SifuGun
May 12, 2012, 12:47 PM
Does anyone know if this version of the M4 will have a di system or gas piston. thx
U.S. Army places order for 24,000 M4A1 carbines with Remington
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Robert
May 12, 2012, 02:43 PM
Is the Army fielding any piston guns for general use?
SabbathWolf
May 12, 2012, 04:31 PM
really? http://militarytimes (http://militarytimes.com/blogs/gearscout/2012/04/20/us-army-places-order-for-24000-m4-carbines-with-remington/)
Interesting!
Seems all the hoopla about new weapons trials for piston guns and/or a suitable replacement for the M4 is still a dead end so far.
I find this interesting that they went with Remington yet didn't order the ACR?
I guess the ACR is "still" not a good enough upgrade to justify dropping the M4?
Interesting!
Seems all the hoopla about new weapons trials for piston guns and/or a suitable replacement for the M4 is still a dead end so far.
I find this interesting that they went with Remington yet didn't order the ACR?
I guess the ACR is "still" not a good enough upgrade to justify dropping the M4?
Salmoneye
May 12, 2012, 04:43 PM
Isn't this the same company that can't make a working replica of a 120 year old lever action rifle, even when they buy the company that was successfully making them?
Rail Driver
May 12, 2012, 04:52 PM
The M4 is a direct gas impingement system - The Army hasn't fielded ANY piston driven systems for general use though they have been/are being tested in limited numbers in the field.
There are 4 designations that I'm aware of, having to do with the fire control capabilities and receiver style - fixed carry handle, safe/semi/burst; fixed handle, safe/semi/FA, and then both fire control systems with a flat top upper. I'm certain there are a few other designations I'm not aware of now, but that's how it was when I was in.
There are 4 designations that I'm aware of, having to do with the fire control capabilities and receiver style - fixed carry handle, safe/semi/burst; fixed handle, safe/semi/FA, and then both fire control systems with a flat top upper. I'm certain there are a few other designations I'm not aware of now, but that's how it was when I was in.
sgtstryker
May 12, 2012, 05:12 PM
This seems to be reported as true. Also, the Army is fielding 10,000 conversion kits for current M4's that include a heavier barrel and the piston drive system and full auto. The new contract is for, eventually, 120,000 carbines and some say Colt will participate in the deal, some say they won't. Guess we'll wait and see. The Marine Corps is staying with their version of M4 and M16 and concentrate on ammo developments.
SifuGun
May 12, 2012, 05:43 PM
This seems to be reported as true. Also, the Army is fielding 10,000 conversion kits for current M4's that include a heavier barrel and the piston drive system and full auto. The new contract is for, eventually, 120,000 carbines and some say Colt will participate in the deal, some say they won't. Guess we'll wait and see. The Marine Corps is staying with their version of M4 and M16 and concentrate on ammo developments.
sgtstryker wrote :
"Also, the Army is fielding 10,000 conversion kits for current M4's that include a heavier barrel and the piston drive system and full auto."
May I ask if you know Who is making the piston drive for these kits?
sgtstryker wrote :
"Also, the Army is fielding 10,000 conversion kits for current M4's that include a heavier barrel and the piston drive system and full auto."
May I ask if you know Who is making the piston drive for these kits?
sgtstryker
May 12, 2012, 06:20 PM
According to the Army Times, these modifications are being done by Colt to current production M4's. It also states the piston drive mods won't begin for 18 months.
Inebriated
May 12, 2012, 06:34 PM
Cool, so Remington will be receiving 23,999 M4's for warranty work!
Joking aside, that's pretty cool about the piston systems.
Joking aside, that's pretty cool about the piston systems.
Eric M
May 12, 2012, 07:07 PM
There are 4 designations that I'm aware of, having to do with the fire control capabilities and receiver style - fixed carry handle, safe/semi/burst; fixed handle, safe/semi/FA, and then both fire control systems with a flat top upper.
That's the M16. The M4 has two variants, the M4 which is burst only and the M4A1 which is fully automatic. Both have the flat top upper receiver except a few of the first ones.
That's the M16. The M4 has two variants, the M4 which is burst only and the M4A1 which is fully automatic. Both have the flat top upper receiver except a few of the first ones.
jason41987
May 12, 2012, 08:23 PM
is everyone excited about the use of pistons ignoring the fact that M-16 + piston = fail?
Inebriated
May 12, 2012, 08:48 PM
M-16 + piston = fail
That's some funny lookin math. Care to explain how that works?
That's some funny lookin math. Care to explain how that works?
SabbathWolf
May 12, 2012, 09:46 PM
is everyone excited about the use of pistons ignoring the fact that M-16 + piston = fail?
It's true that trying to retrofit an M4 with a piston has it's "different" set of problems that come along with it as well.
All you are doing is trading one set of issues with DI for a different set of issues with piston.
To me, the military just needs to start all over at ground zero, and if they want a piston gun with AK type dependability, then they need to start from the ground up with a new rifle built around a piston system, rather than going backward and trying all this retrofitting stuff.
It's true that trying to retrofit an M4 with a piston has it's "different" set of problems that come along with it as well.
All you are doing is trading one set of issues with DI for a different set of issues with piston.
To me, the military just needs to start all over at ground zero, and if they want a piston gun with AK type dependability, then they need to start from the ground up with a new rifle built around a piston system, rather than going backward and trying all this retrofitting stuff.
Jeff F
May 12, 2012, 10:47 PM
Its going to be a copy of the M4 they were buying from Colt supposedly made to the same specs.
Destructo6
May 13, 2012, 01:29 AM
This seems to be reported as true. Also, the Army is fielding 10,000 conversion kits for current M4's that include a heavier barrel and the piston drive system and full auto. The new contract is for, eventually, 120,000 carbines and some say Colt will participate in the deal, some say they won't. Guess we'll wait and see. The Marine Corps is staying with their version of M4 and M16 and concentrate on ammo developments.
Looks like the USMC is playing with HK's 16" bbl piston gun as their "Infantry Automatic Rifle." Designated "M27," it is intended to replace the SAW in some situations.
Looks like the USMC is playing with HK's 16" bbl piston gun as their "Infantry Automatic Rifle." Designated "M27," it is intended to replace the SAW in some situations.
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