 2012, 12:47 AM
I like, "two is one, one is none", and standardizing ammo. Reliability & durability are huge, as is functionality. If I have five guns, I want them to cover 1) concealed carry, 2) home defense, 3) breakdown of rule of law.

Two Ruger Mini 14s, two Walther PPS, and a Walther PPQ. Everything is .223/5.56, or 9mm.

Manny
May 8, 2012, 12:56 AM
No need for a large game hunting rifle in Ohio, not allowed to use them. Muzzleloader, shotgun slug or a handgun with at least a 5" barrel firing a straight wall cartridge of at .357 diameter. Your five gun selection is going to be dependant on what your shooting opportunites and/or needs are.

Given the parameters my choices for MY needs would be:
-ccw piece, Ruger LCR .38+p
-Handgun suitable for both defensive use and deer hunting. Maybe a Ruger GP100 6", .357, maybe a Glock 35 or 24 or a G20 w/ 6" barrel.
-Plinking, small game, informal target, Ruger 10/22 target topped with an Eotech and supplied with plenty of BX25's
-Defensive Rifle, varminter, CMP shooter. Rock River AR15 national match flattop w/ good scope in a quality QD mount.
-Shotgun, I'll stick to one for clays & wingshooting, Browning Cynergy o/u.

Those 5 would suit my needs quite well.

doc2rn
May 8, 2012, 02:38 AM
My barebones 5
Practical to me:
Ruger 77/22 Mk II in all weather with v-bolt
Ruger Red Label 20g SxS
Marlin 1894 .357
S&W in either .38 spec or .357 for matching ammo with Marlin
Colt Python

Now alot of tactical people would be able to simply say:
Glock 19
1911
Moss 500 or 870
M-4 with bunch of uppers for caliber changes
Barrett M997

FIVETWOSEVEN
May 8, 2012, 01:56 PM
1. Handgun
2. Rifle such as a EBR
3. Quality .22 rifle
4. Quality Shotgun
5. Quality "hunting" Rifle

People and their tastes vary so widely, I never bother on specifics with recommendations but I will show them a few choices.

My list however

1. Current handgun XD-40
2. AK 74 Tantal
3. Remington Model 5
4. Remington 870 or 1100
5. My Tantal can cover this spot under NH law.

JSpear
May 8, 2012, 02:09 PM
Only five?! Ok, for me it's mainly my 870 for hd, my savage .22lr for plinking and small game, my bersa for cc, and my s&w 9mm for nightstand duty (so the 870 doesn't get lonely), also I will be adding an ar as soon as the cash is saved up.

pockets
May 8, 2012, 02:12 PM
Hmmmm......it was only '3' in last week's thread.

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Skribs
May 8, 2012, 02:27 PM
Every one of these threads make me feel like yall wouldn't think I'm a real shooter because I don't have a .22 or a rifle.

writerinmo
May 8, 2012, 03:26 PM
Buy a .22 rifle and you'll be covered on both fronts...

TonyAngel
May 8, 2012, 06:56 PM
If someone says that they can only have five handguns, it's either going to be because they really aren't into guns, but want to be prepared; or they are into guns (and want to be prepared), but are on a very limited budget.

Whether they fall into one category or the other, both have some common factors that would lead to, what I think, are some logical choices.

1. Remington 870 pump action shot gun. Easy to maintain and operate and can be used for close range defense or hunting.

2. Remington 700 or Savage equivalent bolt action rifle in .308. Again, easy to operate and maintain. Most can handle the recoil of a .308. Ammunition is easily obtainable and relatively inexpensive. The caliber is capable of hunting most larger game.

3. Smith or Ruger revolver with a 3 or 4" barrel. Again ease of maintenance and operation. Lower cost of operation.

4. .22 bolt action rifle. I'd probably go with a Savage, for all of the reasons above.

5. .22 revolver, although this could be cost prohibitive, considering that a Ruger auto would cost about half as much. An alternate #5 would be a Marlin lever action in 30/30, although this could be considered a dup for the .308 bolt gun.

DammitBoy
May 8, 2012, 07:04 PM
1. Para P14 in .45 auto
2. Bennelli M1 12 gauge
3. DPMS SASS .308
4. M6 Scout .410/22 hornet
5. Ruger SP101 .357

Old krow
May 8, 2012, 07:07 PM
I doubt that I ever make it to 5 guns simply because I own a few now with sentimental attachments and they will always hold a place. If I did have just 5, this is what they would be;

1. Remington 870
2. Colt 6920
3. Remington 700 .308. I'd take a Rem 700 over a Savage simply because of the new RTS
4. Glock 32. .357SIG is plenty for the woods around here and I could switch to 9mm for carry
5. .22lr rifle

All these decision and prioritizing! I can't wait until the "only 27 guns" threads comes out.

