bryco jennings 9 *sigh*


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Blade&Bullet94
May 11, 2012, 04:55 AM
so, a friend asked me take a look at her pistol, a bryco jennings 9, to clean it and see if i could find a replacement rear sight (right half is broke off). the moment i felt it in my hand i knew it was a saturday night special, but i didnt realize how bad till i looked it up. i guess my questions are, A where can i find a sight, B is there any way to improve how the gun functions, polishing parts ect, and C, is it worth it for her to keep it as a defensive gun, or is it too likely to go handgrenade on her?

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kozak6
May 11, 2012, 05:33 AM
You could probably get a rear sight from Numrich, or from Bryco's current reincarnation Jimenez Arms.

You may or may not be able to improve reliability. This place may or may not help:
http://www.bryco-jennings-jimenezarms.com/forum/

I don't think it's a good choice for a defensive gun. It probably won't explode, but reliability is where the real problem lies.

nwilliams
May 11, 2012, 05:33 AM
where can i find a sight
Probably the cheapest and easiest solution would be to buy another Bryco Jennings. Seriously it's a pain to find replacement parts for these guns and it's not worth paying to have them repaired and on top of that when you do find replacement parts they are expensive.

is there any way to improve how the gun functions
Honestly, no. These guns are what they are and there's not really anything you can do to them to make them better and or more reliable.


is it worth it for her to keep it as a defensive gun, or is it too likely to go handgrenade on her?
I doubt very much if it will explode but just as bad it might fail on her when she needs it most. If she feels that she needs a handgun for personal defense then I would try to convince her to invest in a better quality handgun because her life might depend on it someday. This doesn't mean she will need to spend a ton of money, there are plenty of decent quality handguns that can be purchased on a limited budget that are far better quality than a Jennings. Kel-Tec makes decent inexpensive handguns as does Bersa, Ruger and few others.

Good Luck!

Kiln
May 11, 2012, 06:03 AM
The Bryco/Jennings/Jimenez 9mm pistols aren't good guns. I'm a Bryco forum member and have been for quite a while, there aren't many good posts on the Jennings 9 even on those forums. As much as I love most cheap guns the Bryco 9mm is a gun that sometimes only goes a couple hundred rounds before failure.

They can be made to be reliable but small parts break randomly and slides crack frequently with this model. Their smaller caliber guns are normally fine after a break in period (.22lr and .32acp) but avoid any of the larger calibers because they are known for frame cracks and slide failures.

I would recommend to you that you help out your friend with a loaner gun if you can and tell her to buy a cheap but much more durable/reliable Hi Point C9 if she's on a budget...if she's got more to spend the there are lots of options but probably the best in the $350 range are the Ruger P series pistols.

If she refuses the above options shoot a quick post over to the BJJA forums and they will be willing to help you out. Even they will probably tell you to buy something other than the J9 though.

GCBurner
May 11, 2012, 11:48 AM
I've noticed that complete slides for these sometimes show up on eBay lately, since they've relaxed their restrictions on buying and selling gun parts.

mesinge2
May 11, 2012, 11:56 AM
There are very few guns that all you really hear are bad thinks but these are not good guns. This was cousin's Bryco 9mm that during firing the rear of the firing pin (I assume) and the turkey timer in the back popped out. My cousin sold the gun shortly after this for $40. This was the first magazine through the gun.

http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc401/mesinge2/Misc/BrokenJenningsPOSPistolJPEG.jpg

OARNGESI
May 11, 2012, 12:00 PM
this gun is still in production through jimenez arms they can get you the sight.

these guns are known to have the frame crack with extended use but i seriously doubt it will blow up unless she continues to use it after it cracks.

the biggest argument to not use it as a self defense gun is that they dont feed hollow points.

StrikeFire83
May 11, 2012, 07:04 PM
Life's too short to waste time, money, and brain cells on garbage like bryco-jennings guns. Find a good gun-buyback program, get your $50 or $100 or whatever they're giving and put it towards a worthwhile piece. Everybody wins: the gun gets destroyed, you get some $$, and nobody ends up with a piece of junk that's inadequate for pretty much everything.

jrdolall
May 11, 2012, 07:26 PM
I would not spend much, if any, money to repair the Jennings. Mine is fine for shooting FMJ. Not accurate, not pretty, not light, not good trigger, and on and on, but it generally fires. If I load up with JHP I get 2-3 FtFs per magazine. I have not shot it enough to break anything and it sits in a gun safe just like this, minus the bullets. When I go out to shoot I don't even consider taking it out but I could probably get only $40 for it on trade so it sits there.
Take it to a local pawn shop and trade it in for a HiPoint 9mm if she is really budget restrained and wants a dependable pistol. She can probably walk out with a NIB HiPoint for $100 after the trade. The HP is very dependable for a truck gun or for the bedside table but is way too heavy and bulky for most people to carry. Sounds like she needs a lot of practice if she is going to be handling a gun.

