[deadmeat]

does anyone have any experience with these? i can get one for under $200. has 18 inch barrel, pistol grip and comes with shoulder length stock.
Are the decent or are the a POS?

[deadmeat]

i just bought a Norinco HD shotgun modeled after the ithaca 37. It has the short barrel with shroud. It seems to be very well built for $175. Ill go shoot it tomorrow to test it out. I plan on putting 71/2 high brass in it !

[Moparmike]

I have a Legacy Escort, and I like it. Feels good, hasnt had any failures, 7+1 cap. Only bad part is the hollow plastic buttstock. No weight to absorb recoil.

[TimRB]

"Only bad part is the hollow plastic buttstock. No weight to absorb recoil."

I have a Winchester 1300 Defender with a plastic, uh, I mean synthetic stock. It also is a lightweight and has a rather brutal recoil, especially with buckshot or slugs. What I did was weigh out about a pound and a half of birdshot, put it in a baggie and jam it into the front of the stock. Then I crammed as much foam padding as I could get into the rest of the space, and put the recoil pad back on. This brings the empty weight up to about eight pounds and makes a very big improvement in the recoil situation.

Tim

[mrbambastik]

I have the legacy pump in 18" 5+1. and highly recommend it.
Price was not an issue for me and I have compared it extensively with other shotguns. It won over all others based on the following criteria (in order of importance):
- at 6 lbs it is 1lb lighter than any other HD shotgun. In a HD situation you want a shotgun that's easy to swing and aim towards the threat, and you want smaller members of your family to be able and do it too. The Legacy is extremely easy to swing.
- Build quality. Hatsan has a lot of CNC machines and makes shotguns for other brands in high volume so they can afford the mahines (labor costs are low in Turkey). All parts are CNC-milled to very tight tolerances and other gun makers can't match that without the equipment.
- Superior design: Hatsan has manufactured shotguns for Benelli and H&K for years and they have learned a lot in the process. I believe they have taken the H&K design and improved it. They kept the 90 degree-bent slide release from the H&K which is an awesome feature. They reduced the total number of parts over the 870-based design making the Legacy easier to take down. BTW this is the same kind of improvement Glock made over Colt. It made for a more reliable gun and earned Glock its reputation. Hatsan also sandwitched an aluminum receiver in a parkerized steel shell and saved a bunch of weight on the gun. Take a look at the receiver and you will see the 2 different metal parts. This is an awesome idea because it allowed them to make a mirror-finished receiver inside were the shells slide effortlessly, there is no chance of catching an edge like in a cast Remy received and incure a FTF.
Take a look at the forehand. This is the best ergonomically designed forehand I have ever seen. My fingers find their natural spot everytime. And it does not rattle like the Benelli or Mossy because less moving parts are in there. It feels rock solid.
- Reliability/Accuracy: Hatsan won a bid to equip our troops in Iraq 2 years ago. After 2 years of use I heard good things about these guns through the grapevine. They are imprevious to sand and keep working with little maintenance.

I believe the 10 years from now, when enough people have handled it and taken it appart, the Hatsan Legacy pump shotgun will be viewed as the Glock of shotguns.