range won't let me keep my own brass!?


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dubya450
May 9, 2012, 03:05 PM
Just left the range I've been going to for a few years and when i finished shooting I was picking up my brass until the owner came in and said once the brass hits the floor I can't take it! My own ammo! Have you guys ever heard of such a thing?

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CMC
May 9, 2012, 03:09 PM
No but I would not return to that place, sounds like a greedy crook.
you can buy a brass catcher so the brass dont hit the deck.

parsimonious_instead
May 9, 2012, 03:09 PM
Not in my area, luckily. However, I have heard about this - I forgot if it was on THR or another gun forum, but apparently the person posting about the range policy very diligently ejected their revolver brass into a container on the shooting bench and was yelled at for taking it.
Aside from that, how did they know you were picking it up for yourself and not just being nice and cleaning up after yourself??

351 WINCHESTER
May 9, 2012, 03:10 PM
You need to find another range.

CountryUgly
May 9, 2012, 03:15 PM
Sounds like theft to me. I mean if your cell phone falls out of your pocket and hits the floor does that make it his too. I think not and neither is your brass. Pick up your hulls leave and don't go back.

Josh45
May 9, 2012, 03:20 PM
I have to agree with everyone else here.
Find another range. That's just nonsense.

JERRY
May 9, 2012, 03:20 PM
id go there with steel case (Tul or Wolf Ammo) and or aluminum case (CCI ammo) ammo and let them have it.

steveno
May 9, 2012, 03:21 PM
he is probably selling it to a reloader somewhere. I would find aluminum , steel or brass cased rounds that are berdan primed and shoot a few of them there. once that starts messing up the reloading machines and they have to start sorting it their cheap source of brass ain't so cheap anymore.

Skribs
May 9, 2012, 03:24 PM
The range I go to likes to use the brass people sweep up to do reloads, but they don't demand that you leave it there.

Ryanxia
May 9, 2012, 03:25 PM
I've heard of a few people saying that. Some places to go so far as to require you to buy their (overpriced) ammo and STILL not get to keep the brass. They generally sell it to reloaders.

Find another range. I wouldn't even shoot at a range with a range officer let alone one that bosses you around :)

Rail Driver
May 9, 2012, 03:25 PM
id go there with steel case (Tul or Wolf Ammo) and or aluminum case (CCI ammo) ammo and let them have it.
That's exactly what I did at a range I visited a couple times while I was in Vegas last summer - The RO gave me crap for collecting my LC 5.56 brass, so the next day instead of bringing my good brass cased ammo, I got my dad and a few friends and we went out there with around 2000 rds of Tula and Wolf ammo so I could "demonstrate" the new SSAR-15 stock I had at the time - The RO (same guy) had the gall to ask if we were going to clean up all our steel cases. I told him quite clearly what he could do with it.

230RN
May 9, 2012, 03:27 PM
It's easy to look at it as part of the range fees, or general shooting costs like the gas you use to get to the range. I recognize that range owners get some good bucks from recycling (re-smelting or re-loading),but:

Part of the shooting sports is individual reloading for best performance, completely aside from the money-saving aspect of it.

Even fireforming your cases to your chamber and then neck-sizing only is a legitimate recognized accuracy enhancer for rifles, and I would not shoot at a range where I could not salvage my own fireformed brass.

Terry, 230RN

GBExpat
May 9, 2012, 03:27 PM
Just left the range I've been going to for a few years and when i finished shooting I was picking up my brass until the owner came in and said once the brass hits the floor I can't take it! My own ammo! Have you guys ever heard of such a thing?

Is that "detail" clearly posted at the range?

If so, I would never return. If not I would first complete the retrieval of my brass and then never return.

JMO

Owen Sparks
May 9, 2012, 03:31 PM
I would have no problem with the rule as long as it is plainly stated. A local skeet range used to have a big red sign saying:

ALL EMPTY SHELLS BECOME RANGE PROPERTY.

I would have a real problem if I were NOT told in advance or if the sign were posted where I could not see it until after I had paid.

Make sure it is not in the fine print of the release form you sign. When in doubt ask.

Another sign I have seen said:
All UNCLAIMED brass becomes range property.

In other words, you could pick up your own brass just not that left behind by other peoples who did not want it. To me that sounds reasonable.

Again, when in doubt ask and let them know that your patronage depends on you being allowed to retrieve your brass.

ErikO
May 9, 2012, 03:41 PM
Thankfully, I shoot at a range that lets you grab anything that is the cold side of the firing line. Anything over the red line stays where it is at unless you volunteer to clean the lanes after hours.

I just have to pick a night that I can volunteer. :D

fatcat4620
May 9, 2012, 03:44 PM
The range I go to charges a dollar a box to shoot steel case but they also let you keep your brass (and any other you might pick up with it).

Atom Smasher
May 9, 2012, 03:47 PM
The local indoor public range I shoot at has signs clearly posted that brass that is forward of the line is considered range property- this is a policy I actually have no problem with. With an outdoor range, where the line is called cold to post/repost targets and whatnot, this policy is a little more lame. But yeah, if you don't like a range's policies, find a new range.

ny32182
May 9, 2012, 03:51 PM
They sell the brass to commercial reloaders, either for cash, or for discount on loaded ammo from said reloader.

You are going to pay for it one way or another. If the policy was that you could take all the brass you could carry, you'd just be paying the difference in higher line rental fee.

I believe the local policy at the indoor range here is that you can pick up your own brass if it is marked, but not brass that didn't come out of your gun.

FIVETWOSEVEN
May 9, 2012, 03:55 PM
id go there with steel case (Tul or Wolf Ammo) and or aluminum case (CCI ammo) ammo and let them have it.

That is what I would recommend. Get an AK 74 and a spam can of surplus ammo and use it all in one session.

Owen Sparks
May 9, 2012, 04:04 PM
You should have no problem with ANY range policy on brass provided you are informed in advance of entering exactly what the policy is. After all it is private property and you have a free choice to come in or not.

I once went to a day long shooting seminar. The first half of the day all class room instruction. We were not told of the ranges brass policy until after lunch when we actually were on the firing line ready to shoot. I was working with a .44 Special revolver and did not want to donate my expensive brass especially since I was not told in advance. I told the owner that since I had not agreed to that condition therefore the rule was not legally binding. The range owner agreed and it was resolved amicably.

JohnBT
May 9, 2012, 04:11 PM
I shot at a range like that once. I reminded the owner that because of the rule every single piece of brass on the floor was his and was a hazard and I sincerely hoped someone - me - didn't slip and fall because of his brass littering the floor.

He looked like a deer in the headlights when he realized the consequences of claiming ownership of all the trash on the floor.

John

JohnBT
May 9, 2012, 04:12 PM
Can they reload my brass after I've stepped on it? :o

Rail Driver
May 9, 2012, 04:17 PM
There's always the option of a brass catcher too - You can easily make one from a laundry bag, a wire hanger and a strip of velcro, or you can buy one of the many rifle mounted or standalone units that are offered for sale.

