[Brink]

As posted on "The Firing Line" forum.

I went to the range today (Pulaski Outdoorsman's Club in Somerset, KY), and tested my Taurus Judge PD Poly. I have read that some people don't like the Judge for some reason or another, but I decided to go out on a limb and give one a shot. All targets shot standing. First of all, the pistol in question:

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8028/7134289645_9bc5049bea_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/kamelean/7134289645/)
Judge (http://www.flickr.com/photos/kamelean/7134289645/) by kamelean (http://www.flickr.com/people/kamelean/), on Flickr

First up, I took a shot at a splatter target at 7 yards. Shooting Federal Premium 2 1/2 inch 000 Buckshot. http://www.midwayusa.com/product/533166/federal-premium-personal-defense-ammunition-410-bore-2-1-2-000-buckshot-4-pellets-box-of-20. This was one shot, single action, 2 handed. (The yellow impact mark to the left of the bulls-eye was the wadding impact.)

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5445/7184311048_6f2dcd9fcf_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/kamelean/7184311048/)
Buckshot (http://www.flickr.com/photos/kamelean/7184311048/) by kamelean (http://www.flickr.com/people/kamelean/), on Flickr

Target number 2 is courtesy of Remington Slugger, 2 1/2 inch rifled slug, 1/5 ounce. http://www.midwayusa.com/product/415676/remington-slugger-ammunition-410-bore-2-1-2-1-5-oz-rifled-slug-box-of-5. 5 shots, single action, 2 hands, slow fire. Again at 7 yards.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7229/7168408512_a3baa93b1b_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/kamelean/7168408512/)
5 slugs (http://www.flickr.com/photos/kamelean/7168408512/) by kamelean (http://www.flickr.com/people/kamelean/), on Flickr

More in post 2.

[Brink]

Target number 3 is provided courtesy of Remington #8 shot sporting clays load http://www.midwayusa.com/product/1601813402/remington-premier-nitro-gold-sporting-clays-target-ammunition-410-bore-2-1-2-1-2-oz-8-shot. Target shot at 3 yards, typical snake distance. One handed, single action.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8151/7184314080_414643a0bf_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/kamelean/7184314080/)
Birdshot (http://www.flickr.com/photos/kamelean/7184314080/) by kamelean (http://www.flickr.com/people/kamelean/), on Flickr

Final target was the same buckshot as earlier, http://www.midwayusa.com/product/533166/federal-premium-personal-defense-ammunition-410-bore-2-1-2-000-buckshot-4-pellets-box-of-20. This target was shot at 25 yards. 2 hands, single action. The target was a standard B-29 target. http://www.midwayusa.com/product/219685/nra-official-silhouette-target-b-29-50-foot-paper-package-of-100. I admit that I pulled the shot, but the grouping was what I was after. I shot at the x-ring, and caught the target at the left shoulder.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7095/7167969712_14ac01a565_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/kamelean/7167969712/)
Group (http://www.flickr.com/photos/kamelean/7167969712/) by kamelean (http://www.flickr.com/people/kamelean/), on Flickr

I feel that targets speak louder than words, so consider this my review of the Judge. I look forward to your comments.

[willypete]

Second image in the first post and first image in the second post have error messages.

What is the diameter of that multi-colored splatter target?

What are your impressions of recoil, balance, trigger pull, etc.? Pictures may speak louder than words, but you didn't take pictures of these things.

I hope you like your gun.

[Coal Dragger]

The pictures do speak louder than words. They firmly reinforce my view that the Judge concept is silly. It makes a lousy handgun capable of extremely sub-par accuracy, and an even worse shotgun.

[Brink]

Targets measure 8 inches for the circular area. http://www.walmart.com/ip/Dirty-Bird-8-Multi-Colored-Target/16879502

Recoil is actually quite a bit. This is not a pistol that I would ever take out and just shoot for fun like I would a 22. The recoil does not flip the gun up and back like a typical pistol, it comes straight back in a straight line into your wrist. I was using an aggressive stance with my left foot forward, most weight on the left foot. Left shoulder forward. The recoil effectively transferred up my wrist through my arm, and I could feel it in my shoulder.

Balance. The balance point of the gun is very near the center when it is loaded. Look at the first picture, and you will see a screw at the front of the trigger guard. That is the balance point. With the balance point very near to the center, the gun points very well, which coincides with the hi-vis front sight. I'm used to sights like that on a shotgun, which is kind of what this is.

