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TheLastBoyScout
February 18, 2004, 10:38 AM
I figured here might be as good a place as any to start asking for ideas (my school's guidance program has a set series of tests I need to take and won't start giving suggestions for a few months; my dad wants some school names now)

Here are a few of my requirements (btw, USNA is my first choice)

1. NROTC- This is an absolute requirement.

2. Ability to shoot- It would be highly preferable if I didn't have to limit my shooting to when I go home.

3. Larger schools would be preferable.

4. Location east of the Mississippi would be preferable.

I have no solid iea of a major, but it would probably be in the humanities as opposed to sciences.

PS: Has anyone here gone to any of the big military schools like VMI or the Citadel? What is it like at those schools?

Thanks for your help.

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El Tejon
February 18, 2004, 10:42 AM
Purdue University?

Soap
February 18, 2004, 10:47 AM
Purdue:

1- Strong NROTC program.
2- You can actually shoot on campus. The PU Rifle and Pistol club holds meetings to shoot .22 cal a few times per week. I would also suggest joining a private range like Wildcat Valley.
3- 38,847 enrolled just at the West Lafayette campus for fall '03
4- And we're east of the Mississippi

Russ
February 18, 2004, 10:51 AM
Alot of it depends on your SAT or ACT scores (depending on where you live) and your HS GPA. If you want a Military Academy, I think you need a Congressman or some other influential person to push you over in most cases.

Othewise, it depends on what you can afford and are willing to borrow.

There are a million better places to look than this site for that information. Start by contacting the schools you would like to go to. All of them have websites nowl. If they don't, they are probably not worth considering.

Good luck. I wanted to go to Cal Tech. Too bad my SAT's weren't up to their standards not to mention my HS GPA. Not to mention my parents and myself could not afford it.

Preparation makes opportunity happen. Too many people forget this.

Money talks. If you can raise a big donation to the school then you may have a much better chance.

hillbilly
February 18, 2004, 10:55 AM
University of Arkansas is not east of the Mississippi.

However, you can get a good humanities education there. They have ROTC and an ROTC rifle team that shoots competitively agaisnt other schools.

I know the the rifle coach, Norm Walker, and was the civilian shooter on the team once.

hillbilly

cratz2
February 18, 2004, 11:39 AM
El Tejon wrote: Purdue University?Daniel Flory wrote: Purdue:
I'll third that answer... :D

TheLastBoyScout
February 18, 2004, 11:41 AM
Russ mentioned academic scores so here they are:

SAT scores are not a problem. 800 verbal, 750 math.

GPA is pretty good. 3.6 with a heavy load of honors/AP classes.

Extracurriculars are decent. Theatre, equestrian sports, and Eagle scout.

Sports are weak, but thats being remedied. I'm on JV Crew this year and should be on varsity by the fall.

The politics of getting an appointment to Navy will not be a problem. My mom is in that line of work, and has plentiful connections (I'm not entirely comfortable with using her influence, but she says everyone does it).

cratz2
February 18, 2004, 11:47 AM
Well, those scores should be good enough for just about anywhere! :p

As far as using your mom's connections... why would you hesitate? That's the way it works. That's exactly the way it works!

Ala Dan
February 18, 2004, 11:50 AM
"Go For The Gusto" at



THE UNIVERSITY OF TENNESSEE




on the Knoxville campus


Best Wishes,
Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member

Norton
February 18, 2004, 11:54 AM
USNA...

Free education
Great academics
Great job security upon graduation
Collegiate Pistol Team Champions
Cool ships and planes....

What more could you want?:D

Soap
February 18, 2004, 12:08 PM
That is a fantastic SAT score. You could get into Purdue for probably any program that you should want. We have a good crew program if you can stand rowing down the stanky Tippecanoe River! :D

Also, don't be afraid to use connections, as you mature, you will realize they are vital to any dealings a person might have. Contacts can help you personally or professionally; they are very powerful. I wanted to go to USNA but they DQ'ed me because I had childhood asthma. If I were in your position, I would go to USNA.

Brian Dale
February 18, 2004, 12:10 PM
On using your mother's assistance in getting the attention of a member of Congress, " she says everyone does it" because they're supposed to. In other words, your record will be evaluated (looks solid to me; keep up the good work), and your Congressional representative is supposed to push for you. Gaining appointments to the Service academies for their constituents is a part of their job, and an important one. Be worthy of their efforts; I hope you make it!

pbr46
February 18, 2004, 12:14 PM
West Point or the Naval Academy. Failing that, how about U of Alabama?!

Glacius_the_Invincible
February 18, 2004, 12:31 PM
I dunno anything about the Naval Academy, but it sounds more like what you're looking for.

