If you lose your sight, should you also lose your guns?


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Yoda
May 12, 2012, 02:58 PM
Apparently New Jersey thought so... But they're not appealing the judge's ruling.

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/05/12/blind-nj-man-gets-guns-back-years-after-police-confiscated-them/

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Shadow 7D
May 13, 2012, 01:05 AM
ADA suit
and the stuff will stick all over them

somebody is gonna make good money over that one.

Rmeju
May 13, 2012, 02:10 AM
Even if he is not able to safely shoot them, that's doesn't mean the state should be able to come into his home and take his property.

If he uses them negligently, that's one thing, but simply owning them is quite another.

cyclopsshooter
May 13, 2012, 02:23 AM
I have always felt that loosing an eye made me a better marksman. Give the man a chance, he may be pretty good.

zxcvbob
May 13, 2012, 02:44 AM
I wish him good luck actually getting the guns back. (the police won't be able to find them) Extra points if they are still in usable condition.
“It’s just simply that the police didn’t want Steve Hopler to own firearms because he’s blind and they felt that was improper.”
Should have used the word "indecent" instead of "improper" for a little more punch. ;)

mlr1m
May 13, 2012, 04:35 PM
Should idiots lose their right to free speech?

Michael

Loosedhorse
May 15, 2012, 07:42 AM
AFAIK, you should not even lose your legal ability to carry.

This topic was previously discussed here (http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=626170).

I wonder if the judge's ruling was more based on ADA or 2A.

beatledog7
May 15, 2012, 07:44 AM
Can a blind person own a car? Yes!

zxcvbob
May 15, 2012, 08:18 AM
I wonder if the case will be overturned based on ADA or 2A. While anything is possible, it is hard for me to imagine the decision being upheld, if they take it high enough.

Don't forget about the Takings Clause of the 5th amendment.

mr.scott
May 15, 2012, 11:32 AM
I don't believe a physical impairment our complete lack of arms should prevent someone from owning a firearm. If a handicap is deemed suitable grounds to strip one of rights then you open the door to much more draconian policies towards handicapped people. If this was upheld then at what point will the government stop? If they were allowed to remove his gun rights, why wouldn't they remove his or other handicapped peoples rights to say Vote? Does a mentally retarded person over the age of 18 loose that right? Hell, why give any handicapped person the right to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Based on the writings and history of some in the current administration, they would view it as a chance to euthanize the "undesirables" of society.

Jim NE
May 15, 2012, 10:36 PM
Should idiots lose their right to free speech?


Can a blind person own a car? Yes!


Two VERY good points.

Not to make light of this unfortunate predicament, but this story got me to thinking about something I heard many years ago when I was into folk and roots music. One of the great blues singers from the Old South was Blind Rev. Gary Davis.

I remember blues revivalist Stefan Grosman once said that the Rev., who had no sight at all, used to carry a .45 when he was busking on the street in case someone tried to run off with his proceeds for the day. Grosman commented that he had no idea how Gary would know if he was shooting the right person or not.

Another account from another folk singer, Barry Melton:

"Well, the next morning I woke up and remember having to go into my room to get some clothes or something out of my chest of drawers. I was very quiet, as I could hear Rev snoring and didn't want to wake him. Well, I got whatever it was and I was headed toward the door when I heard in a commanding voice,'Don't move or you're dead!'. I turned around to see Rev with a .38 revolver in his hand pointed in my general direction, but sort of moving around so as to cover a wider target area. I remember screaming something to the effect of, 'No--don't shoot.' Rev replied, 'One wrong move and you're dead.' Well, then I started talking a mile a minute...'Rev, it's me, it's Barry, don't shoot Rev...I was only getting something from my chest of drawers... Finally, Rev said, 'Is that you, Barry?' The incident was soon over, and I had escaped with me life. I guess, from his perspective, it must have been kind of weird to be alone, blind, on the road 3,000 miles from home and rooming with a bunch of lunatic young musicians many years his junior. But to this day, the picture of Reverend Gary Davis that sticks in my mind the most is early in the morning, half-awake and blind as a bat, with a .38 in his hand pointed in my general direction. It was one of the most frightening moments of my life. I'll never forget it."

JerryC
May 15, 2012, 11:34 PM
oops, didn't read the first article
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Sheepdog1968
May 15, 2012, 11:36 PM
Ther are people who can see who collect guns but don't shoot them.

Dave Workman
May 16, 2012, 10:19 AM
Should idiots lose their right to free speech?

Michael

What, and deprive me of legions of politicians to write about?
Ye gads, man! That would boot me to the unemployment line because I do not cook fries very well.
Screed-pedalling is my stock in trade. My daily bowl of rice.

SHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!

:evil:

rajb123
May 16, 2012, 12:21 PM
I don't understand why the cops don't want him to own guns. Blind people are perfectly capability of shooting intruders. In addition, maybe he only wants to collect the guns as an investment. ...being blind should not preclude him from owning guns.

He may not drive a car because he is blind but that does not prevent him from owning cars; right?

NEW JERSEY is a horrible state for gun rights.

liberty -r- death
May 16, 2012, 12:27 PM
2nd amendment says nothing about "only the sighted" can keep and bear arms.

drsfmd
May 16, 2012, 12:30 PM
If he uses them negligently, that's one thing, but simply owning them is quite another.

This.

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