S&W620
May 9, 2012, 04:22 PM
Just so I have this straight, reloaders (who probably shoot more than the average gun owner) are unable to clean up their own mess and reload the brass that they purchased so they may return to the range and again pay a range fee?

Sounds like a fantastic way to alienate customers.

If the ranges want free brass, I'm sure there are plenty of folks who'd rather not take the time to gather theirs. No need to bother reloaders. FWIW, I don't reload.

Owen Sparks
May 9, 2012, 04:23 PM
They have to inform you about the brass rule before you enter.
There have been court cases over things like this.

DMH
May 9, 2012, 04:28 PM
duby450, I do not know what range in Minnesota you are going to, but I have used Bill's in Lino Lakes and have had no issues with recovering any of my brass. I would not go back to that range with any of my center fires if I was told I could not recover my own brass. They are mine and have been for years and several reloads, no ifs, ands or buts about it! I could understand if you where in the way of other customers or causing any safety related concerns.

DMH

dprice3844444
May 9, 2012, 04:33 PM
i'd take them to small claims court just for grins,that is blatantly theft

627PCFan
May 9, 2012, 04:35 PM
I know my range frowns on getting brass forward of the line by sweeping it back with the range broom. Occasionally i acciddently shuck a 35 Remington case forward, and it prompty gets retrieved regardless.

armoredman
May 9, 2012, 04:38 PM
ALL EMPTY SHELLS BECOME RANGE PROPERTY.

I would inform them that I will never spend a dime in their establishment and will encourage all of my extensive circle of gun owning friends and acquaintances to likewise shoot elsewhere as long as they are determined to steal lawfully owned property. Merely by leaving my empty car in their parking lot does not relinquish my ownership of the vehicle as long as I return to drive it away within the business day, or any specified time period on a clearly marked sign in the lot, i.e., "30 Min Park Only". If I leave the range, then I have donated any left over items, whether it be used brass or used lead, to the owners of the establishment. If not, I will recover what I brought in with me within reason, i.e., brass behind the line and I don't intend to sift through the bullet traps for my lead.

Carl N. Brown
May 9, 2012, 04:49 PM
I shoot an old Mauser C96 that I have to handload 7.92mm (.312 inch) bullets to get any accuracy (the worn-out bore looks like polygonal rifling). I would not shoot at a range that did not allow me to keep my brass.

Another reason to hate indoor ranges, beside the fact that shooting has always been an outdoor activity for me.

LTR shooter
May 9, 2012, 04:54 PM
My brass costs me and I sure as hec will not shoot at any range where they feel it is their right to keep my brass because it hit the floor. I'm already paying a fee to shoot there and they want to claim my property as well?:confused:

rajb123
May 9, 2012, 05:01 PM
Brass is dear since commodity prices are high. ...blame that on Ben Benranke who keeps printing money...

dubya450
May 9, 2012, 05:22 PM
Wow I can't believe how many replies I've got already! To answer one of the questions, no there is not a sign anywhere saying to leave the brass nor is it in print anywhere. There must not have been anyone there yet since there was no brass on the floor when we got there so I started sweeping my brass and he came in and said oh you don't have to clean up, I said I'm keeping it to load at home. Nope. I go to this range 4-8 times a month and just started reloading. This place is a little cheaper and not as busy as the range across the highway, now i know why and they not only lost my business but about 6 other buddies and family that tag along with me.

dubya450
May 9, 2012, 05:26 PM
DMH, this is Metro gun club and its in Blaine only about 2 miles from Bills. I usually prefer metro because its not quite as busy and I had a bad experience at bills last year because some dummy was trying to clear a jam and fired the gun accidentally directly to his left and into the wall. Luckily he was on the end lane and I was to his right! But its back to Bills from now on anyway.

W.E.G.
May 9, 2012, 05:46 PM
Build an effective brass catcher, and sell it to the other shooters.

dubya450
May 9, 2012, 05:52 PM
Yeah ill definitely build a few of them and rent about 8 lanes with my buddies and have each one of em use a catcher and see how the owner likes that.

Jeff22
May 9, 2012, 05:52 PM
You can always shoot your .22s there

Whenever I shoot at a commercial range that's really busy at that particular time, I just take a variety of my .22s to shoot and don't worry about brass recovery.

Otherwise, I'm a total brass whore because I save it and trade it off to my local commercial reloader

e3mrk
May 9, 2012, 06:01 PM
One Range I shoot at lets Me take all the Brass I want as long as I promise not to sell it.
I always go Home with a lot more than I started with.

SleazyRider
May 9, 2012, 08:27 PM
Policies like this remind me of a carnival merry-go-round where the owner has the price jacked up so high that only a handful of riders are on the ride. It cost the same amount of money to operate the ride---insurance, maintenance, electricity---yet the ride has unfilled seats that are losing money. Far better would it be to reduce the price of a ticket until the ride fills up.

The range is very similar. Overhead remains the same, and there's no loss of inventory when you use the range---it's pure profit. If you take your business elsewhere, the owner loses big time. They also lose the opportunity to sell ammo, targets, and other supplies. A poor businessman, indeed.

The-Reaver
May 9, 2012, 08:30 PM
Yeah, I'd like to see him stop me from picking up what's mine. Then I would just not return.

joecil
May 9, 2012, 08:37 PM
I shot mostly at an indoor range owned by Bud's (the same one selling guns on the internet). Now they just built a new store and range here in Lexington. The range is state of the art so I can even shoot black powder in it as well as having a reaction range also. Now they have no problem with you picking up what ever brass is within reach at least that I've seen. Their original location in Paris, KY it was different however the price per hour is still the same by the way. I have a yearly membership so not a problem getting range times either though I tend to go on weekdays when less than a few hundred people in their store at any given moment.

JustinJ
May 9, 2012, 08:40 PM
One local range doesn't like people picking up their brass because people tend to pick up the brass others leave behind which they feel is theirs. They complain every now and then but i tell them i only pick up the same number of cases i shoot. Some people i've seen will bring in large nets and position them to catch ejected brass.

Shooting steel cased ammo isn't showing a range whats up, as some seem to believe, given how easy it is to seperate with a magnet.

DMH
May 9, 2012, 08:43 PM
Dubya450, I have not been to Metro Gun Club since the early 80's. I like outdoor shooting at Oakdale Gun Club, Wild Wings North in Pine City or the one on HWY 23 east of the Casino in Hinckley MN. For indoor Its just been Bill's ($21.40 lane and tax) no time limit. I have not had them say a thing about picking up brass and I always keep track of the brass. I remember once spending 15 minutes (wasting 15 minutes) finding one 32-20 case. Finally found that one. The guys at Bill's are friendly and helpful.

DMH

Crashbox
May 9, 2012, 08:48 PM
I would absolutely refuse to shoot ANYWHERE that insists on STEALING what is rightfully mine, namely, the brass I own. Any outfit that does so should be sued out of existence, PERIOD.

SlamFire1
May 9, 2012, 09:06 PM
Greedy brass thieves.