Kiln
May 11, 2012, 07:37 PM
Find a good gun-buyback program, get your $50 or $100 or whatever they're giving and put it towards a worthwhile piece. Everybody wins: the gun gets destroyed, you get some $$, and nobody ends up with a piece of junk that's inadequate for pretty much everything.
Gun owners don't win when it comes to gun buybacks.

The anti gun crowd benefits from it the most because they then use the stats from the buyback as propoganda.

StrikeFire83
May 11, 2012, 07:45 PM
Gun owners don't win when it comes to gun buybacks.

The anti gun crowd benefits from it the most because they then use the stats from the buyback as propoganda.

Meh, they can have their stats. They're the only idiots who will give me $100 for a piece of crap paperweight like a bryco-jennings and I can sleep well at night knowing that nobody's going to be depending on it to save their life.

armoredman
May 11, 2012, 08:58 PM
I;ve had several Jennings over the years. They aren't reliable firearms, and they can't be improved. I agree, get $20 trade in on a Hi-Point, if she is very low on funds, or something better, even a 4 inch police trade in 38 special would be far better.

Fremmer
May 11, 2012, 10:32 PM
Mesinge, I had a friend with one that did the exact same thing. It hit him right under his right eye.

mesinge2
May 11, 2012, 10:34 PM
Mesinge, I had a friend with one that did the exact same thing. It hit him right under his right eye.
That's a scary thought. Getting blinded by the thing.

Shadow 7D
May 12, 2012, 04:09 AM
Look for the closest police auction that sells guns,
you can buy a new gun for ~70?
might I suggest she at least get a Hipoint, it may be the fat chick, but the warranty is one of the best, and if shooting them don't do it, she can club them to death.

Or paying $100 more and getting a used Smith or similar.

Alec
May 12, 2012, 04:26 AM
Meh, they can have their stats. They're the only idiots who will give me $100 for a piece of crap paperweight like a bryco-jennings and I can sleep well at night knowing that nobody's going to be depending on it to save their life.

You do realize that money comes out of your own pocket, right? Cut it up yourself if you are concerned about someone else using it-- why justify the existence of these programs?

Kiln
May 12, 2012, 04:33 AM
You do realize that money comes out of your own pocket, right? Cut it up yourself if you are concerned about someone else using it-- why justify the existence of these programs?
Exactly. They don't pay for gun buybacks out of their own pockets. They pay for them out of yours.

Blade&Bullet94
May 12, 2012, 04:42 AM
thank you all for the help. my onyl road blocks right now are shes a little paranoid, she doesnt want any guns under "her name" which makes it hard to help her sometimes, and because im only 18 i cannot purchase handguns myself. the other thing is she got scammed out of 250$ for this damn thing, so she doesnt want to get rid of it because she knows shell never get what she got it for -.-

Shadow 7D
May 12, 2012, 05:06 AM
um google the subject and attempt to educate her
and well, um, show her that she could have bought a decent pistol for that....

BUT if she insists on not buying the gun herself, WHY????
well she got what she paid for (or *didn't* ;) )

OH and on the last part, is a hint, maybe you should run like hell, cause something is fishy, and it isn't worth somebody else's problems.

jrdolall
May 12, 2012, 12:00 PM
Run away dude, run away!

mesinge2
May 12, 2012, 12:09 PM
she doesnt want any guns under "her name" which makes it hard to help her sometimes

This statement alone would stop me from helping her acquire a working gun. Why doesn't she want it in her name?

Just some of the questions that come to mind:

Does she have a criminal record?
Is there a different reason she cannot legally own a weapon?
Is planing on using the gun to commit a crime?

ku4hx
May 12, 2012, 12:39 PM
... she doesnt want any guns under "her name" ...

And I'd be willing to bet she has similar feelings for bank accounts, auto loans, and any other activity that requires some sort of background check.

If that's not a red flag then I don't know what is.

StrikeFire83
May 12, 2012, 02:20 PM
Yeah, it's not worth it bro, run away...far away. Sounds like this is building up to "she wants me to go to a gun show and trade this gun for something better." That's taking you in to straw-purchase territory, a place where you don't want to be.

Shadow 7D
May 12, 2012, 04:17 PM
Look at her
ask yourself
is "helping" her get a gun (straw purchase)
worth whatever rewards she may give

Now, go look at some hairy mountain of man, named bubba,
and ask yourself again, is helping her get a gun worth being bubba's prison 'wife' for the next 10 years?

run
suggest that she get proper training etc. and disengage yourself.