The trigger is tough to rate as I do not have a trigger scale. Single action, I can notice no creep. Best guess is a 5 pound pull. Also no overtravel. I would prefer a lighter trigger for single action, but I can certainly live with the trigger being as such. Double action is a very long pull. My wife cannon actuate the trigger on double action. My guess is 12 pounds, but I have no way of verifying this.

Let me know if you have any other questions. And sorry for the wall of text.

[MCgunner]

Why bother with those puny .410 slugs? I think a .22 has more energy from a handgun. :rolleyes: Well, maybe not, but it's a close race with a .32ACP for sure. The thing will shoot serious ammo. It's called .45 Colt. Don't need that monster cylinder to shoot .45 Colt, but it's the only ammo I'd trust on a human attacker from the gun. The 000 buck I might consider in a thin walled apartment. I wouldn't shoot .410 slugs in a real .410, let alone one with a 2" barrel. Out of a 28" barrel, it makes around 500 ft lbs, but with an 88 grain slug whose sectional density has to be as low as projectiles from firearms get.

I'll keep my Taurus 85SSUL, thanks. It is smaller, pocket sized, and 17 ounces and +P .38 is a lot more pop than anything from a .410.

[Brink]

Next week I'm going to test some 45LC. And my carry load is the Buck, not slugs. The group that I posted with the buckshot was not the best group it has ever shot either, just the one that I shot for record. I observed that I would get a buckshot group like the picture above about half the time, and the other half like the picture below.

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5038/7149947887_6cfd6e465f_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/kamelean/7149947887/)
Target (http://www.flickr.com/photos/kamelean/7149947887/) by kamelean (http://www.flickr.com/people/kamelean/), on Flickr

[MCgunner]

Well, up close, the 000 should be okay. I'd use it in a thin walled apartment to limit penetration with misses. Slugs won't be accurate and accuracy from the .45 Colt will be lessened to a degree by all the free bore. However, it'll probably be plenty accurate enough for self defense to 15 yards. I know it'll be less than stellar from experience with a .410/.45 Colt barrel on my Contender. That gun is capable of 1 MOA in a normal caliber/barrel. 8 MOA was the best I could get out of it with .45 Colt, but that's still 2" at 25 yards for groups. I would not expect any judge to match a Cotender's accuracy, but it should probably be 3-4" at 25 yards accurate off a rest at best. At least even though your barrel is short, what with the length of the cylinder, the sight radius is ample. That's so-so duty carry accuracy, but it'll get the job done, don't need any more accuracy than that.

[weregunner]

Nice report Brink.

I'll be looking for the .45 Colt report.

[TennJed]

The pictures do speak louder than words. They firmly reinforce my view that the Judge concept is silly. It makes a lousy handgun capable of extremely sub-par accuracy, and an even worse shotgun.
Good thing you are not required to own one.

Nice review Brink, keep us updated. Mine (steel not poly) is comparable to my Blackhawk with a 4 5/8" barrel at 20 yards with 45 colt. Plenty good enough for me. I have yet to shoot any 410s out of it. I got it mainly for fun and I love reloading the 45colt. I was suprised at how accurate it is though

[Nushif]

Seven yards single action slow fire?
Just wanna reconfirm that one, because the ones I shot were miles more accurate than that.

[mgkdrgn]

Keep in mind folks that the Judge is designed as a point defense, SD weapon. Period. It's not a target pistol, it's not a "skeet" pistol, it's not a cowboy action shooting pistol, you won't use it to shoot the hostage taker from behind the hostage at 50 yards. It's a tool for dealing with vermin ... 4 legged, no legged and two legged.

98%+ of all SD shootings take place at 10 FEET or less, not YARDS. Think "bad breath range". Honestly, testing a Judge at 25 yards is like testing a 22lr at 500 ... it's out of their design realm.

If you shoot someone at 25 YARDS and try to claim "self defense", you are going to have a serious uphill battle.

The fact that it's power falls off quickly with distance is, in my mind, a PLUS for an SD weapon. When that lead leaves the barrel, it's your problem, where ever it ends up. When your misses from your 9mm or .45 acp go skipping off through the neighborhood (most SD shootings are three shots, or less, of which two miss) you are responsible for where ever they end up. That could be a tree, side of a house, or that red headed kid on the monkey bars at the playground down the block.