If not, then I will put in another vote for Purdue University in Indiana. I go to Ball State in Indiana and every time I visit their campus, read about their rifle team, or work out with their martial arts club (only a couple times) I feel like I should have gone there instead. Purdue is a great school with a lot to offer. I believe the NROTC even has a separate shooting team there. They have 3 rifle teams, I think. Not including the trap and skeet club/team. (Not to say that BSU is a bad place, it's a nice school. But not as much to offer a student active in the shooting sports or interested in ROTC type stuff)

dischord
February 18, 2004, 12:31 PM
Hampden-Sydney College (Virginia) www.hsc.edu

Not a victim of the PC cancer.

Gun friendly: http://www.hsc.edu/studentlife/clubs/rifle.html

ROTC http://www.hsc.edu/studentlife/hscrotc.html

With your SAT, you certainly might qualify for an Honors Scholarship http://www.hsc.edu/academics/honors/scholarships/

Still emphasizes a full core curriculum education. Yeah, you can't hide out in your department -- about half of your classes will be outside your major. You get a full education, not just a job skill http://www.hsc.edu/academics/

Honor is of utmost importance. People get thrown out for telling lies, cheating or stealing. http://www.hsc.edu/honorcode/

Founded in 1776. One of the founders was Patrick Henry :cool: The Sydney part = Algernon Sydney (sometimes spelled Sidney). You might want to check out his essays on liberty. http://www.hsc.edu/hschistory/

Interesting tidbid: Matt Eversman (the main character in Blackhawk Down) is an alumnus. He was in my class (1988), though he left before graduating to join the army (the college later awared him an honorary degree). Good guy (though I haven't seen/spoken to him since we were at HSC together 17 or 18 years ago).

Ranked in the top 15 colleges by Insight Magazine http://www.insightmag.com/news/2003/09/30/National/Insights.Top.Colleges-464383.shtml

Also: http://www.collegesofdistinction.com/collegetemplates/fastfacts.asp?cid=110More Distinctions

Hampden-Sydney has been featured in the following publications:

The Princeton Review's "The Best 331 Colleges"

U.S. News and World Report's "America's Best Colleges"

The Templeton Foundation's Guide "Colleges that Encourage Character Development,” and "The Templeton Honor Rolls For Education in a Free Society"

Erlene B. Wilson's "The 100 Best Colleges for African-American Students"

Loren Pope's "Looking Beyond the Ivy League"

William J. Bennett's "Choosing the Right College: The Whole Truth About America's Top Schools"

William F. Buckley, Jr.'s "America's 50 Top Liberal Arts Schools"

cookhj
February 18, 2004, 12:47 PM
if you want to go into the military, and you really want a challenging college experience, go to the Virginia Military Institute. VMI has ROTC for all 4 branches and has been ranked many times by US News and many others. if you're interested, go to www.vmi.edu and check it out, or you can PM me with any questions you might have. the alumni connections are some of the strongest of any college out there and the VMI name is well known and respected out in the real world (and in the military). in fact, the Colonel that was in charge of capturing Saddam Hussein was a VMI alumni.

another good school to look at as well is the Citadel in charleston, sc. they're similar to VMI in many respects. we're both state supported military colleges and we both have excellent academic programs. the one main thing that the Citadel has that VMI doesn't is a graduate program. if you want to check them out go to www.citadel.edu and look around. there's a member on here Citadel99 that might be able to answer a few questions for you about them.

with any school you look at, make sure you go spend some time there at the school before you go. both VMI and Citadel have prospective cadet weekends where you live in the barracks with the cadets and eat in the chow hall, etc. it's a good way to kinda "feel" the place out a little bit. one word of caution about these two is make sure you WANT to go there and make sure you have the DRIVE to stay. they are not easy schools by any stretch of the imagination.

take care and good luck!

Brian Williams
February 18, 2004, 01:20 PM
I have no solid iea of a major, but it would probably be in the humanities as opposed to sciences.
First; Get a solid idea for a Major.
Second; Get a Solid Major.

If you have no idea what you want to study take 1 semester at a local state school and take 5 classes, 1 english, 1 history/social science, 1 hard science, 1 humanities. With that then make up your mind what you want to do, the find that great big school and spend all your money.

Do not waste your time and money if you have no idea what you want to study

shfttrsh
February 18, 2004, 01:27 PM
As a Citadel grad(79) I will second what has been said about the USNA and The Citadel and VMI. The Citadel has all the ROTCs and both a Rifle and Pistol team We also have aCrew team if I remember correctly. There is a current Citadel cadet on this forum(confed sailor)You might PM for more info that is up-to-date.

falconer
February 18, 2004, 02:06 PM
The Ohio State University.

