19yr old dies after playing Russian roulette


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gunsmith
February 18, 2004, 03:16 AM
Guess who was never taught gun safety?
http://www.battlecreekenquirer.com/news/stories/20040218/localnews/431703.html

http://www.battlecreekenquirer.com/news/stories/20040217/localnews/426139.html

Man who died playing with gun was talented, friend says

By Trace Christenson
The Enquirer

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A Battle Creek man who died Monday is being remembered as an artist and good friend.

"He was real talented and he was a cool guy," said Maurice Johnson.

Johnson was talking about his friend, Quent L. Warren, 19, who died from a single gunshot wound to his head about 4:15 a.m. Monday.

Battle Creek police said Warren was playing with a handgun in the kitchen of Johnson's home at 235 Ardmoor Drive.

Five witnesses who were in the room told police that Warren placed a single bullet in the cylinder of a .32-caliber revolver and then asked if they would pull the trigger for a million dollars.

Police said Warren was sitting on the lap of a woman when the shooting occurred and she and the others first thought he had fired into the ceiling until he fell from the chair. Police recovered a .32-caliber revolver at the scene. He was pronounced dead several hours later at Borgess Medical Center in Kalamazoo.

Johnson said Tuesday he didn't wish to talk about the shooting but said he had known Warren since elementary school and began spending time together in the sixth or seventh grade.

"He could draw really well and he liked to write music," said Johnson, 17. "He liked animation."

Johnson said Warren also wrote and performed hip-hop music.

"He liked to play music and make it," Johnson said. "He wrote about different topics. He had a lot of talents and he could have pursued any one of them."

Warren also participated in cross country and track at Battle Creek Central High School and enjoyed wrestling and boxing and played junior varsity football at Battle Creek Central.

Warren is survived by his parents and five brothers and four sisters.

Funeral services are pending at the TM Hughes-Perry Mortuary in Battle Creek. Burial will be at Fort Custer National Cemetery.

Trace Christenson covers crime and courts. He can be reached at 966-0685 or

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goalie
February 18, 2004, 03:27 AM
Chlorine in the gene pool.

esheato
February 18, 2004, 04:16 AM
If some responsible adult would have taken this young man to the range when he was a kid....well....we all know....

esheato...

Valkman
February 18, 2004, 04:20 AM
This guy's probably the product of a "safe" home that didn't allow real or play guns. Too bad he wasn't taught about them, he'd probably be alive today. :barf:

stv
February 18, 2004, 04:22 AM
Shot placement, shot placement, shot placement.

P95Carry
February 18, 2004, 04:49 AM
1:5 - 1:6 ........ VERY poor odds.

Sad ... but what an idiot.!

Yes ... sorry ...... but chlorine!

Black Majik
February 18, 2004, 04:54 AM
http://forums.offtopic.com/images/smilies/pat.gif http://forums.offtopic.com/images/smilies/doh.gif

Norton
February 18, 2004, 06:33 AM
But...but...if he'd only had the proper education to know that a gun was dangerous. If only he'd had a trigger lock and integral lock. If only it had been properly secured....oh the humanity....why isn't anyone ever thinking about the children?

OK....I can't go on.....(edited to note dripping sarcasm)



Chlorine....
:banghead:

Model520Fan
February 18, 2004, 06:35 AM
It had nothing to do with safety courses. He knew what he was doing. We do not know why he chose to kill himself.

Diggler
February 18, 2004, 07:11 AM
Charles Darwin, call your office.

I guess he didn't get his million dollars.

TarpleyG
February 18, 2004, 08:02 AM
Guess he'll be in one of those "children" statistics we all keep reading about.

GT

Mulliga
February 18, 2004, 08:52 AM
Gun suicide is never a pretty thing. I doubt anyone that old, no matter how uneducated about guns, ever pulls the trigger because he doesn't know what's going to be coming out of the barrel. I see a troubled young man who never got any help for his problems.

"Death, son. Death comes out of the barrel of a gun."