The other plus is firing a pattern rather than a single projectile. If I'm shooting a 45, I've got a single projectile less than 1/2 wide that I need to make intersect with the target, which will likely be moving, in what will for sure be a chaotic situation. I think it's safe to assume that if I've got a pattern of multiple projectiles 12 - 18 inches wide (ie, 24 to 36 TIMES the size of the .45), I've got a much better chance of getting a "hit" .. and I'll take a hit with even a single 000 buckshot ball over a miss with a 45 any day of the week. If I can hit them in 3 to 5 different places, all the same time, so much the better.

[V1ROT8]

In the home or up close and personal is where the 410 shells prove their worth. My Judge is always available in my home.

[T Bran]

Does anyone have experience with the longer barrels ?
Just wondering if they have an effect on velocity and or group size.
T

[Fiv3r]

Excellent pics. Thanks:) I'll admit that I took the Poly Public Defender plunge last week. Do I have "better" guns? sure. Is the PD the best go-to gun for SD, I guess that depends but I'm guessing not. I bought it because it was under 400 bones, it looked like fun to shoot, it might be nice weather resistant critter gun for the cabin (snakes, skunks, and coyotes are free to live and let live unless they come mucking about when my toddler daughter is within range), and I think it looks kinda cool with it's fugly chunky frame...but hey, i think Glocks have a purpose driven beauty;)

I find the explosion vs. kick to be manageable. The push back reminds me of black powder on steroids, but the polymer frame did make the felt recoil a little more noticeable. I wouldn't call it painful, but you could tell you're shooting a snubbie with a stubby grip.

In short, I can't find much to not like about this gun. It was affordable, it shoots a lot of different types of ammo, the ammo I have shot out of it has only been the handgun designed type and seems to pattern pretty well for what it is. I've only shot it out to 7ish yards because that's the optimal range for its design. It's the same distance I practice with my LCP and LCR for similar reasons. In the heat of the moment, I actually feel a little bit better about my chances of stopping a fight while under stress with the PD from that distance as the 000 buck seems to be at least marginally forgiving to a near miss if it lacks laserbeam precision.

If you understand the Judge for what it is, then it's not a bad gun. The problem is that you get two extremes: The folks that think it's the be-all end-all best SD shooter out there because it can blow up watermelons, and the folks that think that any kind of shot out of a Judge is just going to piss off an assailant instead of taking the fight out of him.

I'm in the middle of this. I think the Judge (if proven to function reliably...which is a Taurus issue at times) is a decent mediocre gun for trail hiking (not bear territory or anything silly) where you can load it up to fit your needs (snakes, varmints, vagrants, etc) and certainly a better carry piece than a .25 or .32...especially if you load it with decent .45 Colt. While it won't be the first gun I go running for at sign of trouble, I don't feel undergunned grabbing it in the middle of the night if it's loaded with 000 buck.

It's a love it or hate it revolver to a certain degree. I know that after playing with it and carrying it for a bit, I certainly don't regret my purchase.

[T.R.]

Thank you for sharing such an informative & interesting post!

TR

[stolivar]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_iJ34EHuQs&feature=related





steve

[DANO 308]

Great information. I too have a Judge Public Defender (Steel not Poly). I love mine! There are two things I will say though:

1) You really shouldn't shoot slugs through it. They are actually a .410" diameter and the barrel of the judge is .45". Kinda like throwing a hot dog down a hallway.

2) If you shoot yours as much as I like to, you quickly discover that 45 Long Colts are a little spendy and reloading info is pretty much non-existant on the web. You can find Super Blackhawk and Thompson Contender loads all day howver none for the Judge. I have tried several different loads and the one that seems to be the closest to the Winchester Super X 250 gn cowboy action lead flat nose loads is - 5.5 gn Titegroup with a 250 gn round nose lead bullet and a winchester for magnum of standard pistol loads primer. This gave me pretty consistant velicities of around 1050 fps. So yeah they're a little faster than the cowboy loads. I've also loaded a 185gn Hornaday XTP bullet on this too as a little bit more serious round, however the lead round noses you can get for around $50 per 500 vs $33 per 100 for the XTP's.

Enjoy!!

[Brink]

I'm heading to the range tomorrow again, and I'll take a few more pics. My wife is gonna go and see if she can get a pic of me under recoil. Also, I'm stopping by the sporting goods store to snag some 45LC to sling downrange.