1. Check
2. Check. Varsity Rifle and Pistol Teams, as well as clubs and shooting classes for credit
3. Check
4. Check
5. We consistantly beat up on the Purdue Pistol Club. You wouldn't want to go to school with people like Flory anyway. He's a dork of the highest order.

TheLastBoyScout
February 18, 2004, 02:13 PM
Thanks for all the advice, everybody.

Just a quick clarification:

If I get in to USNA, I will go there.
I'm looking for some second choices

Soap
February 18, 2004, 02:14 PM
Unfortunately you can't get a carry license in Ohio. Plus, OSU is in the ghetto of Columbus. And their girls aren't as attractive, but if you have low standards like falconer, you're good to go :D

jeepcj258
February 18, 2004, 02:32 PM
Ole Miss, I think that the university of Mississippi meets all of those requirements, and it is not hard to get a carry permit once you have established residency.

And The WOMEN, Oh my God, there is no better place on earth for pretty girls than Oxford MS.

Just a thought, good luck were ever you decide. You will probably enjoy any large school once you get there and get into it.

God BLess

OEF_VET
February 18, 2004, 03:00 PM
Have you considered Vanderbilt University, here in Nashville, TN? It has an NROTC program and the school is very well thoguht of in the circles that really matter. Also, the gun laws here in TN are very good.

As for size, there are about 20,000 students in the school IIRC, and it would seem that a LARGE number of them are very attractive members of the female gender. Nashville is also a pretty sizable city, and within driving distance of quite a few of the major eastern cities (Atlanta, Chicago, St. Louis, New Orleans, etc.).

Whatever you decide, good luck.

If you do decide on Vandy, you're hereby cordially invited to join the TN Mafia and come with us for our frequent days-at-the-range (or gunshow) and social atherings. We have quite a number of High Roaders here in Music City (including none other than Oleg Volk himself).

Frank

Waitone
February 18, 2004, 04:02 PM
Consider your career objectives before deciding.

Is the Navy or other branch a career? Or are you interested in 6 and out?

What you want to do when you grow up and out should help you decide.

Factoid--If you want to get into politics in SC, consider that more than 1/2 of the state legislature graduated the Citadel.

shfttrsh
February 19, 2004, 09:17 AM
"Over the SC legislature Are Citadel grads." Please don't hold that against those of us that work for a living.;)

marklbucla
February 19, 2004, 01:48 PM
No matter what schools are on your list...

I just want to strongly, strongly suggest that you go visit your top choices and spend a day in the life of a student in school x. Take the time to sit in on a couple of classes and even talk to some random students sitting in coffee shops. Also, see how friendly the professors are in the departments you're considering. There are a ton of things about each school that will not be written in any catalog or magazine.

Also, the choice to go to a top notch university isn't always the best one. Do you want to be a big fish in a small pond, or a small fish in the ocean? I don't think I've ever seen it formally written anywhere in publications, but what often happens is schools will competitively curve classes to spread people out. The difficulty of the course will be adjusted so that the average is about a B-/C+, with one standard deviation up will be an A, and one below it will be a D. "It's enough to get a degree from _____, so we want it to mean something when we put out someone with a high GPA." The exception to this rule is Stanford, where GPA inflation is supposedly running rampant. I've heard that around 2/3rds of the class graduate with honors.

One more thing is to consider what your goal as a career is. Unless you've got it in your family, you've done all the research, and you've even taken the upper division coursework, you're probably not certain about what you're going to be doing. For example, at UCLA about 90% of the people who started taking Bio or Chem classes were "pre-med". It took about a year for many of them to realize that it may not have been for them because again, the classes are competitively curved and they realized that they just didn't like the material. No matter how smart you are, if you're not one standard deviation above the average, you're not going to get the A's you need. Another example was an Accounting class I took where the cutoff for a B was a 92%! And keep in mind the level of competition, wherever you consider to go. That was just my experience at a couple of schools, but this is something you definetly ought to be double checking on.

Picking a school where you'd have options in career choices may be a good idea. Your top priority in a NROTC program or even considering an exclusive Military Academy sounds okay, but do you really know if the Navy is something you'd want to do? Have you gone through similar training and visited bases? If you were to decide that you didn't like it, what would you do at the Navy Academy?

There are a number of other things to talk about, so if you have any general questions about the transition, you definitely ought to ask. No matter how seemingly obvious something is, you really ought to check with a counselor or student at the prospect school. Knowing what I know now, I'd have done near everything differently. If I had to leave you with one thing, it's to go to a school where you can keep your options open. Obviously, the economy will make a massive impact on your chosen career and you need to be able to roll with the punches and stay on your feet.

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