removed the mag safety on Browning H-power


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sansone
May 8, 2012, 03:36 PM
did it quite a while ago but wanted to share:

..great modification that I went back and forth over for way too long.
..easy to do and big improvement in trigger pull & feel.
..can drop hammer or fire gun without magazine
..you gotta be real careful not to scratch the beautiful mirror-blue
finish when driving pins (which are really in there)

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Kyle1886
May 8, 2012, 03:44 PM
San, I have an old P-35 that I've though about removing the mag disconnect on. Mine is a beat-up and well used (before I got it) old pistol that shoots great, but the nickel finish is all but gone so I don't need to worry about scratches too much. Can you give me a brief discription on the removal process or point me to a video.

Thank much, stay safe
Kyle

sansone
May 8, 2012, 03:53 PM
pm me and I'll send you the sheet I used as a guide

W.E.G.
May 8, 2012, 04:05 PM
Three words:
Automatic Center Punch

Read my "tutorial."
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=580105&highlight=Browning

sansone
May 8, 2012, 04:14 PM
there you go.. thanks WEG

bdb benzino
May 8, 2012, 04:33 PM
I have done it or had it done to all 3 of mine, and love it! It really is a noticeable difference and improvement.
I am not too worried about the legal issue that some people worry about. I figure if I have to use it in defense, it will be intentional to protect me of my family, and there is nothing about a magazine safety that would change that.

Certaindeaf
May 8, 2012, 04:39 PM
Did you put the pin back? I just used good punches and a little forethought/eyebugging before striking. You're right.. you can/could screw it/them up real good real easy.

sansone
May 8, 2012, 04:43 PM
yeah, I heard about the BS some lawyer could use against you in court regarding the removal of the mag safety. I refuse to make a decision based upon some
(looking for a word that won't offend).. lawyer's idea of what's safe for my family

sansone
May 8, 2012, 04:45 PM
Did you put the pin back? I just used good punches and a little forethought/eyebugging before striking. You're right.. you can/could screw it/them up real good real easy.
did not put pin back in trigger, saved it along with mag plunger

Certaindeaf
May 8, 2012, 04:47 PM
^
I hear you.. was just curious. Either way is fine of course.

SSN Vet
May 8, 2012, 05:16 PM
I pulled mine and though it totally cleaned up the gritty take up.... it did very little for the pull weight.

Swapping out the hammer spring does help trigger pull a LOT.

I also had a smith install and clean up a tool steel sear.

It is now the handgun I shoot most accurately.

GLShooter
May 8, 2012, 08:07 PM
Odd, I handed mine to a 'smith and I never saw it in my guns. I wonder what happened to it? Could mine have not had one? :what:

Greg

Dentite
May 9, 2012, 01:32 PM
Wow looking at WEG's pics makes me feel for that frame! When you use a centerpunch you have realize that you are deforming metal and effectively "staking" the pin making it harder to remove and re-insert.

I never figured the spring would cause much resistance...I'll have to look at mine when I get home.

I gave mine a few raps and nothing so I ended up using my press. I carefully inspected all parts during re-assembly and saw no evidence of damage on the spring so if the spring does fit against the pin it didn't get damaged during removal.

Good medicine for trigger pins:

http://i1137.photobucket.com/albums/n507/jschmiddy/BHP/DSC06346800.jpg

Frame is unscathed after removal of mag disconnect:

http://i1137.photobucket.com/albums/n507/jschmiddy/BHP/DSC06350800.jpg

http://i1137.photobucket.com/albums/n507/jschmiddy/BHP/DSC06348800.jpg

No close ups on this one but it also escaped unscathed:

http://i1137.photobucket.com/albums/n507/jschmiddy/BHP/DSC06375800.jpg

For my two BHPs I can't say removing the mag disconnect greatly impoved the trigger weight but did improve the feel and smoothness. Also mags drop free without the mousetrap mags.

Dentite
May 9, 2012, 01:34 PM
Odd, I handed mine to a 'smith and I never saw it in my guns. I wonder what happened to it? Could mine have not had one?

Greg

Did you buy the pistol used? When I've been on the hunt it seems like 1 out of 4 BHPs out there for sale have already had the mag disconnect removed so if you bought it used the previous owner likely removed it.

I've never heard of any BHP ever coming out of FN without the mag disconnect.

Hope that helps.

WC145
May 9, 2012, 01:52 PM
IIRC from when I removed mine, the pins push out from left to right. That pic of the pistol in the press looks like your pushing it from right to left. Could account for the difficulty you had.

GLShooter
May 9, 2012, 02:39 PM
"Did you buy the pistol used? When I've been on the hunt it seems like 1 out of 4 BHPs out there for sale have already had the mag disconnect removed so if you bought it used the previous owner likely removed it.

I've never heard of any BHP ever coming out of FN without the mag disconnect.

Hope that helps. "

Actually it was used but the 'smiths I use tend to "fix"hings for me. I never have to point things out. Something about, "What the heck is this?" getting said usually means the problem goes away quickly and quietly.

I think it was the early precursor to" Don't ask, Don't tell."
Greg

Dentite
May 9, 2012, 03:27 PM
IIRC from when I removed mine, the pins push out from left to right. That pic of the pistol in the press looks like your pushing it from right to left. Could account for the difficulty you had.

The accepted method is to drive the pin from the right (ejection port side) to the left.

Could it be done the other way? Yes, from my understanding the pin is not tapered (constant diameter) and could be done the other way.

As I understand it the hole in the right (ejection port side) is smaller than the hole in the left side of the frame...this is what keeps it tight.

The fact that the right side (ejection port side) of the pin is elevated above the frame allows you to start with a larger punch (see my photo and others in the link below) to get started and then use a smaller punch to continue to drive the pin the rest of the way through the frame.

Here are two links with posts from two BHP gurus that both indicate the trigger pin should be driven out from the right (ejection port side) to left.

http://hipowertalk.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=494

http://forum.m1911.org/showthread.php?t=98881

The post by Bob Reed in that last link provides some great info.

WC145
May 9, 2012, 03:47 PM
Guess I didn't recall correctly. They say the mind is the second thing to go, apparently they're right.

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