Stevie-Ray
May 8, 2012, 07:12 PM
Hmmmm......it was only '3' in last week's thread.New idea for a thread, "What 35 guns should I own if I want all bases covered?":neener:

FlyinBryan
May 8, 2012, 07:23 PM
well, if i could only have 5.

1. ruger 1022
2. m1 garand
3. carbine length ar15
4. lightweight commander 1911 in 45acp
5. remington 1100 12g

Skribs
May 8, 2012, 07:35 PM
Stevie, I'm pretty sure you only need 31. Just sayin'

Inebriated
May 8, 2012, 08:12 PM
Well I own the first 4 of my list... That's not bad. I guess I could replace #5 with the Savage Axis .243 for now.
1) Remington 870 (12 Gauge)
2) Arsenal SGL-21 (7.62x39 AK)
3) Glock 21 (.45 ACP)
4) Marlin 795 (.22LR)
5) Savage Model 10 PC (.308 Bolt)


My list however
2. AK 74 Tantal
5. My Tantal can cover this spot under NH law.

What's this? 527 mentioned his Tantal TWICE, without posting a pic of his girlfriend? It can't really be you! :D

Captains1911
May 8, 2012, 08:21 PM
Remington 870, AR-15, Ruger 10/22, Glock 19, Remington 700 or other scoped .308 bolt gun. If I could add one more it would be a Ruger Mark III

FIVETWOSEVEN
May 8, 2012, 08:40 PM
What's this? 527 mentioned his Tantal TWICE, without posting a pic of his girlfriend? It can't really be you!

I said threads about AK 74s or Tantals, not mentions of them. :D

Teachu2
May 8, 2012, 08:43 PM
Glock 30
CZ .223 bolt
Remington 1100 LT-20
Ruger 10/22 (aftermarket stock, trigger parts, barrel)
S&W M&P 9c

These are based on weight, ammo availability, accuracy, dependability, and expected targets. Depending on circumstances, an AR-type .223/5.56 or Remington 700V .308 could replace the CZ, a Beretta 3901 12ga or Mossberg 500 12ga with two barrels for the LT-20, a Savage 17HMR for the 10/22, and a G35 for the M&P - but if I HAD to pick 5 to keep or take with me into a survival situation, those would be them.
The only one without an alternate is the G30 - that's one versatile bad boy! None of my 1911s, S&W wheelguns, or .22-250 Varminters makes the cut, even though I enjoy them (and the CZ) the most of any I own.

whetrock
May 8, 2012, 08:43 PM
Here's my 5 (though I'd probably be better served by my AR-15 than my 336 but I think I could suffice with my lowly 30-30 if I had to, but I digress.....)

RIA 1911

Glenfield model 60

Browning Buckmark

Benelli Super Nova ( don't have a shorter 18.5 cylinder bore barrel or rifled slug barrel but I'm working on it)

Marlin 336

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Deltaboy
May 8, 2012, 08:45 PM
870
30-06
Pistol or Revolver of your choice.
a 22 pistol
a 22 rifle.

Shadow 7D
May 8, 2012, 09:02 PM
what ever
these are a dime a dozen
been done about every week

why not just use search?
and why limit yourself to 5?

Inebriated
May 8, 2012, 09:17 PM
I said threads about AK 74s or Tantals, not mentions of them.

Haha, excuse me then.

skoro
May 8, 2012, 09:25 PM
My list:

1. Centerfire bolt action for big game (30-06 or 308 = my choice)
2. AR-15/Mini-14
3. Over/under 22lr/12ga combo
4. 4" 357 revolver
5. Compact semiauto centerfire CCW (9mm = my choice)

Driftertank
May 9, 2012, 11:56 AM
We could just really generalize by type here...

Pump-action shotgun
.22 rimfire, rifle or pistol
Bolt-action hunting rifle
Centerfire handgun
Autoloading centerfire military-style rifle

These pretty much cover the guns I think everyone should own, without reaching debate over which PARTICULAR gun is best. By the looks of everyone else's responses, it seems to be a fairly consistent answer.

oneounceload
May 9, 2012, 12:03 PM
a 12 gauge shotgun - over/under preferred
a 20 gauge shotgun - SxS preferred
a 22LR rifle - low end - Marlin 60, higher end Remington 54THB
a medium bore rifle - I prefer a Rem 7 in 7-08
a handgun - too many choices - pick something in 9mm, 357, 40, 45

Sheepdog1968
May 9, 2012, 12:15 PM
Your selections are fine. For me personally, the would be

Glock 30 pistol in 45 acp
Mossberg 500 with two barrels in 12 gauge
Ruger 10-22
Ruger 77 lightweight in 308
M1a in 308

I'd miss my 30-30 lever action but that would be next on the list

Captains1911
May 9, 2012, 01:46 PM
what ever
these are a dime a dozen
been done about every week

why not just use search?
and why limit yourself to 5?
Why read and post?

kb58
May 9, 2012, 02:40 PM
I understand using a minimum number of ammo types as once you have some of "that round" you're all set. However, if things get bad, who knows why type of ammo might be found; being able to use various types seems like a plus.