Find another range.

tightgroup tiger
May 9, 2012, 09:09 PM
The range I belong to tried the same thing. I told them my brass was my property and I WOULD collect it, we got in an argument, They finally agreed to let me keep what is on the carpet we stand and walk on. If it hits the floor in the shooting lane in front of me, than it is theirs.

I felt that was a reasonable agreement because your not alowed to reach into the shooting lane anyways for insurance reasons on behalf of the owner of the range. It blew over and we are all friends again.

tekarra
May 9, 2012, 09:43 PM
I have not encountered this before but When I was trap shooting, any hull that hit the ground belonged to the club. If you took the hull out of the chamber it was yours. The clubs picked up the hulls and sold them back to reloaders. It was part of the rnage fees.

Fishslayer
May 9, 2012, 09:56 PM
I've heard of it but never been to a range like that. Nor would I frequent a range that didn't let me keep my brass.

he is probably selling it to a reloader somewhere. I would find aluminum , steel or brass cased rounds that are berdan primed and shoot a few of them there. once that starts messing up the reloading machines and they have to start sorting it their cheap source of brass ain't so cheap anymore.

I LIKE that idea!:evil:

Steel & aluminium probably wouldn't bollocks the system like some Berdan primed brass tho... :D

writerinmo
May 9, 2012, 10:02 PM
The range I shoot at, I always leave my brass. Of course, I shoot at my buddy's place and he reloads and I don't and he will occasionally plop down a box of reloads on the bench when I show up, so I think it works out well for both of us, although he kinda gives me crap when I show up with my mosin and copper-washed steel ammo or my Saiga that I shoot Tulammo out of.

dubya450
May 9, 2012, 10:07 PM
DMH, does the range in pine city have an outdoor rifle range? I need to sight in my new m70 and don't want to drive way up to our land or use Bills 50 yard indoor range. Especially since its a 338 wm (loud!) I drive by the one in oakdale quite a bit in my dump truck since i work in that area. Think ill stop in after work one day.

dubya450
May 9, 2012, 10:09 PM
Do any of you guys use a net? If so what did you make it with? The only reason I'd consider going back to that range is because I like to bring new people into the shooting world and with not as many people at that range compared to others its probably less intimidating for whoever I'm teaching how to shoot.

thorazine
May 9, 2012, 10:17 PM
I'd just find a new place to shoot.

dubya450
May 9, 2012, 10:28 PM
I've got two free passes for the newer and nicer range (Bills) anyway. Its nice because any firearm purchase from them you get a free range pass for two people and a free gun rental and their guns are pretty fairly priced too.

lono
May 9, 2012, 10:41 PM
Find a new place to shoot and tell him nicely why you did.

TennJed
May 9, 2012, 11:03 PM
I guess it is his right as the owner, but I would take my business elsewhere and let him know why.

denton
May 9, 2012, 11:33 PM
If the policy is not made known to you before you pay your range fee, you have not contracted to give the range owner the brass, and it remains yours. Owning a business does not give you power to appropriate the property of others. Only the government can do that.

AABEN
May 9, 2012, 11:43 PM
I am glad that I live in IN where the range is free and you can pick up your brass or the man that is beside me if he does not want it.

Hotshot10
May 9, 2012, 11:45 PM
Buy a revolver... :D Kidding.

I'd find a new range, but then again, I reload. Personally, I wouldn't buy a box of factory ammunition if I knew I couldn't keep the brass after shooting.

DMH
May 9, 2012, 11:52 PM
Dubya450, The Pine City (Wild Wings North) is out door trap and clays. They also have outdoor 3d walk through archery range. But they have 450 acres they use for hunting and dog training. They will put out pheasants and chuckars. I have never asked about 100 yard rifle range. Or if they may have an area to use for rifle. They are very accommodating. However, 20 minutes North is the Hinckley out door range and it only gets lightly used ($15.00 a year membership). 100 yard and 50 yard.

DMH

dubya450
May 10, 2012, 12:00 AM
I might have to head to the hinckly range then soon. Our company actually has alot of work up there this year (road construction on 35) and ill probably be holed up in a hotel for a month or two so if i get time I think I'll head over there. Thanks for the info its appreciated.

Cory

The Lone Haranguer
May 10, 2012, 12:03 AM
I have never had this happen. The ranges I shoot at never had a problem with my picking up my own brass, behind the firing line, off the floor. If they did, I would say we'd have a serious problem.

dubya450
May 10, 2012, 12:10 AM
Yeah I couldn't believe what I heard. I was shocked that he was that greedy that I couldn't grab my own brass that I had paid for. I could understand if there was 3000 cases from other customers left laying around or if it was posted on the wall or in print but like I said, my buddy and i were the first customers of the day and the only brass down was mine. Oh well, he can have the 400 pieces whatever that's worth to him but he just lost at least 6 customers who go 20+ times a year to his range. Not a very good business man if ya ask me!

hso
May 10, 2012, 12:14 AM
Clear the area before you shoot so that "your" brass doesn't mix with "their" brass so there's no question about you inadvertently taking other people's brass and discuss it with the operator.

JERRY
May 10, 2012, 12:18 AM
Hes calling yor bluff and counting on you coming back because hes the cheapest per hour in town. Figuring that most wont care about their brass.........hes ok losing you and your friends.

He will have to hear word of mouth from other folks who quit going there before he will care what you say.

awgrizzly
May 10, 2012, 12:24 AM
If it isn't clearly posted they can't stop you from picking up your brass as long as you can do it safely. That's the bottom line and I believe it will hold up in small claims court. I live in Duluth and shoot at the United Northern Sportsman range on Island lake (25/50/100/200/300 yard rifle, 25/50 yard handgun, shotgun and archery ranges as well as boat docks and camping). There are usually only a few people there weekdays (if any) and they charge $35 a year dues. Hearing about the woes of those not far south of me I feel very fortunate. =o)

DMH
May 10, 2012, 12:25 AM
Dubya450, It's on the north side of Hwy 23 and east of the casino by 3-5 miles. About half way to the Wisconsin boarder. Two flag poles out front with American and pow/mia flags Gated drive, no visible buildings from 23, but walk in 60 yards on the road and there is outhouse, covered four station 100 yard range and and open top two station 25-50 yard range. Hinckley Conservation Club

DMH

dubya450
May 10, 2012, 12:43 AM
Okay so its pretty much between hinckly and danbury? I ride my dirtbike and camp there in the st croix state forest, I'm pretty sure I know where you're talking about. That's nice I can kill two birds with one stone now, go dirtbiking for a day and go shooting in the morning. Sounds like a great weekend to me!

blarby
May 10, 2012, 01:16 AM
Messaging w/ owner on FB to see what their policy is...I'll post it here if I actually get it :)

ApacheCoTodd
May 10, 2012, 01:54 AM
My range changed sometime prior to my last visit to a policy that you can only pick up your own. Sometimes difficult to prove but I saw no real serious enforcement so I'm thinking that along with their ability to send it off to scrap, they're limiting the between fire iteration times by not allowing cheap scavenger/shooters to scramble around on other peoples time for the free money sitting on the ground.

