On my Glock pulling back on the slide does not always release it.


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the count
May 10, 2012, 09:32 PM
Its a new Glock 34 Gen 3. Maybe 150 rounds through it so far. Sometimes when the slide is locked back and I insert a new magazine, the slight tug back does not release the slide right away. Takes 2 or 3 tugs..... what could be the cause of this. The slide release lever works every time though...

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bri
May 10, 2012, 09:59 PM
Grip tighter, push harder. :)

Sapper771
May 10, 2012, 10:42 PM
Sounds like you may have the slide lock installed incorrectly, or the large frame pin is putting pressure on the slide lock. I have done it a few times.

Try taking the slide off and flipping the slide lock up to see it there is spring tension that pushes it back down on the frame.

Steve C
May 10, 2012, 10:56 PM
The slide stop is pushed upward by the magazine follower after the last round is fired, ejected or with empty magazine to engage the stop notch in the slide.

The slide stop is spring loaded to make it drop from engagement in the slide notch when the slide is retracted a bit and the magazine is missing or loaded. The stop notch in the slide has a slight backward cut to it to help retain the slide stop.

Only a few things will prevent the slide stop from releasing and they are:

1. The slide must be retracted enough to allow the stop to free itself.
2. An empty magazine is left in the gun and the follower is preventing release.
3. The spring on the slide release has broken or been removed preventing release.
4. The shooters thumb is preventing the slide stop from releasing.

Sheepdog1968
May 10, 2012, 11:42 PM
Did you put a recoil buffer of some sort in it? A buddy of mine did on a 1911 and had this problem.

bbuddtec
May 11, 2012, 12:48 AM
First thing I would check is wether I put the slide lock spring in place as I replaced the smaller frame pin.

the count
May 11, 2012, 10:05 AM
Grip tighter, push harder.

Thanks for all the tips. In the end bri was right. My 34 has an extended slide release and the slide needs to be sharply pulled back for the slide spring to retract right.

mavracer
May 11, 2012, 11:14 AM
Sometimes when the slide is locked back and I insert a new magazine, the slight tug back does not release the slide right away. Takes 2 or 3 tugs..... what could be the cause of this.
Um not using the slide release

bri
May 11, 2012, 01:31 PM
Um not using the slide release

I always thought the primary function of the lever was a slide stop, not release?

9mmepiphany
May 11, 2012, 04:25 PM
I always thought the primary function of the lever was a slide stop, not release?
It is and that is how the factory designed it on the original G17...It is a Slide Stop, Part #27 below

http://www.brownells.com/userdocs/schematics/Glock-model17-39.gif

It is hard enough getting folks to refer to parts and functions by the correct names, can we at least use the names the manufacturers gave them, rather than making up our own...to make communication clearer

mavracer
May 11, 2012, 05:48 PM
It is and that is how the factory designed it on the original G17...It is a Slide Stop, Part #27 below
sorry just used the term the OP used. It also says you can use the slide stop to release slide. prolly why they put the lever on the outside instead of a internal part:rolleyes:

Skribs
May 11, 2012, 06:22 PM
I know the slide stop on my XD can get pretty tight if I haven't fired it in a while, but after one magazine its easy to release again.

FMF Doc
May 12, 2012, 12:08 AM
It is hard enough getting folks to refer to parts and functions by the correct names, can we at least use the names the manufacturers gave them, rather than making up our own...to make communication clearer

^^^ Agree ^^^

9mmepiphany
May 12, 2012, 03:05 AM
sorry just used the term the OP used. It also says you can use the slide stop to release slide. prolly why they put the lever on the outside instead of a internal part:rolleyes:
Actually the slide stop is placed on the outside so that the slide can be locked to the rear, without inserting an empty magazine, to show that the gun is clear during inspection. It's tactical use is to lock the slide to the rear when clearing a Type 3 stoppage

The original G17 slides were not hardened in the area where the slide contacts the slide stop as it was not intended that users would release the slide in that manner. American users experienced the slide wearing down in that area, causing the slide to not lock back on an empty magazine, due to users using the lever to release the slide

mavracer
May 13, 2012, 09:15 AM
Actually the slide stop is placed on the outside so that the slide can be locked to the rear, without inserting an empty magazine, to show that the gun is clear during inspection. It's tactical use is to lock the slide to the rear when clearing a Type 3 stoppage
Just in the mood to argue eh, prey tell why then are the serrated/checkered gripping surfaces of so many guns appear on the top side of the slide stop.
Also the OP's problem is the best arguement against training to slingshot the slide.

stevekozak
May 13, 2012, 12:17 PM
Actually the slide stop is placed on the outside so that the slide can be locked to the rear, without inserting an empty magazine, to show that the gun is clear during inspection. It's tactical use is to lock the slide to the rear when clearing a Type 3 stoppage