T Bran
May 12, 2012, 04:34 PM
First spray the gun and mag down liberally with brake parts cleaner put on your gloves put the gun in a bag. Return it to her with your apologies and change your phone number. Have no further contact with this person.
Sorry but this is the best way to emerge from this with your 2A rights intact.
If something looks and smells like poo dont step in it.
Luck
T

jrdolall
May 12, 2012, 04:37 PM
Make sure you clean the gun thoroughly as you don't want her to have a mishap due to a fouled barrel or such.

If done thoroughly this will also remove your fingerprints from the $50 gun she paid $250 for and does not want her name attached to. Chances are there is a reason for her reluctance.

As has already been mentioned in earlier replies, "run Forest, run!"

KTXdm9
May 12, 2012, 07:13 PM
OP, listen to those alarm bells going off in the back of your head. Return the gun, and run like hell in the other direction.

Rail Driver
May 12, 2012, 08:14 PM
I see a lot of people assuming the woman has an ulterior motive, or is a criminal - Did you ever stop to think that maybe she's just misinformed? Think about it - gun registration is something MOST non-gun people believe exists everywhere because of the media - I know many people who don't want to buy a gun because they don't want it "in their name", even in places where there is no such thing as registration.

Seriously - I think those of you that automatically assume a person is a criminal because they believe misinformation are the ones that are paranoid- lighten up!

jrdolall
May 12, 2012, 09:29 PM
Okay, give me a good valid reason that a person does not want a gun "in their name". If they are misinformed then by all means help them get informed.

If someone asks you to buy them a gun when they should by all means be perfectly capable of buying it for themselves then, IMO, you are just looking for a way to get in trouble.

Ash
May 12, 2012, 09:35 PM
I gave an SKS to a friend who was getting into shooting. He asked where he needed to register it. I told him he didn't have to. He asked about papers. I told him there were none. He asked if it was legal for me to give it to him. I told him it was (and, of course, it was). So many people not "in the know" with only Law & Order or CSI as their source of information believe registration exists.

He likes his SKS now, and has learned to shoot it well.

As for not having a gun in your name, why not? I have numerous guns in my name, I'm not a criminal, but there are times I wished I had just one that was "off the papers" just because frankly the government has no business knowing what I have, or at least potentially knowing what I have. Even so, I shrug every time I fill out the white "yellow form" and go on my way.

As a former Bryco owner (fortunately for me, it was with a fixed, molded rear sight (the front and rear sights were molded as part of the slide, no windage, no elevation, not adjustment, period), I can say that they are not good pistols. Better than Lorcin, but that's like saying that a Yugo was better than a Trabant. Mine was crap. I sold it for $50 at a gun show and bought a Llama IX-c. It wasn't accurate, but it was at least solid and reliable (you know how bad a Bryco is when it makes a Llama look good). That started me on my journey and now I know far better.

Rail Driver
May 12, 2012, 09:35 PM
Okay, give me a good valid reason that a person does not want a gun "in their name". If they are misinformed then by all means help them get informed.

If someone asks you to buy them a gun when they should by all means be perfectly capable of buying it for themselves then, IMO, you are just looking for a way to get in trouble.

First: If registration were suddenly legislated where I live, or I moved to a place where handgun registration were the law, I would seriously consider either moving or having a convenient boating accident (ie, disposing of my handguns in lieu of registering them). The government has no business knowing what I have or don't have - There's a valid reason - I value my freedom, my right to keep and bear arms, and my privacy. Sufficient for you?

Second: While I didn't state it, I agree - helping to inform a person of the actual laws and what they mean (if you know them yourself - many people here don't know the laws in their own jurisdictions, and we have a much higher concentration of people that are knowledgeable in those topics), or helping them find someone that CAN explain the laws in their jurisdiction - a lawyer (NOT a cop - they're paid to enforce the law, not to know it) is the way to go.

Third: Nothing I said implied that the OP should get involved in a straw purchase or anything illegal - I'm neither an idiot nor am I a criminal.

Finally: How do you attribute someone asking me to do something illegal as ME looking for a way to get in trouble? I think you've got yourself turned around backwards - the person ASKING is the one looking for trouble.