Panzercat
May 10, 2012, 02:02 AM
I've had range officers here at Ben Avery (AZ) ask if they could keep my spent 30-30, but never prohibit its removal. Yeah, find another range or better yet, find the range manager. Something tells me that's under the table happenings there.

QuietEarp
May 10, 2012, 02:17 AM
I like posts #21 and #31. The brass is your property. If they say that once it hits the floor it is their property then I love the threat of slipping on it and the lawsuit that follows to show how stupid that policy is.
I think that such a policy won't last long.

dubya450
May 10, 2012, 02:48 AM
Blarby, you messaged metro gun club on Facebook? Or your range? Ill have to check their Facebook and do the same thing. Maybe if i can get a few buddies to do the same they'll re-think their "rule"

Panzercat, that was actually ron or Roy, whatever his name is, the range owner. If it were just an employee I'd be skeptical about him just wanting the brass for himself.

blarby
May 10, 2012, 02:58 AM
On facebook. Private message, and provided a link to this thread in the "recommendations" section.

dubya450
May 10, 2012, 03:05 AM
Cool, ill check out their page as well. Good thinking!

toivo
May 10, 2012, 03:12 AM
I would have no problem with the rule as long as it is plainly stated. A local skeet range used to have a big red sign saying:

ALL EMPTY SHELLS BECOME RANGE PROPERTY.
I don't know -- I still have a problem with that. I picture breaking open my shotgun and going to put the shell in my pouch when somebody yells, "Hold on there! Hand over that shell!"

Or is there going to be a checkpoint where you have to dump your pouch on your way to the parking lot? The whole thing sounds kind of Big Brother to me.

dubya450
May 10, 2012, 03:19 AM
Blarby, I just looked at the page lol, I wonder how they'll like that link being on their main wall for EVERYONE to see. Maybe they should start letting people keep what's rightfully theirs.

blarby
May 10, 2012, 03:51 AM
*deleted*


Looks like the club I was gonna reference changed their verbiage after some prodding !

Centurian22
May 10, 2012, 04:49 AM
Wow I have never heard of this but after reading all of the replys it is apparently more common than I would have imagined! Posts like this make me value my very laid back , but still very safety conscious, outdoor gun club range. Good luck in your search of a resolution or a new range!

DocGanz
May 10, 2012, 06:45 AM
The owner cannot keep the brass just because he says so. You purchased the brass and can leave with the brass. Even if he has his little policy in writing, it would never hold up. Personally, I would keep my brass no matter what he had to say. If he calls the cops, so be it. Tell him to go pound it or find another range. Better yet, contact the Attorney General's office in your state and let them deal with it. Also, contact your local law enforcement and see if those guys shoot at the same range - on and off the job. See what they think of his little policy. If you feel really ambitious and want to stand up for what is yours, file a suit in small claims court for the cost of the brass that he kept. Make sure your local newspaper picks up the story as soon as you file. Notify your nearest NRA chapter representative and other local shooting organizations. Notify your local gun shops. NEVER claim defeat when you are fighting morons.

evan price
May 10, 2012, 07:08 AM
Sounds like a great way to annoy a shooter. How much does it cost to replace a shot-up target holder, versus a box of brass?

GlockMasterG9
May 10, 2012, 07:17 AM
This is exactly how my range is. There greedy SOB"s lucky I shoot at my own place now.

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Sav .250
May 10, 2012, 08:35 AM
Never heard of that.

Is there any sign posted stating that fact?

j1
May 10, 2012, 08:41 AM
If the rules were clearlly posted I would have no problem with them.

45_auto
May 10, 2012, 09:23 AM
The owner cannot keep the brass just because he says so. You purchased the brass and can leave with the brass. Even if he has his little policy in writing, it would never hold up.

Good luck with that one in court. Try getting them to let you have your lead back also, you paid for that just like your brass.

Owen Sparks
May 10, 2012, 12:10 PM
This is really simple.

The range is private property.

In order to use it you agree to exchange something of value for time on the range.

That usually means money but the range owner may also want your empty brass as part of the exchange. In other words, you are making a free and voluntary exchange of something he wants,
money and brass, for something you want, use of his range.

That is just fine.

The problem I had was that I was NOT INFORMED that my empty brass was part of the deal prior to paying and entering the range.

This is not about range owners keeping your brass as part of a free and voluntary exchange. This is about range owners not informing you beforehand and then demanding that you not recover your property.

denton put it best when he said:
If the policy is not made known to you before you pay your range fee, you have not contracted to give the range owner the brass, and it remains yours. Owning a business does not give you power to appropriate the property of others. Only the government can do that.

Spoken like a true libertarian!

revolvergeek
May 10, 2012, 12:22 PM
An indoor range here did that for a little while when they had a change of management - no steel or aluminum cased ammo, anything that hits the floor is theirs. A LOT of people (myself included) quit shooting there and they abandoned the policy pretty quickly.

dubya450
May 10, 2012, 12:43 PM
No it isn't posted anywhere. Not yet anyway. Even as I was walking out the front door the girl who runs the cash register and what not, asked me again if i took the brass. I was pretty irritated by the time i got to my truck.

blarby
May 10, 2012, 12:58 PM
Ok, spoke with them on the phone a few minutes ago. What I was told is that if you bring your own , or buy there- you can keep your brass. They said they would appreciate being told in advance so they can sweep you a space....if you bring in 50 brass, you can bring 50 brass out, etc. Didn't mention anything about signs, or them keeping brass that is yours, and you want to keep. Just thought I'd post my findings.

au01st
May 10, 2012, 01:00 PM
Just started going to an indoor range here. They ask that you clean up your own brass. If you want to keep it, cool, if not, there are buckets behind the line, one for .22, one for everything else. This is a pistols only range. I feel this is a fair policy, and I've never walked to the line and seen brass on the floor, so it seems most customers agree with me.

Bob72
May 10, 2012, 01:01 PM
I shoot at an indoor range about 30% of the time. I have only seen one other person collect their brass. I would think that there are not enough reloaders picking up to alienate them. Our range officers monitor us via close circuit tv. I have seen them come down to stop unsafe acts,never to scold about picking up brass. I would stop going there if they did.:barf:

blarby
May 10, 2012, 01:08 PM
This is the FB response I got from them :

"We allow you to police your own brass if you notify us before you head into the range. Once we get the area cleaned up, then you can police your own. The reason that we need notification is that we have had too many people that will go and clean out the entire pistol bay and take every last piece of brass in there."


Hopefully he stops by, and might be able to explain the discrepancy regarding their policy, and what you experienced.

I'd also like to know how this is posted, if at all.

Might have a staff issue, might have a posting issue, might have both. Lets get some answers, and some resolution for you ! Unhappy shooting, regardless of where you go- shouldn't happen ! Its supposed to be anger management, not anger additive :D

goon
May 10, 2012, 01:14 PM
I like the berdan primed brass option, but honestly, I think you should have just informed them that they'd just lost a customer, cleaned up your brass, and left.
What are they going to do? Physically restrain you from cleaning up a few 9mm casings? Please do that to me... and I'll own your range when the lawsuit is settled.