1. pistol, .22lr
2. pistol, .45
3. pistol, 9 mm
4. rifle, AR15 .223
5. shotgun, 12 ga

Legionnaire
May 9, 2012, 05:58 PM
Scoped bolt action rifle in .308 or .30-06.
Scoped bolt action rifle in .22LR.
Pump action 12 gauge, preferably with a 26" vent rib and 18" smooth bore barrels.
4-inch .357 mag revolver.
Handgun in .22LR, your choice of action.

dubya450
May 9, 2012, 06:21 PM
1) Beneli Nova 12 gauge - hunting
2)Winchester m70 300 win mag - hunting
3)Ruger 10/22 - plinking/critter control
4)FN FNP-45 - HD
5)GLOCK 36 45 ACP - CCW

Now thats on a budget. If money were no problem my list would be a little different of course.

valnar
May 9, 2012, 06:38 PM
Five, including a representation of a pistol, rifle and shotgun? What are his requirements?

Some folks will say a bolt action is not required if you don't hunt. From a hunting perspective, perhaps. From a fun perspective, no. One good surplus gun is cheap to shoot, without having to spend money on optics.

Some will say an AR15 is not required, and I am one of them. If you had to list a top 5 rifles to own, I'd probably include one. But when it is top 5 guns period, it doesn't make the cut unless you specifically lean that way.

I'd say a .22 of some sort, a .357 or 9mm of some sort, a .30 cal rifle of some sort, and a shotgun of some sort. The last one should be a vanity pick. Could either be that AR15 or AK47, a .45ACP 1911, .257 Bob bolt-action, full-auto Tommy gun, Purdey double-barrel, etc. :D

HarcyPervin
May 9, 2012, 07:07 PM
This again? Ok, why not, it's a chance to not be working. Assuming I want to cover anything I could want to do (hunting, plinking, HD, etc)

1) Solid 12 gauge shotgun - pump gives more flexibility, but semi if it works is understandable
I have a Benilli Nova with a 24 or 26 inch bbl, does everything I ask of it
I also have a Remington 1100 12 ga. and a Remington 870 20ga

2) .22 Rifle
Like many others, I have a 10/22. Hard to argue with that, but there are other great ones

3) Medium Bore Centerfire Rifle
I happen to quite like my Tikka T3 Lite in .30-06, not a great gun for an extended range session, but is
accurate and relatively cheap to shoot

4) Pistol of adequate SD caliber and platform - whatever you determine that to be
Have a Ruger SR1911 on order. Some prefer 9mm, .40 S&W, .357/.38, .357 SIG, etc.

5) Fun Gun
I believe that everyone should, assuming they have the adequate funds (which I don't yet) a
gun that they own strictly for the pure enjoyment of shooting it. It may not have a set
purpose or it may fill a role filled by one of the other four categories. I'm lucky enough that
my old man is also a shooter, so I have a few of his that I'm welcome to use that fit this role.

- S&W M&P 15-22
- Remington 700 Varmit - .22-250
- M1 Carbine
- Ruger blackhawk in .357/.38/9mm
- Glock 19
- variety of 12 and 20 ga. shotguns

ZDriver96
May 9, 2012, 08:36 PM
I actually thought about that question.... and this is what I ended up with...

1.) LMT MRP AR15. Torture tested to be an extremely tough AR15. Modular weapon platform for .243, 5.56, 6.8 and 300 blackout. Great shooting AR15. This is premium SHTF battle rifle. Aimpoint Pro. LED lit red dot battery lasts for ever and extremely durable. Long range throwing tac light.

2.) 9mm Sig Combat P226 Threaded. 5 inch barrel to make the most use out of a 9mm. Threaded for suppressed fire. Phosphate coated highly resistant to salt water and corrosion. Tritium Night sights. Great all around gun. SHTF battle pistol. 9mm most common round out there to find if u need it. Inexpensive self defense round.

3.) Smith & Wesson 1911pd Scandium alloy. 5 inch barrel. Light weight 1911, great shooter. 1911 sets the bar for all other pistols. 45 packs a hell of a punch. Make the most use out of the 8 round mag with the Laser/LED light attached to the rail.