[mgkdrgn]

Does anyone have experience with the longer barrels ?
Just wondering if they have an effect on velocity and or group size.
T
The longer the barrel, the more "donut" pattern you get out of the shot, and the faster it spreads out. Why ... I figure 'cause the rifling in the barrel has longer to get the shot column to spinning on it's way out.
Odd as it sounds, the shorter shoot tighter patterns.

[mgkdrgn]

Great information. I too have a Judge Public Defender (Steel not Poly). I love mine! There are two things I will say though:

1) You really shouldn't shoot slugs through it. They are actually a .410" diameter and the barrel of the judge is .45". Kinda like throwing a hot dog down a hallway.

2) If you shoot yours as much as I like to, you quickly discover that 45 Long Colts are a little spendy and reloading info is pretty much non-existant on the web. You can find Super Blackhawk and Thompson Contender loads all day howver none for the Judge. I have tried several different loads and the one that seems to be the closest to the Winchester Super X 250 gn cowboy action lead flat nose loads is - 5.5 gn Titegroup with a 250 gn round nose lead bullet and a winchester for magnum of standard pistol loads primer. This gave me pretty consistant velicities of around 1050 fps. So yeah they're a little faster than the cowboy loads. I've also loaded a 185gn Hornaday XTP bullet on this too as a little bit more serious round, however the lead round noses you can get for around $50 per 500 vs $33 per 100 for the XTP's.

Enjoy!!
You don't need a specific "Judge" load ... any 45 Colt load that does not say RUGER ONLY will do.
Personally I shoot a lot of 255 gr lead Keith bullets over 6gr of Green Dot (ya, green dot, go figure). Cheap to load up, goes BANG! right nice, accurate, and doesn't beat me up.
Then there are the 250 gr Metal Jacket hollow points that I send screaming out of my Rossi M92 at 2100+ fps ... but that's a whole nuther story!

[Brink]

I'm waiting on the wife to get home, then we're heading to the range for more target time. I snagged some 45LC while I was out today, so we'll see what develops.

[Brink]

Follow up review:

I took the Judge out again today, and had quite a bit more fun. I shot with my wife, and 2 other guys at the range. I shot 2 IPDA guns, and a steel challenge 22/45.

The Judge performed well again today. First target today is another Buckshot target. Federal Premium 2 1/2 inch 000 Buckshot. http://www.midwayusa.com/product/533166/federal-premium-personal-defense-ammunition-410-bore-2-1-2-000-buckshot-4-pellets-box-of-20. Target was shot at 7 yards, single action, 2 hands.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7229/7212980652_e75c1309fc_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/kamelean/7212980652/)
Buckshot 2 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/kamelean/7212980652/) by kamelean (http://www.flickr.com/people/kamelean/), on Flickr

Second target is 45LC. The only 45LC ammo my local sporting goods store had today was Hornady Frontier Ammunition 45 Colt (Long Colt) 255 Grain Lead Flat Nose. http://www.midwayusa.com/product/465448/hornady-frontier-ammunition-45-colt-long-colt-255-grain-lead-flat-nose-box-of-20. Mild recoil, good accuracy. Again, shot at 7 yards standing, 2 handed, single action. I was shooting at a full sized silhouette target, aiming at the number 7. 4 shots on the right, pulled one on the left.

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5151/7212982986_7311819292_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/kamelean/7212982986/)
45LC (http://www.flickr.com/photos/kamelean/7212982986/) by kamelean (http://www.flickr.com/people/kamelean/), on Flickr

As promised, I had my wife shoot a video of me so you could see the Judge under recoil. First 2 shots are 2 handed single action. Next 2 shots are 1 handed single action. Last shot is 1 handed, double action. The recoil on the 3rd and 4th shot looks exaggerated because of the follow-through. Recoil is comparable to a hot 357 load. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhZm7a9Mj6w

To end this review, I chose a picture of the last target my wife and I shot. Zombie target, 7 yards. 1 Buckshot to the head of the Zombie, and my wife took care of the Zombie dog with her 22.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8023/7213118816_d213732f64_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/kamelean/7213118816/)
Zombie target (http://www.flickr.com/photos/kamelean/7213118816/) by kamelean (http://www.flickr.com/people/kamelean/), on Flickr

I hope you enjoyed my review of the Taurus Judge Public Defender Poly. I look forward to your questions.

[weregunner]

Nice report!

Like the pics as well.
Thanks for the writeup.