DadOfThree
February 18, 2004, 10:10 AM
talented and cool does not equal intelligent

Hutch
February 18, 2004, 10:20 AM
I'm sorry for his family's loss. He may have been talented and cool, but he's just as dead. I wonder what a toxicology report on his blood would reveal?

ReadyontheRight
February 18, 2004, 10:30 AM
:banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

fish2xs
February 18, 2004, 10:38 AM
darwin at work. do not disturb...

El Tejon
February 18, 2004, 10:39 AM
Yeehawism rears its ugly, toothless head.:mad:

natedog
February 18, 2004, 11:01 AM
If only he wasn't so stupid...

stevelyn
February 18, 2004, 11:10 AM
Well, you know what Mrs. Gump would say................

Skunkabilly
February 18, 2004, 11:35 AM
and then asked if they would pull the trigger for a million dollars.

Maybe in an 8-shot and $100,000,000,000..... :rolleyes:

Carlos Cabeza
February 18, 2004, 12:05 PM
4:00 am :scrutiny: sounds pretty late or early depending on how you look at it. I'd say up all night, probably drinking and showing off for the ladies. Sorry, but I feel no loss. Was the million in cash sitting on the kitchen table or something ????? :rolleyes:

Baba Louie
February 18, 2004, 12:40 PM
19yr old dies after playing Russian roulette That happens from time to time.
Its a death wish thing.

Ironman
February 18, 2004, 01:54 PM
He prob looked at the chamber and saw the bullet wasnt lined up with the barrel, and being a uneducated moron he forgot the fact that the cylinder turns when you pull the trigger. As others said this wouldnt ahve happened if he wasnt a sheltered kid who has never been taught to handle firearms.

They should have a mandatory gun handling and safety rules in school with dud guns. OMG brain flash for real... I rememeber when I was in 3rd to 5th grade (im 19 right now and in my second year of college) that the local police came to my school with real guns, a revolver and a beretta with the firing pins removed, and other weapons, and taught us saftey and let us handle them for as long as we wanted so it takes the mystery out of it.

wow, my brain kicks ???. lol anyway. We should move that up a notch and teach that class in HS, today in HS classes like select languages and personal fitness are manatory to graduate, we shoudl also have a gun saftey/learning class. I bet the statistics would drop........

Diggler
February 18, 2004, 02:03 PM
Maybe I'm cold hearted, but I have absolutely no sympathy whatsoever for a 19 year old kid who puts a bullet in a gun, puts it to his head and pulls the trigger while playing a game. Any 19 year old knows what a gun can do. What was going through his mind? A .32 caliber slug, obviously...

I can only feel bad for the family for not only having to deal with the death, but also having to deal with the realization that their kid was a complete moron. Then of course they'll sue everyone they can including the gun maker. :banghead:

hansolo
February 18, 2004, 02:36 PM
The deceased teen's parents will probably sue the gun manufacturer and the ammo company. :banghead:

HankB
February 18, 2004, 02:55 PM
Last words: "Hold my beer and watch this!"

A 19 year old should know better . . . I find it really hard to muster up any sympathy for something like this.

OF
February 18, 2004, 02:58 PM
Talented...but not to bright.

Think about this: There is an 1/6(or 1/5 or 1/8 or...) chance that someone playing RR is going to get it. That means that for every story we hear about someone shooting themselves in the head over this, there are (statistically) at least five other stories where someone did it and got away with it.

Those are the ones I'm worried about. Darwin took care of this one. Those other five are still out there. Walking around. Being stupid.

- Gabe

boofus
February 18, 2004, 03:07 PM
Wonder when we'll read about the dumbass that decided to play roulette with an automatic? Hehe. The odds are definitely worse than 1:6 there. :neener:

Kinsman
February 18, 2004, 03:11 PM
My condolences to the family.

grnzbra
February 18, 2004, 03:13 PM
He prob looked at the chamber and saw the bullet wasnt lined up with the barrel, and being a uneducated moron he forgot the fact that the cylinder turns when you pull the trigger.