4.) Remington 870 tactical with Spec Ops Knoxx anti recoil stock. Rebar choke good to jab someone if being attacked, bust a window out... Ghost ring sights with picatinny rail. Tac light attachment. Remington 870. Long time trusted shotgun, simple, effective.

5.) I chose the Walther PPS in 9mm as my conceal. Its very thin so I conceal wearing shorts and t shirts without the bulge of other double stack weapons. This is my conceal carry. Smith & Wesson just came out with the M&P shield which is cheaper and probably better from what I've read. I would opt for that.

AND dont forget everyone needs a bad a**katana!

thorazine
May 9, 2012, 10:20 PM
^ Other than the nineteen eleven and the PPS I love the list. =D

300 blackout..

Suppressed P226.. yum.

ZDriver96
May 9, 2012, 10:32 PM
How could you not like the 1911!!??!! Its my favorite to shoot for sure..

I can understand the PPS is definitely debatable

dredd
May 9, 2012, 11:22 PM
I'll play along :-)

If I only get to keep 5 items that I already own:

1911
16" AR (.223/5.56)
16" 308 (AR Platform)
Savage Model 24 (.223 over 12/g)
870 12/g

I thing everyone would need something in 7.62 x 39, but you should be able to get one with something from your current stock :-) LOL

JEB
May 9, 2012, 11:37 PM
in my opinion, in order to have all bases covered, everyone should have:

1: mid range rifle
2: high power rifle
3: shotgun
4: large pistol
5: small pistol

for me and my needs this would translate to:

1: marlin 336 30-30
2: ruger m77 30-06
3: mossberg 500 12ga
4: 1911 (undecided on brand) .45acp
5: ruger lcr .357 mag

bushmaster1313
May 9, 2012, 11:47 PM
1. Smith Wesson hammerless J frame (Small revolver to put in your pocket.)

2. Riot gun-Any good 12 gauge pump with blue steel and walnut (Hey,you do not want to be caught facing a horde of zombies with an ugly shotgun with a plastic stock)

3. Magazine fed .223 semi-auto rifle (supressive fire had its place)

4. Ithaca 4E trap gun (you do not want to face Armegeddon without a nice trap gun)

5 Not really needed, but a nice Winchester pre-64 model 70 or Model 94 because class has its place.

kb58
May 9, 2012, 11:49 PM
Don't know why people post brand names. Type and caliber avoids the entire issue of likes and dislikes; simply saying ".45 pistol" answers the OP's question just fine.

David E
May 10, 2012, 01:01 AM
Don't know why people post brand names. Type and caliber avoids the entire issue of likes and dislikes; simply saying ".45 pistol" answers the OP's question just fine.

LOL! Ok, is that ".45 pistol" a black powder under-hammer muzzle loader, a TC Encore chambered in 45-70, a Webley-Fosbery in .455, a Ruger Blackhawk convertible, a Custom 1911 or a Glock 21?

Maybe ".45 pistol" tells you all you need or want to know, but most of us appreciate the specifics.

clance
May 10, 2012, 01:19 AM
Only 5 huh!

Well to try and get a general purpose selection (hunting, plinking, self-defense) I think I would go with the following.

1.) Browning BPS or Ithaca 37 in 12ga. or 20ga. (I personally prefer the 20ga for it's low recoil but adequate stopping power)
2.) Browning SA-22 in .22LR
3.) Winchester, Uberti or Rossi Lever Action or Pump in .45LC
4.) Uberti Top Break Revolver 5" barrel in .45LC/.45ACP
5.) AK47 in 7.62x39mm

Other then the AK, all the firearms mention could be easily used by either a left-hander or righty without much difficulty.

qwert65
May 10, 2012, 09:48 AM
30-30 lever
1911
Pocket pistol
Shotgun
22 rifle

Lateck
May 10, 2012, 11:41 AM
To me Driftertank stated it right!

1. Mossberg 590.
2. Ruger 10/22 or Browning Buckmark (Ruger MK3 is ok).
3. Tikka T3 in .30-06.
4. SIG P226 in .40S&W (with 9mm & 357SIG barrels ).
5. Ruger Mini-14 (or AR-15).

That would cover me for a while, till the next "list".
And I already have them :D

Lateck,

Stevie-Ray
May 11, 2012, 12:26 AM
Stevie, I'm pretty sure you only need 31. Just sayin' :scrutiny: Well....yeah, OK, but by God this is America and I want 35!:neener:

David E
May 11, 2012, 10:21 PM
It's always interesting in threads like this to see how many people own the one, three, five or ten guns they consider essential.

Many do not, which always puzzles me how they can cite a gun as "essential" when they've never owned it.

speedway
May 11, 2012, 11:21 PM
H&K P7m13
M1a
H&K USC
Colt 1911a1
Remington 870

DammitBoy
May 12, 2012, 12:16 AM
It's always interesting in threads like this to see how many people own the one, three, five or ten guns they consider essential.