[husbandofaromanian]

I own a Public Defender (Judge). When I bought it, it had a loose cylinder. I sent it to Taurus and they sent it back good-to-go. Again with a loose cylinder. I shoot the 000 Federal shell. I believe this is a serious self defense firearm with the 000 shell. Those four balls will probably not exit the targets body, making the target absorb all of the energy.

My Judge is one of my favorite firearms. I just worry about the loose cylinder. As for people telling me I made the wrong decision about what gun to buy, I get that all the time with my .223 subsonic (suppressed TC Contender pistol).

[olderguns]

anybody tried these yet.22lr adapters for the judge, I found them @ amazon while browsing there, never heard of them before,this range report and these are making me want a Judge..

[bluethunder1962]

I don't know whay every body bad mouths them I love my governor. It shoots great.
He brink why did you shoot my old girlfriend. She was a good cook.

[j1]

Following is a link to an article about the Judge and to suopsize it is not rated too high in terms of self defense.

http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot53.htm

[bluethunder1962]

You pull a gun that big on somebody they are going to crap thier pants and run anyway. Wonder how it would feel to run with crap in yur pants?

[j1]

Blue I really do not remember but heck I am old.

[mgkdrgn]

Following is a link to an article about the Judge and to suopsize it is not rated too high in terms of self defense.

http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot53.htm
ahhhh yes, these are the guys that couldn't even be bothered to buy the correct ammo (they hand cut down 3" shells to 2 1/2"), and tested a gun at 10 YARDS that is meant to be used at 10 FEET.

ya, I'll give them a lot of credence ....

[stolivar]

that is old with old style ammo. not worth much
look above on the first page i posted a link to show how accurate out past 10 yards

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_iJ34EHuQs&feature=related

[Brink]

anybody tried these yet.22lr adapters for the judge, I found them @ amazon while browsing there, never heard of them before,this range report and these are making me want a Judge..
Regarding the adapters, I wouldn't waste my money. After shooting the cylinder, you will have to eject all the adapters, then dig the 22 shells out of the adapters. Seems like an awfully lot of work for 5 shots.

[Pfletch83]

Federal got things right with the 2-1/2 inch '000' load,as I've said before it works very well in my DFG Mk-1 (.410 pump shotgun)

Looking forward to testing out the Gov. with the same load when I get my grubby hands on it.

[stolivar]

and it also loves 45acp. I can hit a pie plate size gong a 100 yards 6 out of 8 shots single action. It does have about a 2 ft drop at that range.

steve:D

[V1ROT8]

Fired some 45 Colt thru my Public Defender 2 1/2 inch yesterday. Less kick and very accurate.

[The Old Redneck]

I bought the ultra lite Judge with a 3" barrel and cylinder for 2 1/2" shells when it first came out. I bought it for snakes when mowing on a zero turn mower. It is usually loaded with AA #8 or#9 shot and is perfect. Over the years it has been used to test ammo and with other .45's and Judges. This was to see if there was anything to a lot of the bad things said about the Judges. Running 45 ammo through a Judge and Ruger across a chrony gives about the same velocities. A 4 5/8" custom Ruger and 3" Judge had less 50 fps difference. Maybe the long cylinder helps? As to accuracy out to 25 yards the Judge shoots as well as 3" barrel Charter 44's and some other short barrel guns. The issue some people have about buck shot not being effective would also apply to a lot of small caliber revolvers and semi autos in 25, 32 and 380. Yet all have been popular at different times. For those that do not like the 45/410 revolvers just don't buy one. Those of us that have and like them will continue to enjoy them. They seem to have been in demand enough for Smith and a single action company to produce them. Mine is just a snake gun, but it has a home, and is not a safe queen. I would buy another one just like it if something happened to it.

[DANO 308]

[QUOTE=husbandofaromanian;8170195]I own a Public Defender (Judge). When I bought it, it had a loose cylinder. I sent it to Taurus and they sent it back good-to-go.

My cylinder became loose too on my public defender after about 50 rounds. In fact it slid right off the front of the gun. I took it back to the retailer I got it from, they didn't even blink an eye in sending it in to Taurus, who got it back to me in about 3 weeks. Works like a charm.

[JAK696969]

I am a 46 year old woman who purchased the Poly PD for self protection while hiking. I am not new to guns and pretty efficient with hand guns, shot guns and rifles, but over the years it has become increasingly difficult racking the slide on semi automatics. It's not that I have become weaker (I don't think), but the angle has become awkward (girls are just made differently). I started to wonder if I would be able to rack effectively in a "crisis" situation.