Anyone know of a range that needs a new proprietor and is dumb enough to assault you for cleaning brass up off the floor?

kb58
May 10, 2012, 01:14 PM
1. It's their range and they can come up with any rules they want.
2. If the rules aren't well posted, that's their problem.
3. If users don't like it, go elsewhere.

In the end, it's their right to have whatever rules they want - poorly thought-through or not. If they make bad business decisions, capitalism will eventually take care of them. In the meantime, catching the brass in a bag seems like a good tactic if you have no other range to go to.

blarby
May 10, 2012, 01:30 PM
Ahhhhhhhh, more comes to light :

From FB, again.


"I actually heard about the incident yesterday, The gal who went in told me about it. She was under the impression that no one could keep their brass, as that was the policy at the last range she worked at. I explained our policy to her and she now understands, If you know the person that had the encounter with her if you could extend our apologies to them that would be great. Have them come and see me (JT) next time they come in and I will get them taken care of."

blarby
May 10, 2012, 01:39 PM
The owner would like to speak with the concerned party and work it out.

So, thats resolved...... Now, when you get him on the phone, ask about signage.

I love a happy ending in progress.........

There's complaining to hear the chorus, and complaining for remedy or change.... I think we've made a little positive change here. Have a great day !

dubya450
May 10, 2012, 02:16 PM
Guess it was all a misunderstanding, ill go in there again this weekend and talk to him. I don't think they realized I was taking only my brass and that's all that was on the floor. Ill go make amends and see if we can get a sign with the policy of brass put up.

Thanks for the little investigation blarby ! Hopefully it will be all good now that the misunderstanding is cleared up and my friends and I can still continue to use the range (the one we wanted to anyway) and I can keep MY brass

Old krow
May 10, 2012, 02:20 PM
There are 4-5 ranges within driving distance of my house, probably a couple that I don't know about. Of all of those, only one has a sign posted that prohibits the retrieval of brass. It's also the farthest away, so it doesn't bother me in the least to pass them up.

DMH
May 10, 2012, 04:52 PM
Blarby, Nice job! Your a class act. My hats off to you. Have a great day.

DMH

Owen Sparks
May 10, 2012, 05:48 PM
There have been numberous court cases where people paid a fee to do something and once inside they were charged additional service fees that were not part of the advertised price. For example, a man books a hotel room at a luxury resort in another state. He is not told that he can not park his own car and must use the expensive valet parking service provided by the hotel. He refuses to pay. The hotel took him to court and he won and was also compensated for his expenses because when he booked the room and was given a price no mention of parking fees were made.

When these cases end up in court the business always looses. If a range demands to keep your brass which is of monitary value, this is no different than charging you a hidden fee without letting you know up front.

dubya450
May 10, 2012, 06:05 PM
+1 DMH
Blarby did a good thing and poked around and got a good response from the owner of the range. Props to him because now the owner and i should be able to come to some sort of compromise where we can still shoot there and keep OUR brass (my spendy 10mm & 5.7x28 & 41 mag) and he keeps our business. Thanks again!

ElToro
May 10, 2012, 06:17 PM
My local indoor range for a while was making people run a sharpie pen ovee the back of the ammo you bring. To show its yours if u want to take home. I thought that was pretty chintzy. Most of the tim my auto loader brass hits the wall of the shooting lane and b ounces in the range. Gone forever. Whatevs I don't reload currently but I do save whatever brass I can for some day when I will. I agree that if it is not posted somewhere clear then I'd tell them to go pound sand

.338-06
May 10, 2012, 06:43 PM
The range I shoot at is public and you can pick up brass or not. I've picked up thousands of cases while shooting. The range also has 'gleaners' guys who come in after the range is closed to pick up brass! The only 'problem' I have is the blessed .40 shooters don't seem to reload and I have to pick through their shells for 9mm & .45. :cuss:

I've also shot at ranges where you had to shoot ammo the range sold. That range asked if you were going to collect the brass, if you were, you paid a higher price for the ammo. Very up front about their policies and very polite. They also rented guns, which made me feel better about using their ammo.

langenc
May 10, 2012, 06:49 PM
Call the range and see what they sell the brass for??

Find another range and let em know why!!

exbrit49
May 10, 2012, 10:07 PM
This is true but if you push the issue, they will probably ask you not to return. As for me you wouldnt catch me in there. I reload ALL my ammo and not one else is going to put their grabbing mitts on my brass.
Find another range!

Ps I do buy fired brass from several souces and one guy told me he gets 400 pounds of mixed brass a month that he buys from a range.
MMmm $2.16 x 400 lbs. that range is making an extra $860 per month!!!! even at scrap pricing and you know they are getting more than that for clean brass for reloading!

Roger

Ledgehammer
May 10, 2012, 10:35 PM
My range says no steel cased ammo and you can't pick up your brass. The signs clearly state that you have to rake the brass forward. They sell it to Atlanta arms and then resell it in their shop. The way around it is position your open range bag where it catches your brass. You won't get all of it, but you get a lot.

There is another range in town, but the floor is so littered with brass you have to sweep out a spot to stand - lol it's a mess. Reloader heaven I guess.

paintballdude902
May 10, 2012, 10:41 PM
my old range doesnt but he will readily tell you is you shoot .45 long or .460 he loves it when you leave your brass

Stevie-Ray
May 11, 2012, 12:11 AM
Most ranges I frequent have signs that say something to the effect of: All brass on the floor is the property of the range. You are allowed to police YOUR OWN brass. No range is going to keep MY brass, ever.

Susanna
May 11, 2012, 01:09 AM
At our local range, before I start sending lead downrange, I sweep the lane clear to well past the redline - That way anything in my lane I know is mine, and while they also have a "hit the floor" policy posted, they have never stopped me from policing my own brass. A lot of cops shoot issue practice ammo there and abandon their brass, so it's not that big a deal for them.

I did shoot at one who were posterior orfices about it... once. They were pretty overtly nasty about it, and I made a point of stepping on as much shiny stuff as I could before kicking it forward (call it my safety attitude, as I didn't want myself or anyone else slipping on the round stuff on the ground!)... as I was shooting a lot of 22 there it kinda sorta didn't matter, but they had a lot of other stuff there that was good for the smelter only. No rule about not stepping on brass left on the floor...;)

coalman
May 11, 2012, 03:02 AM
That's dumb. But, it's capiltalism at it's finest. Time to move on IMO.

coloradokevin
May 11, 2012, 06:06 AM
I've heard of ranges like this before. I won't go to places that enforce any such policy. If they don't want me taking brass someone else left, that's fine. But, they don't own my property just because I dropped it on the floor.

I do accept and understand the more common rule by which ranges say that brass in front of the firing line is off-limits. Imagine the safety issues that could be created by people going down range at a public indoor range in an attempt to grab their brass! If I can reach it without going forward of the line, it goes with me.

