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Havok7416
May 11, 2012, 07:52 AM
I managed to get out of the office today and stumbled across a really cool bunker complex (can't say where). While prowling around I found a casing on the ground. It is aluminum with a steel rim and base. Unfortunately I can't tell if it is Berdan or Boxer primed because the case mouth was crushed in. There are also no headstamp markings. It almost looks like a .30 Carbine case except for the double rim. This cartridge is one used by the French military sometime between the 1950s and the 1970s (as far as I can go on that subject). Anyone care to help me out on this one? I will try to provide better pictures based on the responses I get back.

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Ryanxia
May 11, 2012, 08:26 AM
That's certainly an interesting cartridge. I'd be curious as to what it is as well.

303tom
May 11, 2012, 09:26 AM
Thought I had seen em all, but you got me ????????????? Id be curious to know as well..............

dprice3844444
May 11, 2012, 09:29 AM
http://cartridgecollectors.org/links.htm

Havok7416
May 11, 2012, 09:33 AM
I am continuing to research this and I have found that Indian 7.62 brass occasionally has a double rim. For the life of me I can't think of WHY that would be necessary. If you look carefully at the photo I took of the rear of the case, there is a "step" leading up to the aluminum. Even with a fully formed case, the rim would be substantially larger than the body.

56hawk
May 11, 2012, 10:15 AM
I'm guessing that's not a rifle cartridge, but an artillery ignition tube or whatever the proper term is. Basically a primer for a really large powder charge.

Havok7416
May 11, 2012, 10:23 AM
I'm guessing that's not a rifle cartridge, but an artillery ignition tube or whatever the proper term is. Basically a primer for a really large powder charge.
The ony problem I see with that is the site where this was found is almost completely inaccessible. We had to put our truck in 4 High and it was still tough going. There were no firing positions for anything big up there either. It was pretty much all underground. Maybe this is a primer for a mortar?

ClickClickD'oh
May 11, 2012, 10:24 AM
Yeah, I'm going to go with artillery or a mortar lift charge.

Havok7416
May 11, 2012, 10:50 AM
Thanks a lot guys!:cool: If I can get permission I will post some pictures of the bunker system I will post them in this thread!

CountryUgly
May 11, 2012, 11:10 AM
Aww gees you better hide that:what:. It was a round used by super secret Hindu ninjas employed by the German government by way of the French Foreign Legion. It was filled with an anti matter propellant that launched a nuke tipped super penatrator at 1,439,821 fps. It was invented in 1891 in South Africa by a 12 year old British girl. It's most famous use was it was the round that has become known as The Shot Heard Around the World. Today it is chamber in the Presidents personal sidearm carried in a shoulder rig under his jacket. FYI it was also the original round intended for the 1911 but was scraped by John Browning because the French liked it and he said "I ain't using no Sissy round" so he created the .45acp and well we all know which round won.:neener::evil:

Jeremiah10:23
May 11, 2012, 11:21 AM
Country, you should enter a liars contest. That's good but I think I'll call "Bovine Excrement" on that. (Just kidding, that's funny)

CountryUgly
May 11, 2012, 12:08 PM
Country, you should enter a liars contest. That's good but I think I'll call "Bovine Excrement" on that. (Just kidding, that's funny)
I try.....

Claude Clay
May 11, 2012, 04:18 PM
post #6 by 56hawk .....that is my working hypothesis

303tom
May 11, 2012, 04:23 PM
Primer Tube, kind of what I thought it was..........

Claude Clay
May 11, 2012, 04:23 PM
uder his jacket.....

did he grow up with the mom on Time's cover; which i find to be udderly ridiculous anyways but if it has to do with the French and firearms I've no doubt you found that on the floor. obviously dropped next to a rusted rifle.

Havok7416
May 12, 2012, 02:36 AM
303tom that's a good find, thanks.

Claude I believe this would be from a French Foreign Legion unit. Most of them aren't French at all.:p

I have added some pictures of the bunker system if anyone is interested. We didn't go inside because of snakes, bats and a few cave-ins.

DrewBegley
May 12, 2012, 02:52 AM
definitely a primer from an artillery piece. I've fired the 'old' (90's) American M198 and that's definitely an old school primer. I've got a box of the 198 primers somewhere around the house

Havok7416
May 12, 2012, 02:56 AM
definitely a primer from an artillery piece. I've fired the 'old' (90's) American M198 and that's definitely an old school primer. I've got a box of the 198 primers somewhere around the house

You wouldn't happen to have the shells to load them into would you?:D:rolleyes:

Gunnerboy
May 12, 2012, 09:39 AM
Thats a pretty sweet looking bunker, thanks for sharing.

1911fan
May 12, 2012, 10:11 AM
In seperate loading artillery ammunition like the 155mm, the primer doesn't go into the shell (that's the fuze on the nose) or into the canister, because there isn't one.

Powder bags are shoved into the breech as needed after the projectile is seated and the primer goes into a firing lock on the breechblock after it's closed.

If I recall correctly, 155 primers are aboiut the size of a .44 mag round but have that little step so that they couldn't be chambered in a handgun.

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Jeff F
May 12, 2012, 11:12 AM
I remember a tour on the USS Missouri BB63 and the 16"/50 gun turret, the percussion fired primmer that set that bad boy off looked like a 30-06 blank that went into the breach block after it was closed and locked.

Claude Clay
May 12, 2012, 12:35 PM
Havoc, post 16 the 1st pic

hard to imagine a solider dressed in gear decending thet 'ladder' into the ground.

as you can not say where the bunker is, can you tell us where your office is? even 'just about..."

beatledog7
May 12, 2012, 02:39 PM
I'm going with .55 Squash. Most people have never heard of it, but that's what that is alright!

Havok7416
May 12, 2012, 03:46 PM
Havoc, post 16 the 1st pic

hard to imagine a solider dressed in gear decending thet 'ladder' into the ground.

as you can not say where the bunker is, can you tell us where your office is? even 'just about..."

Think 1950s to early 1960s when the troops carried much less equipment. I do know that other militaries and the Foreign Legion in particular carry lighter equipment packs. And no, I unfortunately cannot reveal much about where I am at all. I can tell you I have had 2 AKs and one G3 pointed at me in the last year and that's about as close as I get to weapons!

SANDRAT
May 13, 2012, 07:36 PM
The French did some weird stuff.When I was going through EOD school,they taught us;If it looks French,it probably IS French<<< LOL !!

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