The original G17 slides were not hardened in the area where the slide contacts the slide stop as it was not intended that users would release the slide in that manner. American users experienced the slide wearing down in that area, causing the slide to not lock back on an empty magazine, due to users using the lever to release the slide
This is good information!! I did not know that about early Glocks! Learned something!!

hentown
May 13, 2012, 12:44 PM
Since this is my first post, I'm certainly not inclined to "just argue," particularly with a moderator. :) However, I do believe that, from the beginning, Glock slides and barrels were Tenifered, which IS the hardening treatment. I don't believe that any part of the slide was NOT Tenifered. I don't use the slide stop lever as a slide release. I do use the "four-fingers-over-the-slide" method for cycling.

9mmepiphany
May 13, 2012, 07:44 PM
Just in the mood to argue eh, prey tell why then are the serrated/checkered gripping surfaces of so many guns appear on the top side of the slide stop.
Also the OP's problem is the best arguement against training to slingshot the slide.
Not in a mood, just relating Glock history that many folks aren't familiar with. It is like the history of the 1911 originally being submitted without a thumb safety, so it couldn't have been intended to be carried in Condition One.

I don't know why they texture the top of the slide lock, I wasn't around when they started and I've never questioned it. However, I suspect it is for the same reason that many pistols have a squared/hooked triggerguard and forward slide serrations...which shouldn't be used at all.

I never teach clients/students to release their slide by slingshoting it. I teach retracting the slide by grabbing it in an overhand grip and pulling it to the rear while the frame is pushed forward. This would have addressed the OP problem...as noted in post #7

newbuckeye
May 13, 2012, 08:13 PM
I never teach clients/students to release their slide by slingshoting it. I teach retracting the slide by grabbing it in an overhand grip and pulling it to the rear while the frame is pushed forward. This would have addressed the OP problem...as noted in post #7

I bought my first g17 in 1996 as a duty weapon. We were taught in the academy NOT to use the slide lock as a release without first pulling back in the manner 9mmepiphany described above because, as he also stated, that part of the slide was prone to wear.

mavracer
May 14, 2012, 08:00 AM
I don't know why they texture the top of the slide lock, I wasn't around when they started and I've never questioned it. However, I suspect it is for the same reason that many pistols have a squared/hooked triggerguard and forward slide serrations...which shouldn't be used at all.
first you claim ignorance then try to state an opinion as fact like your all knowing. maybe if you'd read the Glock manual instead of just looking at the pictures, you wouldn't seem so confused.
After the last round has been fired, the slide remains open. Remove the empty magazine from the weapon by pushing the magazine catch (19). Insert a new magazine and then either push the slide stop lever (27) downwards (see photo), or pull the slide slightly backwards and allow it to spring forwards. The weapon is now again secured and ready to fire.

ku4hx
May 14, 2012, 09:05 AM
I own eight Glocks and I've never had this problem. I have had Glock replace an entire gun (1993 Gen2 23) and years later the frame on that same gun. I've also had them replace a couple of magazines. All at their expense totally.

Give them a call. You just might get a deal like I got.

9mmepiphany
May 14, 2012, 12:56 PM
first you claim ignorance then try to state an opinion as fact like your all knowing. maybe if you'd read the Glock manual instead of just looking at the pictures, you wouldn't seem so confused.
Perhaps you've mis-read my post. My opinion was in reference to the forward slide serrations and the squared trigger guards...which I understand the origin of.

You've use poor judgement in presuming that I haven't read the Glock manual or that I'm confused. I read it before attend training prior to our department evaluating the Glock as a duty weapon. I'm not saying that you can't use the slide stop to release the slide. What I'm saying is that I don't recommend it and that the original G17 (early 80s) wasn't designed to be used in that manner.

Please direct your posts toward points in my position that you disagree with rather than my experience or knowledge. If you have training or experience that leads you to believe differently, please feel free to share them

mavracer
May 14, 2012, 01:30 PM
You've use poor judgement in presuming that I haven't read the Glock manual or that I'm confused. I read it before attend training prior to our department evaluating the Glock as a duty weapon. I'm not saying that you can't use the slide stop to release the slide. What I'm saying is that I don't recommend it and that the original G17 (early 80s) wasn't designed to be used in that manner.
Well if you've read the glock manual which says " push the slide stop lever (27) downwards" and still contend that "the original G17 (early 80s) wasn't designed to be used in that manner."
Then very obviously there is a lack of understanding somewhere on your part.
But then again if the army asked JMB for a thumb safety be added to the 1910 model so that a soldier could safely reholster it with a round already chambered and he designs it so that the thumb safety locks the sear and slide and it will only engage while the hammer is in fact cocked and a holster is by it's very definition a means to carry. Then how the heck can you say he didn't design the 1911 to be carried cocked and locked.