Lex Luthier
May 11, 2012, 08:52 AM
@Dubya: I never felt right shooting at Metro. It was too expensive and there were never too many people there. That could be a good thing, but I had to wonder why it wasn't packed if it wasn't supposed to be so attractive. Since I've gotten to know the main guys at Bill's, my shooting experiences there have been positive. I prefer the Pine City location. I will never buy ammo from them however. You can buy range tokens in bulk and save a nice chunk of change over the course of the year. Good luck.

cemjr
May 11, 2012, 12:34 PM
The only indoor range in my town is just 2 miles from my house. It used to be owned by a guy I knew. When he owned it you could collect "your own" brass. The range has sence changed ownership. Some time ago, one of my shooting buddies and I stop in to shoot for an hour or so, after signing the waivers and what not, we're getting ready begin and notice a sign on the door going to the lanes "all brass is the property of the range". My friend says to me "I'm not shooting if a can't keep my brass", I ask the guy behind the counter, "what's up with new rule" , he says "if the brass hits the floor it's ours, if you can catch it before then it's yours". Needless to say we both walked out and have not returned.

RainDodger
May 11, 2012, 01:52 PM
I would not shoot at a range that even has that attitude... I would drive out of my way to avoid jerks like that.

ol' scratch
May 11, 2012, 03:09 PM
Find another range. What happens if a magazine or a firearm case is set on the floor? Does that belong to him too? What a crook.

Owen Sparks
May 11, 2012, 03:47 PM
Bottom line:
The range can make any rules they want concerning brass but they have to inform you what the rule is before you pay in order for the rule to be legally binding.

When in doubt ask first.

thunderranch.45
May 12, 2012, 06:20 PM
I was informed of such a range policy by a RO after my first string of fire when i went to pick up my brass. The policy was apparently verbal because there was not one posted sign anywhere. After explaining to him that i reloaded all my own ammo and was only interested in retrieving my brand new starline .45 brass. He reluctantly told me he guessed i could pick it up,but only my brass and stay away from the mountain of brass he had swept against the wall or the owner would get mad as they sell all the brass to someone. I told him that was fine and it was until i began to shoot again and he became very interested in my marksmanship skills. This RO was like a vulture with a broom as soon as i began to shoot. Bottom line,first visit to this gunshop/range,short visit, last visit.

Matfey
May 12, 2012, 08:00 PM
So the owner of Metro is seeing how much damage he did to himself by not allowing you to pick up your own shells and is now doing damage control? I wouldn't go there again if I were you OP. You said you were the first person there that day, of course you were picking up your own shells.

dubya450
May 13, 2012, 01:51 AM
Well there was one other older guy there for about 20 min but he was shooting a 41 magnum (I asked him because it was LOUD) and when he emptied his cylinder he put the empties in his gun case. So yeah, the only brass on the floor was mine and my buddies. I'm actually going to the range tomorrow and ill speak with the owner if he's in and let u guys know how it goes.

RevDerb
May 13, 2012, 03:59 PM
It would be my last trip to that range.:fire:

Warp
May 13, 2012, 11:57 PM
Count in the group that says it is fine provided that you are explicitly told of the policy up front. Seems like it would reduce business, but whatever, they are free to make that decision. If, however, there was no way to know until during/after shooting...it's my brass, I'm taking it and not coming back.

My range has signs up claiming that removing brass is strictly forbidden/violators will be punished to the extent of the law, or something. I've always taken that to mean the brass of others/the buckets of brass that get swept up and stick around...but not your own brass. I regularly pick up my own brass for most calibers these days. Wheelguns are the easiest...rarely does it hit the deck.

mustang69
May 15, 2012, 07:16 AM
I agree with Jerry...Bury the clown in steel!!!!

seeker_two
May 15, 2012, 07:36 AM
Doesn't Golden Bear ammo use brass-plated steel?...... ;)

HOOfan_1
May 15, 2012, 10:31 AM
I would take my brass anyway and then tell them I am never coming back. If they want to take issue with that I would tell them to call the police....
I paid for the ammo, that means the brass is mine. Presumably I am paying for the range as well.

Obviously if I was made aware of the policy beforehand I would never have paid money to go to the range or stepped onto the firing line.

At my range, the owner encourages those who do not want their brass to leave it on the range so others who do reload can pick it up (free of course).

191145fan
May 15, 2012, 11:49 PM
Just because it is private property doesn't give them the right to take something that is yours.

Is it legal for Wal-Mart to post a sign that says, "If you drop your wallet in our store it automatically becomes ours." Sorry, but just because it is private property and you post a sign does not negate property rights.

If it was or is legally yours and you drop it, you can pick it up. It is still yours.

DMH
May 16, 2012, 12:13 AM
dubya450, Did you get to talk to the owner of Metro on the 13th? If so did the situation get taken care of. I am under the impression we can pick up our own brass, but can not clean up and take everyone's brass laying around. Would like to hear an update.

DMH

Owen Sparks
May 16, 2012, 01:06 AM
The only way this rule is legally binding is that you knowingly agree to it as a condition of using the range. They can't just spring it on you as a surprise after you have paid to shoot.

dubya450
May 16, 2012, 03:57 AM
I decided I won't be going back there. I'm starting to get to know the guys and gal work at the other nearby range (Bills) and they treat customers right, cheaper and its a far nicer shooting range. They also have a indoor rifle range which the other one doesn't. I picked up a token bag today, its 10 range tokens for $150. Each token you get unlimited time on either a pistol or rifle range abd you can KEEP YOUR OWN BRASS!!! I like it so much there I bought a new Kimber Custom Crimson Carry II from them today and I'm going back tomorrow to order a Kimber Solo CDP for when kimber starts shipping them. Anyone in MN looking for a top notch gun store/range check out Bills. Guys and gal that work there are plenty friendly and knowledgeable.

Cory

blarby
May 16, 2012, 10:47 AM
Good to know :) Enjoy your new piece. Sadly, sometimes once burned, scorched forever. Business owners would do well to take note..........

22-rimfire
May 16, 2012, 11:24 AM
I generally do not want anyone else's brass since I have no way to know how many times it has been reloaded. New brass, I'd pick up if I had the opportunity. In terms of the OP's experience, I would simply not shoot there and I might well have done something like him with the steel cased ammo.

stchman
May 17, 2012, 04:36 PM
Interesting, I'd tell him I'm taking my brass and I will never come back to his place of business. What's he going to do? Nothing?

I'm assuming this is a pay range. Go take your business elsewhere.

DcHoll
May 19, 2012, 02:41 PM
I have never encountered ay ranges I have went to in the past. My advise is take your brass, and find a new range to shoot at. another thing is this posted anywhere at this range that spent brass is the ranges property? or when you sign in, the paperwork state that spent brass is thier property. If not they are stealing in MHO, Id just find another range to go to and check all the ranges policies espically in the fine print.
Hope this helps,,,,Doc

Owen Sparks
May 19, 2012, 05:35 PM
As I understand it, according to the law if someone discards something on purpose and leaves it on your property it becomes yours. In other words the range has a right to claim brass that people have left behind. They do NOT have a right to claim YOUR brass unless you agree to it as part of the cost of using the range. I can see how the range owners don't want some brass hog carrying off a days worth of spent brass that other people left but they have to tell you in advance if they want to keep yours.