So far I have about 48 essential firearms, but the list always seems to keep growing... :uhoh:

VancMike
May 12, 2012, 01:54 AM
Some years ago, I was fishing near Lake Iliamna in Alaska, and one evening in one of the non-native communities, a bunch of the locals were chatting about their favorites. In an extremely un-scientific poll, my "research" comprised of answers from 22 folks, almost all of them year-round residents, and all were subsistence hunters. Oddly enough (for me, anyway), I kept notes which I have today.

I don't believe any individual felt the need for 5 guns; most had a minimum of 3 though: a .22 handgun, a rifle and a 12 gauge pump shotgun.

Most of the handguns were Ruger Mk I/II, although there were a smattering of S&W, Ruger and H&R (!) revolvers. There was one Colt Woodsman.

The rifles were: (4) Savage 99 (300 Savage); (6) Win Mdl 94 (30-30), (5) Marlin 45-70, (2) Win 95 (30-06 & 30-40), (4) Remington 700 (30-06 & .308), (1) Win Mdl 70 (30-06).

The pumps (there were no semi-autos nor doubles) were about evenly split between Remington 870s and Mossberg 500, plus 2 Ithaca and 2 Winchester. The only non-pump shotguns were 3 Winchester single-shots (I presume Mdl 37). All were 12-gauge and I didn't hear anyone expressing a preference for 3" shells (but it was getting noisy by that time....)

Yeah, I was surprised at the lack of big caliber guns.....or more to the point, a preponderance of moderately-powered lever-actions. Even the 45-70 owners said they use low velocity loads most of the time, saving thumper loads for backing up paying-guest hunters.

But most of the game they shoot are caribou, and I got the feeling that these folks (including 7 women) didn't waste much ammunition.

.22 LR were used mostly for varmints and pelt critters. 12-gauge pumps were for birds and bear protection, especially in the winter.

But the general consensus was that brown bears were to be avoided, rather than shot at.....not only was there the chance that one wouldn't kill the bear (thus becoming lunch), but if successful, the paperwork with the fish/game authorities was "worse than being bear bait."

My host and his family had a few of those firearms and while the actions were all well cleaned, oiled and cared-for, by no means were these guns "beautiful blends of wood and metal." Most of the stocks were really beat-up, and I suspect if I went back today, there might be a lot more synthetic stocks. Probably find more .308.....as the Savage 300 owners were "retiring," their sons/daughters were replacing them with bolt-action rifles in .308.

But....maybe not. As long as they work.....

David E
May 12, 2012, 12:22 PM
Interesting info! How many years ago was this?

If one has a specific, constant use for a gun, it's easier to pick them.

When the uses and interests diversify, it's harder to only pick 3 or 5 to "do it all."

kimbershot
May 12, 2012, 12:30 PM
dan wesson valor 1911 (stainless-black coat)
ruger mark 111 target--stainless steel
awc amphibian--suppressed stainless
thompson contender 22lr w/ suppressor and 45-70 barrel

also--32 seecamp (stainless)

or

fun gun--auto ordnance tommy gun m1--can use as a sledge hammer if need be.:D

LawScholar
May 12, 2012, 12:49 PM
Honestly I currently own 5 and I think my 5 are a wonderful cross-section. Full size pistol, CCW pistol, AR-15, pump shotgun, 10/22 plinker

O'course my lack of a bolt rifle and revolver makes me think 7 is the absolute smallest a collection oughta reach eventually. :D

Mike J
May 12, 2012, 01:01 PM
Sadly there are still a couple of niches I need to fill in my firearms accumalation. I still don't really have a good .22 target pistol & I would like to have a semi-auto centerfire rifle of some sort but what I have does pretty much cover my bases.

I would say the essential should be
1. Mossberg 500 12 gauge
2. Marlin model 60
3. centerfire handgun 9mm/38 special or larger-my go to is an XD-40
4. centerfire bolt action rifle-mine is an old U.S. Repeating Arms Winchester model 70 in .30-06
5..22 pistol to plink with-I would like to pick up a Ruger Mark II or III or maybe a Browning BUckmark for this but for now I have to content myself with a heritage single action revolver.

Of course one would have to learn what the interests the person who is purchasing the 5 guns are. What applications the guns would be used for. Their budget would also be useful to know. A Ruger P95 or S & W Sigma could be fine for a centerfire handgun for someone on a budget. If someone wants a handgun for woods carry a revolver might be a better choice than a semi-auto. There are just too many ways to go with this.