9mmepiphany
May 14, 2012, 01:57 PM
We've already taken this discussion too far off track from the OP's problem...which has already been solved.

Obviously you have an immutable position, don't understand how history reveals the flaws in your arguments and would not accept them in any event.

I'll let it end here on this thread. If you'd like to continue the discussion, please continue it via PM or ask a question in a new thread

1911Tuner
June 17, 2012, 09:41 AM
Sorry to jump into a month-old thread, but I noticed this and thought I might...just for giggles.

Then very obviously there is a lack of understanding somewhere on your part.
But then again if the army asked JMB for a thumb safety be added to the 1910 model so that a soldier could safely reholster it with a round already chambered and he designs it so that the thumb safety locks the sear and slide and it will only engage while the hammer is in fact cocked and a holster is by it's very definition a means to carry. Then how the heck can you say he didn't design the 1911 to be carried cocked and locked.

"Cocked and Locked, the way JMB intended!" is a popular cry, but unfortunately...it has no basis in fact. If Browning had any intent...which is doubtful...it was to use the half-cock as a safety since that's how he designed all his other hammer guns prior to the 1911.

Browning provided several options, and left it to the US Army to decide how the pistol was to be carried. Beyond that, he probably didn't give a rotund rodent's rump. The 1911 pistol was an assignment. He gave them what they asked for. Nothing more.

"For reholstering" was meant for the mounted cavalryman in order to free up both hands when he found himself trying to hang onto a bucking, frightened horse...and it was assumed that he would then redraw the pistol and carry on with the action at hand. If offers no proof or indication that it was meant to be carried in Condition One.

Neither did Army protocol allow for continuous carry in that mode, and plainly stated that wasn't the intent of the thumb safety in early field manuals, cautioning the conscripts not to carry it in the holster in that manner.

The pistol can be carried cocked and locked...but it was neither designed nor intended specifically to be carried that way.

holdencm9
June 17, 2012, 11:32 PM
Yeah 2 glocks I have shot, the slide releases just by tapping the mag bottom softly. So it doesn't hold too securely. You seem to have the opposite problem, though.

Drail
June 17, 2012, 11:52 PM
I just love it when all of the guys who teach "slingshot" only to release the slide suddenly encounter one where that technique won't release it. It doesn't work on all guns. I was taught (back in the dark ages) to use the slide stop to release because it always will on every gun. (Yes, I know Glock doesn't recommend it because it will wear the corner off of their cheeseball part. Stop stamping parts out of unhardened sheet metal and use good steel guys)

1KPerDay
June 18, 2012, 02:12 AM
II was taught (back in the dark ages) to use the slide stop to release because it always will on every gun.
Try it on a SIG P230. ;)

9mmepiphany
June 18, 2012, 02:27 AM
...or a Walter PP/PPK or H&K P7 (Yes, the P7 has a slide stop)

GLOOB
June 18, 2012, 02:39 AM
I just love it when all of the guys who teach "slingshot" only to release the slide suddenly encounter one where that technique won't release it.
Good grief. Really? The OP's gun obviously has the slidestop installed incorrectly, and he still hasn't figured it out. I guess you make a good point of IF the slidestop spring is broken or malfunctions, you ought to know how to fix it. But the slingshot is still way more universal than the slide release. There are several guns where the slide release is internal, or the external control is placed in an odd location. Yet, all will release after a slingshot, if they're working correctly.

Stop stamping parts out of unhardened sheet metal and use good steel guys)
First off, the part is hardened. Throws some good sparks if you put it to a grinder. Second, Glocks do very well with using the slide "release," despite their official recommendation. I'd like to see a pic of a worn out or otherwise broken "unhardened sheet metal" Glock slide stop. On most guns, the slide notch rounds off before the slide stop wears out.

beatledog7
June 18, 2012, 09:59 AM
I thought this had been settled when Bri said, essentially, don't baby it.

mavracer
June 18, 2012, 10:40 AM
Sorry shouldn't be arguing about a 1911 thumb safety in a thread about Glock slide stop.

It would seam OP's question has been taken care of.

1911Tuner
June 18, 2012, 12:22 PM
Only that it was designed specifically so that it could be carried that way.

Never said that it wasn't. It was designed specifically to provide a choice.

My only point was to address the myth of "The way that Browning intended." There was no such intent. More of a: "Here's your pistol, General. You can do this, this, this, or this. You figure it out from here. I'm goin' to Belgium."

Andrew Wyatt
June 18, 2012, 12:26 PM
I'd also suggest that the OP replace the extended stop with a standard one.

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