Certaindeaf
May 19, 2012, 07:44 PM
Geez, so if you park your car in their parking lot it becomes theirs? Pretty much the same thing.. foolish.

44-henry
May 19, 2012, 09:17 PM
Our range only charges $55.00 per year, no range fees, and you are free to collect your brass and any other that litters the range anytime you see fit. I guess living in the middle of nowhere has its advantages.

45_auto
May 20, 2012, 08:15 AM
Geez, so if you park your car in their parking lot it becomes theirs? Pretty much the same thing.. foolish.

You obviously don't understand the meaning of "discard" if you think that they're the same thing.

But you are correct in your assumption that if you discard your property on property that belongs to someone else, then they assume control and ownership of it. That's why there are procedures to get titles on abandoned vehicles.

Miriam-Webster has a free online dictionary here that will help your reading comprehension:

http://www.merriam-webster.com/

highlander 5
May 20, 2012, 08:41 AM
Easy solution shoot a revolver no flying brass and no headaches.

Certaindeaf
May 20, 2012, 11:18 AM
You obviously don't understand the meaning of "discard" if you think that they're the same thing.

But you are correct in your assumption that if you discard your property on property that belongs to someone else, then they assume control and ownership of it. That's why there are procedures to get titles on abandoned vehicles.

Miriam-Webster has a free online dictionary here that will help your reading comprehension:

http://www.merriam-webster.com/
Who said anything about "discarding"? The temporarily leaving of one's property is the thing at issue/similar. It's quite obvious to me you don't understand the concept of conceptualization.. look it up why don't you.

whtsmoke
May 20, 2012, 12:48 PM
The indoor range I go to here in town has a big sign on the wall that says "Please Help Keep Range Clean Sweep Up Your Brass Before Leaving", and do I ever sweep it up I find all kinds of good brass people either dont do it or dont see it. They do have a couple of buckets there that you can dump your brass in if you dont want it and one for dud rounds guess which one has more in it.

FIVETWOSEVEN
May 20, 2012, 02:52 PM
You obviously don't understand the meaning of "discard" if you think that they're the same thing.

Who said that brass that lands on the floor is discarded? if I drop my gun on the floor, is that discarded?

Warp
May 20, 2012, 03:55 PM
I do not believe that I am discarding my brass because it leaves my pistol (or rifle) and hits the deck before I get a chance to pick it back up.

we are not amused
May 20, 2012, 08:49 PM
Best advice, just find another range! Personally, I like the open pasture I own, or the meadow behind my house, I can quite literally step out my back door and shoot.:evil:

Still the tall grass does make finding all or even most of my spent brass a challenge.:(

45_auto
May 20, 2012, 09:51 PM
Maybe if you're lucky, you could find a range that charges you a fee for using the range, keeps your brass, then charges you a hazmat disposal fee if you don't take your lead out with you.

gr8buckhntr
November 5, 2012, 12:48 AM
Dubya450 - i'm from the same area and usually shoot at Bills also. I agree about their helpfullness. Which range gave you the headache? I also need to avoid them since I am a reloader too.

Ignition Override
November 5, 2012, 12:56 AM
Even though many new members might have seen the Martinet rule, it says a good bit about the character of the range owner or managers.

Why allow such people to profit even a small bit from something that doesn't belong to them?

RinkRat
November 5, 2012, 01:43 AM
Meh.................

As posted already just shoot somewhere else if you want to take your empties home.

A couple friends belong to a private indoor/outdoor range and they have a sign that if it hits the floor it's theirs. So I only went once. They wanted me to join too but I said no thanks, I keep my brass and pass it on to a guy down the block who reloads and trades me 3/1 reloads for my empties!! He also reloads for me if I buy the supplies and a jug ah turkey too....he's a nice guy to live by!!!

Reloadron
November 5, 2012, 05:59 AM
Where I shoot indoors the rules of the range are clearly posted:

Regulations:

Range Regulations:

1. We reserve the right to deny use of the range to anyone appearing to be impaired by Drugs, Alcohol or otherwise.

2. Anyone under the age of 21 must be accompanied by someone 21 or older.

3. No One is permitted down range at any time for any reason.

4.No smoking, food, drink or chewing gum on range.

5. No more than 2 shooters are permitted in a stall at one time.

6. You must shoot only at your own target, No cross stall shooting
permitted.

7. No shooting at carriers, side walls or items on range floor.

8. Small targets must be on cardboard target head level or below.

9. Shooter may only fire one gun at a time.

10. Do not throw live or defective ammo down range. Please turn it in at the counter for disposal.

11.PLEASE PLACE ALL TRASH IN TRASH CANS PROVIDED.

Safety Regulations:
1. Hearing & eye protection must be worn at all times while on the range.

2. Keep muzzle pointed down range at all times.

3. When taking out or putting away firearms, keep muzzle pointed in safe direction.

4. Keep you finger off the trigger until you are ready to shoot.

5. Handle all firearms like they are loaded at all times. (Every gun is “Always” loaded.)

6. Use only the correct ammunition for your gun.

7. Be courteous and mindful of your fellow shooters’ safety.

Pistol, Rifle and Shotgun Regulations:
1.We reserve the right to inspect all cases & ammo.

2.All rifle ammo will be inspected. (Soft point or lead round nose only. No steel core, armor piercing or full metal jackets.)

3. All rifle targets must be shot at 25 yards. (Full length of range.)

4.All rifles and full stock shotguns must be shot from shoulder or bench rested.

5. High power rifles may be shot with soft point or hollow point ammo and 1 round in magazine at a time. Target must be back the full 75 feet.

6. No full auto high power rifle.

7. No steel shot or solid copper slugs.

8. No rapid fire with pistol grip shotguns.

9. Pistol grip shotguns – buck shot or personal defense rounds only!

10. No picking up brass except for your own.

When range rules at any range don't suit me I have the option of taking my business elsewhere, it's the American Way. :)

Ron

Warp
November 5, 2012, 02:38 PM
Dang. That is a huge lsit of rules.

I wonder what % of shooters read them all?

I'm curious, though. What constitutes a "high power rifle"?

TrueTexan
November 5, 2012, 04:03 PM
I'm lucky, the outdoor public range I shoot at charges one time daily fee shoot as long as you want, take your brass and any other that you pick up. The other day the RO gave me 50 rounds of 357 brass he swept up after someone else had be shooting. He said they sell the brass to recyclers.

Reloadron
November 5, 2012, 06:52 PM
Dang. That is a huge lsit of rules.

I wonder what % of shooters read them all?

I'm curious, though. What constitutes a "high power rifle"?
Yeah, it's a long list but it is posted in several locations at the range. The shooters have a responsibility to read and understand. Also, new members who like me use a yearly membership have the full range rules read to them rule by rule and explained to them before they cough up money for membership.