Redneck with a 40
May 12, 2012, 02:04 PM
Remington 870

Remington 700 .308

Ruger 10/22

Ruger SR9-C 9mm

Ruger Sp-101 357 mag

Saakee
May 12, 2012, 02:34 PM
Not sure why i chose these for the most part but:

Beretta Px4 in .45 ACP
Beretta Cx4 in .45 ACP
Beretta Tx4
Smith & Wesson Model 625 JM
KAC SR-25

David E
May 12, 2012, 04:00 PM
Maybe only one is "necessary" for YOU.

if SHTF, that's a poor time to go gun shopping.

"What guns" depends totally on what the person does or wants to do. If he's only into skeet, trap and bird hunting, 5 assorted shotguns will serve those pursuits pretty well.

As I said earlier, as needs and desires diversify, selecting five guns that adequately address all gun needs becomes more difficult.

But one premise is almost always left out of these "only 1, 3, 5, 10 guns" threads is the reason why.

Am I just starting out? Am I replacing my lost/stolen collection? Is there a budget? Am I bugging out/in? Or is there a new federal law that restricts each person to 5 guns or frame/receivers?

My answer depends on the reason why.

Inebriated
May 12, 2012, 07:54 PM
Maybe only one is "necessary" for YOU.

if SHTF, that's a poor time to go gun shopping.

"What guns" depends totally on what the person does or wants to do. If he's only into skeet, trap and bird hunting, 5 assorted shotguns will serve those pursuits pretty well.

As I said earlier, as needs and desires diversify, selecting five guns that adequately address all gun needs becomes more difficult.

But one premise is almost always left out of these "only 1, 3, 5, 10 guns" threads is the reason why.

Am I just starting out? Am I replacing my lost/stolen collection? Is there a budget? Am I bugging out/in? Or is there a new federal law that restricts each person to 5 guns or frame/receivers?

My answer depends on the reason why.
The X amount threads are for two reasons... people enjoy stating their favorite anything, and people enjoy thinking about how their choices would serve them. Harmless fun, and it is helpful to newer shooters I guess, when the bulk of the answers are .22 rifle, carbine, sidearm, bolt gun, or shotgun.

the only NEED is for self defense. It's quite rare to have to fire, much less hit the attacker, much less have to hit him repeatedlly iin the chest, with something more powerful than a 100 gr PowRball 9mm jhp.. I say that as a Life Member of NRA since 1978, reading the Armed Citizen column every month, as well as personally knowing Jim Cirillo, Ken Hackathorn, Jeff Cooper, Mas Ayoob, and many others of their fame and experience. Nobody has to hunt these days. If they did, they'd be ignoring seasons, bag limits, regs about what mag capacity or gender, night hunting, baiting etc, they'd be using snares, traps, gill nets, etc. So the hunting is for sport, it's NOT necessary, on the face of it. You seem to be unable to separate needs from "wants'. That is very, very common in this indulgent society. Since the M4 is the military rifle, ability with the pistol will suffice to get such a rifle. I agree, however, that IF shtf, ability with that M4 would be nice to have, requiring prior ownership.

If your focus is NEED, then CURRENTLY, there is no NEED for a firearm at all. You can get by in most self defense situations without, you can find other ways to spend a Saturday morning than at the range, and you can hunt without one if need be. There's no conflict on our land, so that's not a concern either. So do you NEED that 9mm? Or do you just WANT that 9mm? Sounds to me like you just WANT it.


My point really is that it seems silly to me to say that you would need a handgun for day-to-day, but dismiss a rifle for SHTF. You're planning on the worst with the handgun, which is no different than planning for the worst with an M4.

EDIT - If that came across as hostile, I apologize.

Matfey
May 12, 2012, 08:03 PM
One is none and two is one, so I'd say two of one type of pistol Glock 19 or XDm, two battle rifles, either AK or AR, and maybe a .22 rifle or 12 gauge.

B!ngo
May 12, 2012, 09:34 PM
My turn:
S&W Model 41 .22LR semi pistol
H&K P7M13 9mm semi pistol
H&K MP5 9mm in semi carbine or full auto SBR (depending on your credentials)
Browning BPS all-weather finish 12 gauge
Remington 700 in .308

VancMike
May 13, 2012, 02:00 PM
David E: Interesting info! How many years ago was this?
If one has a specific, constant use for a gun, it's easier to pick them.

It was in the late 80s. And I didn't quote my notes correctly....the 45-70s were Marlin and Win '86.....don't know the correct mix.

FWIW, on another trip to a different area, I saw a couple of Win '71s , and on that trip, sold mine, sight-unseen and shipped it up. I believe good lever actions are still in demand in Alaska.

When the uses and interests diversify, it's harder to only pick 3 or 5 to "do it all."

That's probably why so many of us have many more than 5 guns!

