I know the NAA companion is the smallest,but what other options are out there......any suggestions?
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May 11, 2012, 11:02 AM
Colt made a .31 caliber model(s) 1848/9 that is pretty small and can be slipped into pockets.
Also, Remington made a .31 caliber, IIRC called an "1863 model" which is even smaller.
If you're thinking self-defense IMHO there are modern guns like the Ruger LCP and the Sig Sauer P238 that would be much better choices.
With the right outer garment and a shoulder holster you can conceal even the full size belt revolvers. The biggest issue with them is printing from the standard grip. A birds head grip works better for concealment. The sheriff models conceal ok on the belt but still require a good size coat to cover effectively. The avenging angel pistols are more concealable but when cutting down the barrel that much on a BP pistol you are going to have a serious loss in bullet velocity which means it would be less effective for SD.
May 11, 2012, 01:39 PM
If you wanted to be a bit more modern, bp cartridge, here's what I use. I even use it for carry on occasion. I cut the bbl down to 1 3/4in and it carries in a front jeans pocket comfortably.
May 11, 2012, 02:26 PM
I am not sure the point here, but some folks believe that because muzzle loading/percussion handguns are not "firearms" under federal law and are exempt in most states from handgun purchase restrictions, they are also exempt from laws regarding handgun carry, concealed carry, or deadly weapon laws, even armed robbery laws and the like.
NOT TRUE. A matchlock pistol is a deadly weapon in every state of the union and is illegal to carry or carry concealed in any state which has laws regulating that practice. Stick up a store with a Model 1836 flintlock pistol and it is armed robbery, the same as if it were a Glock .40.
May 11, 2012, 03:04 PM
Sltm1 that's a perdy piece you have there and it has piqued my curiosity. What I'm trying to say is....Whacha got there son?
May 11, 2012, 04:43 PM
Harrod, it's a 1877 S&W 32 cf top break, Model 3 1 1/2. The way I modified it, it's right at 5.5 in overall. I'm going to strip off the remaining nickle and blue it in the near future. Here's one I just sold, it's what they look like without barrel modification.
May 11, 2012, 09:27 PM
One of my first firearm purchases was a $60 cva, brass framed 1863 pocket. It's a cool little gun but hardly something I'd want to bet my life on. Here is a crappy cell phone pic of it next to my 5" bbl 1858 for a little size comparison.
Very true, Concealment laws and Right to Use Deadly Force laws still apply too. However should Society as we know it break-down I am sure we will see many innovative B/P Pocket arms! After the Gun Grabbers get all the Smokeless guns then we will have to resort to B/P and good old American injenuity!
Till then, it's realy neat to hear of and see some of these pretty Pocket Pistols!
May 12, 2012, 12:16 AM
Here in Canada the Pocket Pistols with barrel length less than 4 1/8 inches are Prohibited to us average Mortals... antiques are un-regulated. I can not own a reproduction Pocket Colt with a 4 inch barrel but a real one can be had with no paperwork at all. :banghead:
So this is what I came up with, an ASM .31 cal. Baby Dragoon with a 5 1/4 inch barrel..this gun is restricted meaning it can only be shot at an approved range:
On one of the many 'caught on tape' shows (I forget which one) there was security video of a convience store being robbed by a guy with a B/P revolver. He fired two shots and filled the room with smoke, to the point that you almost couldn't see him.
May 12, 2012, 12:46 PM
There's something to be said for a SD gun that also lays down a James Bond smoke screen for you. If you can't stop the violent criminal, you can escape unseen.:neener:
May 12, 2012, 01:17 PM
break top S&W snubbie..nice!fishing gun gun..The shortest barrel ive ever seen on the 32 central fire heres a picture of the original ammo,notice the minnieball style hollow base,it fills the old style bores some 32 cal as large as 312.- 317. diamiter,.nowadays the guns are made to the ammo specifications
May 12, 2012, 01:41 PM
I'd like to see an ROA with a chopped barrel and bird's head grip.
Not gonna do it to mine, but I'd like to see it.
May 12, 2012, 03:09 PM
go to the black powder pistol thread on this fourm theres a choped R O A :eek:
May 12, 2012, 03:11 PM
SASS and Cowboy Action shooting have pocket pistol side matches.
May 12, 2012, 09:47 PM
OK, I like that chopped ROA with birdshead grip. If I had a couple spare ROAs, I'd have to chop one like that.
May 12, 2012, 11:12 PM
a 1862 police uberti 36 5 shot fluted cylinder,or an 31 cal 1863 remmie,although I'm sure the pocket police would have a increased powder capacity
May 13, 2012, 01:08 AM
Pietta makes a ''1862 Police'' that is really an 1861 Navy [.36 caliber six shot on a Navy frame, rather than the five shot on a Pocket Model frame] that is a decent combination of stopping power and is quite concealable.
May 13, 2012, 11:54 AM
I have 1863 .31 remington, and a naa supper companion. The little remmie shoots so high at 30 feet I am aiming at the ground to hit the target, The naa shoots ok and I have the laser sight on it and that works good as well and would be helpful in a defense situation if you see the dot on the target it will hit it, these little guns take some practice, much harder than a full size gun any little movement and you are way off target. I rarely soot them, not much fun at the range, a pain to load, and just something else I have to clean, if I had some land I would probably shoot them more often. A 1849 uberti .31 colt might work because you can get a .32 cal conversion cylinder for it. But these little cap & ball guns you better shoot and run real fast as you may be in for a butt kicken, plus the legal issue, you carrie one of these around to protect yourself only to find you are the one going to jail, and the state will empty your wallet faster than the bad guys. I would go with a good pepper spray and a taser or stun-gun, or you could run around with a paintball gun like dog the bounty hunter.
May 13, 2012, 11:27 PM
I like the barrel length of the 1849 Colt Pocket .31, but I'd rather have a .36 cal, like the 1862 police or pocket navy.
Does Uberti make a shorter barreled version of the 62 police or pocket navy?
May 25, 2012, 01:12 PM
remember dog the bounty hunter is a convict,felon,here in Michigan if your not a prohibitided person you can carry concealed on your land,home,place of business,or employers place with permission,or anywhere on private property with permission from the owner,without a ccp permit.percussion guns are just fun!............jaymo no they dont make a shorter version 36 cal pocket police,but i have seen some kind of avenging angels for sale.
May 25, 2012, 02:53 PM
Reliability is the key for a Pocket Pistol and the fear of lost caps is always a concern.
As you poose barrrel length you loose power so you'd better start off with a pretty big bore to chop. I am afraid that a chopped .31 might not give penetration necessary or the power to make it a fight stoper. Best start with a .36cal.
This is why most Derringers were chambered in the .40's.
Snubbies DO make for interesting conversational pieces!
May 25, 2012, 03:06 PM
The Birdshead snubby was an 1860 Colt clone in .44