T Bran
May 12, 2012, 09:45 PM
While it is possible that she is totally innocent and misinformed. I would not bet my second amendment rights on it.
I have purchased guns from people who thought that there was a need to do a transfer of title as you would do with an automobile. Florida has no regestration process in place for face to face sales is a tough concept for some gun owners so I do get Rail Drivers point.
That said I dont keep a spotless record by ignoring the little voice that says run like the wind. Never been much of a gambler either.
No offence intended and keep in mind that free advice on the web is worth exactly what you paid for it. Only you can determine whether her intents are honorable or criminal.
Stay safe.
T

jrdolall
May 12, 2012, 11:52 PM
: How do you attribute someone asking me to do something illegal as ME looking for a way to get in trouble? I think you've got yourself turned around backwards - the person ASKING is the one looking for trouble.
Someone asking you to do something illegal means you are around a person that is breaking the law or at least trying to get you to break the law. I interpret that the OP is being asked by someone to do something that is, at the very least, shady. Whether that is intentional or not is really not important. Everyone that replied to the post was supportive until the OP's statement that she did not want a gun in her name and then the general concensus was that he should remove himself from the situation.

I own several guns that are not registered in my name. I have inherited them or bought them without documentation from individuals so the government does not know I have them. None of those were purchased just so the government would not know I have them.

I would definitely run away if anyone tried to get me to help them with a gun that was "not in their name". I would run away if they tried to get me to help them get a car that was not in their name. I just try very hard to distance myself from situations that could go wrong and it has worked for a lot of years.

I don't believe I implied that you would be involved in a straw purchase and I apologize if it came off that way. The scenario certainly sounds very fishy to me and I would rather offend the OP if this is all innocent than have him get involved with a firearm deal at 18 yrs old, or any age, that could cost him his gun rights.
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StrikeFire83
May 13, 2012, 12:03 AM
I would just ask myself, as others here have, what you're getting out of helping her and be aware that there's a distinct possibility that this woman is going to ask you to do something illegal. Is she a family member? If so, I can understand why you'd want to help her protect herself, and in that case I'd educate her on the law and give her purchase advice, but let the ultimate purchase be hers. Is she giving you something sexual? If that's the case, there are plenty of women out there who won't ask you to commit felonies in exchange for, errr, that.

Anyhow, I think you have enough advice here to make an informed decision. And for everybody who wants to "keep one gun 'off the books' so the goobernmint can't find it" more power to you. Have you bought your tinfoil hat yet? What about your water purifier? Did you know that cell phone towers can read your thoughts?

Blade&Bullet94
May 13, 2012, 01:27 AM
i was not expecting the flood of urging to back away when i posted that statement. she is a family friend iv known since i was very very little. she is NOT a fellon but she is one of those kind of conspiricy theorist prepper types. i have never been one to tempt the law, i dont even hardly speed, i dont drink nor smoke, and i would NEVER engage in straw purchase. i discussed this with her in great detail when the subject was first brought up. and, as i work in a gun shop, i have had encounters with people selling firearms that are worried about their names being on the guns. she thinks if the gun is in her name shell have "big brother" watching her. im sorry for the confusion

armoredman
May 13, 2012, 02:35 AM
Gun show. If you live in a free state like AZ, tell her to go buy from a private seller. Anything in the paper that looks good? Does your newspaper still carry firearm classifieds?
If you live in a state that requires everyone to go through an FFL, like Cali, then no dice, you already know the score, working at a gunshop.

MachIVshooter
May 13, 2012, 02:45 AM
First spray the gun and mag down liberally with brake parts cleaner put on your gloves put the gun in a bag

I wouldn't suggest brake cleaner. It will strip the finish, melt the grips and destroy any other platic parts in the gun. It's harsh stuff, and doesn't play nice with most polymers or enamels.

StrikeFire83
May 13, 2012, 02:51 AM
I wouldn't suggest brake cleaner. It will strip the finish, melt the grips and destroy any other platic parts in the gun. It's harsh stuff, and doesn't play nice with most polymers or enamels.

I think that was the point. bryco jennings guns are garbage and this action would render the pot-metal piece inoperable.

Snowdog
May 14, 2012, 08:39 PM
Oh, a Bryco you say? Just duct tape a laser pointer to the slide, then coat the whole thing with some gold-colored spray paint. Done.

Blade&Bullet94
May 15, 2012, 01:45 AM
well i think things will be ok. she understands the dangers of the gun, she is going to lock it away and never shoot it, the only reason she doesnt trash it is because the friend who sold it to her is no longer with us and its all she has left of him. i talked to her more about the who "dont want my name on it" thing, and its jsut because shes a VERY private person and yes, shes a bit paranoid. i found another friend that sold her a mini 14 and she loves it, so everything is good.

C0untZer0
May 15, 2012, 05:47 PM
According to their website:

The flagship feature of the Jimenez Arms J.A. Nine is its easy to use massive screw adjustable rear sight which is adjustable for windage and elevation. Other, higher priced, pistols do not offer this kind of flexibility

Ash
May 16, 2012, 09:58 PM
Yeah, they broke. They break fairly easily.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4vV08iwiww

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