HarcyPervin
May 14, 2012, 12:43 PM
VancMike
Some years ago, I was fishing near Lake Iliamna in Alaska


Have an uncle who has lived in Illiamna for years...beautiful area.

I believe it's the same story for him though. They run into bears on a daily basis, and I got very close a few time when I was there. The biggest gun I saw was a 12 ga. pump. A few guys had .44 mags or the like, but it was well known that a 12 gauge was all you needed.

Nobody died from bear attacks that week.

VancMike
May 16, 2012, 02:28 PM
A few guys had .44 mags or the like, but it was well known that a 12 gauge was all you needed.


Every resident/native of Alaska that I've ever talked to says using a .44 Mag on a charging mama brown bear is like swatting a locomotive with a wet noodle....you might make a mark, but it's not going to stop her.

Unless, of course, you shoot the leg of your companion so that he's slower than you......:eek:

David E
May 16, 2012, 07:19 PM
I've never shot a bear, but it seems to me that the soft lead of a 12 gauge slug wouldn't deliver consistent penetration on said bear.

Or are certain types of slugs being used?

otasan56
May 16, 2012, 08:12 PM
Mossberg M500
Glock 17
S&W Mdl 629
M1911A1
Ruger 10-22

danez71
May 16, 2012, 09:40 PM
22lr rifle
center fire hand gun 9mm or better
center fire rifle .223 or better
shot gun 20ga or better

5th gun is the wild card to be chosen to fit the individuals particular circumstances/environment.

sixgunner455
May 17, 2012, 03:24 AM
Huh. I always hate trying to figure these things out, because I don't usually buy a gun for several hundred dollars+ on a whim. All the ones I have are owned for a reason! And I've taken years to accumulate them.

My concept of necessary:

#1- Concealed carry pistol. Got to have at least one. I have a pocket revolver, and a 3" Kframe .357, and a full-sized 9mm that share carry duties. The 642 gets carried most. The 9mm gets shot the most, and goes to shooting clinics and such. The .357 gets loved the most, and goes hiking and hunting.

It'd be a toss-up between the 642 and the .357, if I had to only have one between these three. That is the niche that I most don't want to do without. Packing a pistol for emergency self protection is day-to-day life. All the rest of the guns in the safe get shot on the weekend, but certainly not every weekend, not every month for most of them, and there's one or two in there that have been not shot in far too long.

#2- .22 pistol. Very useful, inexpensive to shoot. I have a Ruger MKII and a Single Six. Restricted to one, I'd be happy with either. Both have advantages. The MKII can double as a credible defense piece, if needed, due to rapid fire capability and decades of familiarity. The Single Six will happily and accurately shoot any .22 rimfire ammo I can get my hands on, and I have even more decades of familiarity with shooting similar guns.

#3- Shotgun. Got to hunt birds. I like my little Spanish 20 gauge SxS.

#4- .22 rifle. Too useful not to have one or more. My Savage MKII gets shot an awful lot lately. My Ruger 10/22 is a ton of fun, too.

#5- Some kind of centerfire rifle. It'd be a tough call between my AR15 and my .243. I suppose, if it was a legal restriction causing me to downsize, I could let the .243 go and get a 6.8 SPC or .300 BLK upper to add to my AR15. That's a plan I could support, and considered when I got my .243 last year. But it cost me less getting into and setting up a bolt action, than getting a quality upper and getting it set up would have.

I've got other guns - muzzleloaders, which were my first hunting rifles, and still go out some years, milsurps, kids' .22 rifles, and so forth.

But five, or any other arbitrary number, is always going to be problematical for me. I'm always going to side with getting or trading into what I need at the time, rather than trying to predict a forever armory of x# of guns. I could probably get my accumulation down to five if I had to, but I definitely wouldn't be happy about it.

Warp
May 17, 2012, 03:50 AM
This is obviously not a firearm enthusiast's or collector's list of must haves for a lifetime (that'd be much longer).

I would apply this list to anybody and everybody legally able to possess firearms who has the mental capacity and responsibility to do so.

.22lr rifle
.22lr pistol
Shotgun
Carry-able defensive pistol in either 9x19/.40S&W/45ACP/.38spl/.357mag
Wild Card, variable depending on the person.

That's as specific as I can get. I won't say "12 gauge pump" for the shotgun because for a lot of people that is simply too much gun. The old, feeble, small female who won't hardly ever practice, etc, would often be better served with a 20 gauge. Just as an example.


If I was to give the list to one of my buddies, that meaning an able bodied youngish male with some firearms interest and a willingness to do a little bit of training, the list might look like this:

Carry-able handgun, preferably a semi auto 9x19 or above
10/22
12 gauge 870
Semi auto centerfire rifle of choice
Wild Card, possibly another handgun of different size

VancMike
May 17, 2012, 03:32 PM
David E: I've never shot a bear, but it seems to me that the soft lead of a 12 gauge slug wouldn't deliver consistent penetration on said bear. Or are certain types of slugs being used?