As to "High Power" they take that to mean any rifle cartridge that is center fire. So pretty much any cartridge other than .22 caliber rimfire cartridges. THR had a thread about that subject (http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/index.php/t-423656.html) and the thinking was about the same.

Considering the range is only 75 feet (25 yards) maximum I seldom shoot rifle there. :)

Anyway, rules are rules and each range can set their own rules. So I figure if the rules don't suit me I have the option of seeking out another range to shoot at.

On a humorous note:

High power rifles may be shot with soft point or hollow point ammo and 1 round in magazine at a time. Target must be back the full 75 feet.

My brother dragged an AR up to test in .223. WE had Winchester FMJ ammunition which has a lead core. They refused to let us shoot the FMJ so we bought some Wolf crap that was "hollow point" and the price was fine. The humor was in that the Russian hollow points have a steel billet in the core. So what would you want hitting your expensive backstop? :)

Oh well, their range and their rules.

Ron

Warp
November 5, 2012, 07:00 PM
I suppose I am lucky that I can shoot 5.56 and .30-06 at my local indoor range. Even XM855 is okay.

I would not have guessed that high power rifle was any centerfire. I'd just say no full auto centerfire rifle. Would seem more clear. But that's their call

Reloadron
November 5, 2012, 07:10 PM
I suppose I am lucky that I can shoot 5.56 and .30-06 at my local indoor range. Even XM855 is okay.

I would not have guessed that high power rifle was any centerfire. I'd just say no full auto centerfire rifle. Would seem more clear. But that's their call
You can shoot 30-06 all day long and any rifle cartridge, The only limitations are placed on the bullet type.

All summer I enjoy outdoor shooting but the NE Ohio winters can get a little chilly. :) I use most of the winter loading but I do get out to the outdoor range I shoot at on a few nice days during winter. I really need to be retired and move to a warmer more shooter friendly climate. Winters up here suck! :)

Ron

Warp
November 5, 2012, 07:18 PM
You can shoot 30-06 all day long and any rifle cartridge, The only limitations are placed on the bullet type.

All summer I enjoy outdoor shooting but the NE Ohio winters can get a little chilly. :) I use most of the winter loading but I do get out to the outdoor range I shoot at on a few nice days during winter. I really need to be retired and move to a warmer more shooter friendly climate. Winters up here suck! :)

Ron

I'm from Northern Indiana. I am well aware of those winters, unfortunately.

Deltaboy
November 5, 2012, 09:22 PM
Just left the range I've been going to for a few years and when i finished shooting I was picking up my brass until the owner came in and said once the brass hits the floor I can't take it! My own ammo! Have you guys ever heard of such a thing?
I would never darken the door of that place again.

maskedman504
November 5, 2012, 10:37 PM
My Uncle is the RO where I shoot; I collect my .45 auto and .357 mag cause he reloads them; as the RO he gets his pick of the leavings also :neener: .

But they don't force anyone to leave their brass...

Ehtereon11B
November 5, 2012, 11:16 PM
The range I USED to go to had a giant sign that says "if it hits the floor, it belongs to the range." They reload it and sell it since you have to use *their* ammo and can't bring your own. One of the many reasons why I don't go there anymore.

rduchateau2954
November 6, 2012, 12:03 AM
If it's possible, rename this thread with the name of the business so that this thread shows up when somebody googles the range.

Warp
November 6, 2012, 12:17 AM
If it's possible, rename this thread with the name of the business so that this thread shows up when somebody googles the range.

I agree, that could be very helpful to some people.

Sheepdog1968
November 6, 2012, 02:50 PM
I understand part of the ranges revenue stream is used brass. However, you should be able to take your own brass but not others. I think the range is being a bit heavy handed. However, I am sure some idiot agreed to pick up only their own brass but took all so now the range is just less flexible.

Kind of related, if I am in a training class, I will not pick up any live rounds that I dropped on the ground. Period. I've seen more than once where someone has dropped one caliber and accidentially picked up anothers bullet such as dropping a 40 cal and then picking up a 9 mm.

Certaindeaf
November 6, 2012, 04:07 PM
"Yelp" is a good way of spreading the word on just about anything.

ozo
November 6, 2012, 04:35 PM
I like the range we shoot at.
If they had that policy, I would not shoot there.
I would also leave with MY brass if the policy
was not clear before the fact.
This is one good reason to shoot revolvers.

strange246
November 6, 2012, 07:26 PM
I used to live near a range like that, they told me I couldnt pick up my brass the first time I walked in, the 2nd (and last time) I went in, I shot Blazer aluminum, swept up my empties and dumped them in their brass bin. Thats a ridiculous way to do business...

Single Action Six
November 8, 2012, 08:10 PM
I personally know of a situation where a indoor range collected everyone's brass... and then changed their minds to "clean up your own brass" after some unfortunate happenings transpired. :D

A shooter (and a couple of his buddies) decided to collect their empty cases one day after shooting, but were told by the indoor range person that they couldn't because of the ranges "if it hits the floor, it's ours" policy. :barf:

Shortly thereafter the indoor range started to mysteriously find (sometimes to the tune of a hundred or so) empty, but primed handgun and rifle brass of numerous calibers scattered throughout the range. :what:

Some days the above empty, but "primed brass" appeared, while other days it didn't. There wasn't any particular day, or time of day, that this brass mysteriously showed up. :uhoh: After several occurrences of this nature, the range was finding itself having to spend some time (when the employees could be doing more constructive things) inspecting :scrutiny: the empty brass they collected at the end of the night, to insure that the questionable ones were eliminated.

Overnight it seemed like the the range policy of "if it hits the floor, it's ours" turned into "clean up your own brass because at closing time anything left on the floor is ours"!

It's amazing how a policy can be changed once management puts their mind to it. ;)

That's My Story and I'm Sticking To It..!! :)

Single Action Six

thump_rrr
November 9, 2012, 04:31 AM
I'm a member at 3 different ranges.

Range #1 is an indoor range in the city. It has 25M pistol bays and 50M rifle bays.
We are allowed to pick up our own brass and then some even though they sell whatever brass is left behind to recyclers.
The club also sells guns, reloading equipment, and reloading components so it is in their best interest to allow people to collect more brass than they shoot.

Range #2 is an outdoor range that allows you to pick up your own brass or whatever is on the ground but doesn't want you digging through the brass barrels since it pays for some of the upgrades to the club which is understandable since membership is 1/3 the cost of the indoor range yet there is a closed and heated section for pistol shooting during the winter months.

Range # 3 only costs $30 per year to join and has a combination lock on the gate.
Clean up all of your brass and lock the gate behind yourself when you leave.

All 3 of these places suit me fine.

P5 Guy
November 9, 2012, 04:41 PM
HITS THE FLOOR IT IS OURS
I'd only be shooting 22LR at that place. Most of the time I'll take my rimfire stuff home and send it along with the "worn out" brass, when I finally have a few pounds to scrap.
I wonder how they'd like the plated steel S&B or aluminum empties?

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