I saw the PD poly and decided it was affordable enough to take a chance on and I have to say I LOVE it. Not the gun I would go out and play with on an afternoon (I'll use my shotgun for that), but the versatility is exactly what I hoped it would be in a handgun. It fits nicely in my waist bag. I don't really feel that it is too heavy for my pack (my water bottle weighs more than this gun loaded).

I don't think the recoil is too bad considering what you are putting through it. It is LOUD - so even if you miss, you will probably scare the crap out of anything that is coming at you. I am not a criminal, so I don't know how they think, but if someone was pointing that thing at me and fired it (even with a miss), I would have serious second thoughts about continuing my assault.

I can see where people question the effectiveness of this gun at a distance with .410 but.... shooting someone or something at 45 feet and claiming self defense just does not seem very realistic to me. At close range, I think it would be very effective.

Holding accuracy on repeated trigger pulling is tricky. But cocking the gun is easy and only takes a second. Overall, I think this gun is a perfect fit for what I am using it for. Hope I never have to test it in a real life situation, but if I do, it will be confident.

[blarby]

I don't know if you are able, but:

3 ball 00 buck, handloaded in .410, makes an excellent cartridge.

2 Ball works well too, the energy transfer to 2 balls vs 3 significantly adds in penetration.

Just some thoughts to add to the judge fun !

Keep up the great informative posting, LOVE IT !

[sixgunner455]

Looks like a bit like a pepperbox pistol with a little barrel tacked on to it.

Some of my friends have these, and everyone who has one (4/4) likes it. All of my friends who don't have them, don't like them.

Kind of an interesting observation, but I don't know if it means anything - I usually like a gun before I am willing to buy it. :D

[j1]

My views on the Judge are of little value as I have neither owned nor shot one but here is a link which is more valuable.

http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot41.htm

[spotch]

I don't think the Judge is THE BEST personal defense weapon on the planet, but it should be more than sufficient at close range. I mean if you're just certain that 3 .36" balls nailing someone in the chest and penetrating 3-8 inches won't do anything, then just carry hornady's judge-inspired 45lc round.
http://www.hornady.com/store/45-Colt-185-GR-FTX-Critical-Defense/


A fat bullet with good expansion and 350~ ft/lbs of energy out of a short barrel. Hell, that's 15-20% more energy than speer's 357mag "short barrel revolver" load, and way more energy than any 38spl +P loads out of a snub.

[Brink]

I tend not to trust the "box o truth". I don't shoot water bottles. If I have to shoot for protection, it will be a bad guy instead of a bottle. When I drop the hammer, 4 round balls are hitting the bad guy. I don't think he will get back up, no matter what.

[mgkdrgn]

My views on the Judge are of little value as I have neither owned nor shot one but here is a link which is more valuable.

http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot41.htm
ahhhh yes, these are the guys that couldn't even be bothered to buy the correct ammo (they hand cut down 3" shells to 2 1/2"), and tested a gun at 10 YARDS that is meant to be used at 10 FEET.

ya, I'll give them a lot of credence ....

[stolivar]

that link does not mean a thing. old news and out dated

[TennJed]

ahhhh yes, these are the guys that couldn't even be bothered to buy the correct ammo (they hand cut down 3" shells to 2 1/2"), and tested a gun at 10 YARDS that is meant to be used at 10 FEET.

ya, I'll give them a lot of credence ....
Wow, you would think they could spring for the right ammo

[vaeevictiss]

I don't get this heavy recoil people keep mentioning. I have the 3" judge and i could shoot the thing all day, very manageable. Imo the recoil is less than my xd40.

I will agree it is not very accurate, but it sure is fun. Plus it is a great vehicle gun. God forbid any type of car jacking or assault where the bg is at your window, it would be pretty devastating.

Only time i have 410 in it is when I'm cutting the lawn. I have come across snakes in the past.

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[TennJed]

I don't get this heavy recoil people keep mentioning. I have the 3" judge and i could shoot the thing all day, very manageable. Imo the recoil is less than my xd40.

I will agree it is not very accurate, but it sure is fun. Plus it is a great vehicle gun. God forbid any type of car jacking or assault where the bg is at your window, it would be pretty devastating.

Only time i have 410 in it is when I'm cutting the lawn. I have come across snakes in the past.

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I agree about the recoil. I have a 2" Judge PD and it is not bad at all (IMHO). It is super fun and while not the most accurate gun I own, I was suprised at it's accuracy