My un-scientific survey of 12-gauge shell used in AK didn't extend to the type of slug used. And the only bear I've ever shot was a black bear (much smaller than a Kodiak/Brown Bear) with a .32 Win.

So obviously some slugs are more effective than others. But, even in a standard 2 3/4" shell, the slug weighs one oz......that's 437.5 gr. floating along at 1600+ fps, with 2500+ ft. lbs. of muzzle energy (almost 3 times a 44 Mag). At close range, that's gotta hurt a soft-skinned critter.

To Warp's post, I agree. My 20 gauge and .410 shotguns are a lot more fun to shoot....even for a manly man like me!!;)

Warp
May 17, 2012, 03:33 PM
I can give a bit of an answer for what 12 gauge slugs are used for bears in Alaska.

Brenneke.

VancMike
May 18, 2012, 01:26 AM
So finally, I'll get around to my five....at least of those I own now:

1) Sav 24: (that's a .22 rifle & .410 shotgun) (and that's one!);

2) Sav 24V (.222 Rem/20 gauge) (two!);

3) S&W Mdl 586 (.357 Mag/.38 Special)

4) 30-30 Mdl 94 lever;

5) a .22 LR handgun (can't decide between my accurized Ruger Mk II, an lovely S&W Mdl 18, a funky H&R Mdl 939 or a cool Browning 1911-22).

"Very clever", Mike" you say, " you got 6 different cartridges in the first 3 firearms, including 2 shotguns, two rifles and 2 handguns..."

I won't bore you all with my next five......

David E
May 18, 2012, 09:53 AM
I'm surprised #4 wasn't a lever action in .44 magnum (also shoots .44 Special)

And that #5 wasn't a convertible Ruger Single Six (.22 short, long, long rifle, .22 WRF and .22 magnum)

Then your total practical cartridge capability would be 13 (14 if you reloaded .44 Russian and 16 if you reloaded both .38 Short and Long Colt)

I am curious about your next five, tho!

DammitBoy
May 18, 2012, 10:39 AM
Hmmm, I'll play that game with what I've got in the house.

1) Ruger single-six (.22 and .22 magnum)
2) Scout M6 (.22 hornet and .410)
3) Ruger Blackhawk (.357/.38 and 9mm)
4) Puma Legacy carbine (.454 and 45 colt)
5) Benelli M1 Super 90 (12ga.)

Durn, only made it to ten calibers...

Spats McGee
May 18, 2012, 02:55 PM
OK, I'll play. If I were limited to five guns, I would need for them to cover HD/SD, and survival situations (TEOTWAWKI, etc.). That means I'd be looking for: (1) versatility; (2) reliability; (3) ammo & parts supply. With those in mind:

1) Remington 870, 12 ga., or one of several Mossberg models -- (IMO, the 12ga may well be the most versatile chambering on the planet.)
2) .22LR long arm (Ruger 10/22, Marlin 60, or a bolt action)
3) Semi-auto rifle: AR or a Mini-14. (Though an M1A might not be a bad idea. (I'm not very well versed in the "M1 flavors," so I don't know whether M1, M1A, M1A1, M14 or other would be best here.)
4) Pistol is a tough call, but I think Warp has the right idea: "Carry-able defensive pistol in either 9x19/.40S&W/45ACP/.38spl/.357mag." Whether this is to be a semi-auto or revolver and caliber is variable, depending on the person and his or her perceived needs.
5) Bolt action rifle. Which one would depend on what I took for #3, because I like the idea of limiting number of calibers that I would need to stock.

Warp
May 18, 2012, 03:33 PM
For the record, the OP didn't ask what 5 guns you would pick if you were limited to 5 guns.

The OP asked what 5 guns everybody should have. ;)

Spats McGee
May 18, 2012, 03:48 PM
Yeah, I kinda got sidetracked by what 5 I would have. :o

mljdeckard
May 18, 2012, 03:54 PM
Most of the time, for most people, I'm going to stick with exactly what the OP said in the first post.

steveo452
May 19, 2012, 05:28 PM
What I think every body should have.

1- CF rifle
2- CF hand gun
3- RF rifle
4- RF hand gun
5- Shotgun

What I own now to cover these 5

1- CZ 527 7.62x39 w/ VXII 2-7x33 scope
2- Kimber Custom II TLE .45acp
3- CZ 452 American .22lr w/ VXII 3-9-33efr scope
4- Ruger single six .22lr & .22mag.
5- Rem. 870 .12ga. w/3 barrel's

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