I guess the manufacturer is going to be sued for not having a "bullet not aligned with barrel but about to be rotated into position" indicator. If only he had had one of those indicators, the world would not have lost this promising young genius. Who knows what he might have done? Why he might have cured cancer or aids. Or he could have become a great world leader and brought peace to the middle east and other trouble spots. And world hunger; he might have ended that. But Nooooo. That evil manufacturer, in an effort to enhance his bottom line, (greedy thing that he is) chose not to put a "bullet not aligned with barrel but about to be rotated into position" indicator.

Amadeus
February 18, 2004, 03:19 PM
Dumb accidents like this make the whole shooting community look bad.

His family will never recover from this.

This really goes beyond firearm education. This speaks to a deeper and far more disturbing issue facing our national community. There is a prevelant philosophy of detachment. It's the "that can't happen to me" syndrome. People feel that they are not a part of the world and they seem to believe that their actions are dismissable and without effect upon themselves or those around them. That life is separate from reality. It's a perception of disbelief and of refusing to take responsibility. It's the same ideal that allows for people to sue a car company after smacking into a wall because they thought cruise control was the same as "auto-pilot". People have come to believe that they are not to blame for anything. They have become numb, and detached. Take for example what one of the witnesses said. They thought he fired into the ceiling. She could not believe that reality had just occurred in her own lap. We have entered a realm of existance where we cannot fathom that reality is among us -- every day -- and its effects are palpable. I am not going to begin seeking explanations or laying blame on any one facet of our society. But I think we are in great need of a re-education and a new exploration of our values as humans.

If you bite your lip it is going to hurt. If you prick your finger it will bleed. If you put a loaded gun to your head, and pull the trigger you will kill yourself and ruin the lives of those around you. Take responsibility, people. STOP ACTING STUPID!!!

Thanks. I'm done now.

P95Carry
February 18, 2004, 03:50 PM
Amadeus - you hit several nails square on there. I promulgate the opposite approach myself ... and did with my kids ... ''It CAN happen to me'' ..... and so live defensively, if you like.

This ''can't happen to me'' apathy is endemic ..... no, probably pandemic in this young 21st century.

And I'll add my usual small caveat too . ''Don't assume'', and ''Expect the unexpected'' .... kinda helps to keep the gremlins away a bit.

I do feel sympathy for this moron's family ... tho I fear they are possibly themselves potential Darwin candidates .... that or, the moron was high on something and lost all neuronic connections!

Amadeus
February 18, 2004, 03:57 PM
Thanks P95. You're probably right that this is pandemic. Sounds to me like you've got the right outlook with your family. Living defensively is really a good way to go about the world. It keeps you thinking.

gunsmith
February 18, 2004, 06:51 PM
has it right, it's why the bear/mountain lion threads get so much traffic.
To us it makes perfect sense to bring a firearm with us when venturing
around areas with large dangerous animals about,to the "west wing" tv show people, guys like us are just waiting to shoot a cute mtn lion cub because we have nothing better to do. As if you can reason with a mtn lion or banging a pan works 100% of the time.
They tell us we don't need guns because we are in an urban enviroment
with no bears or lions,we go out to the state parks were there are
bears or lions and they still pass laws saying you can not carry guns...:fire:

greyhound
February 18, 2004, 07:30 PM
Nobody has said it yet so I will bring it up, then duck.

Its said that he "wrote and performed hip hop music".

To what extent could "keepin it real" and "gotta be hard" have factored into this tragedy, i.e. gotta be a tough guy?.

And yes "hip hop music" does not mean hardcore gangsta rap, necessarily, but it can.

Then again, he was 19 - he could have been trying to impress the girl on his lap, just in a terrible way.

I've been very critical of the whole "rap culture" here many times. I want to cry at what it is doing to our young people.

But in fairness, I understand it may have nothing to do with this tragedy.
But then again, it might.

GoRon
February 18, 2004, 07:35 PM
Reading between the lines: youth, alcohol and/or drugs, firearm. Sad story.

Standing Wolf
February 18, 2004, 07:49 PM
John F. Kerry, Viet Nam veteran, loses another of his esteemed, but awfully dumb supporters.

Matt G
February 18, 2004, 07:57 PM
Everything that needs to be said, has been said here.

And more.

Thread closed.

-M.G.

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