What guns would you rather have?


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dbrown
May 14, 2012, 07:44 PM
I want to either get a shotgun or a mosin nagant rifle with a nagant revolver. What would you rather have one gun or two?

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Warp
May 14, 2012, 07:46 PM
What guns do you already have?

What is the intended purpose of the guns in question?

What shotgun?




If I had no shotgun I would rather have that than a couple of nagants.

If I could only have one gun, it would be a Glock 26, 3rd gen.

dbrown
May 14, 2012, 07:48 PM
I dont have any guns right now.

The guns would be just for plinking/defense.

And i would be getting either a maverick 88 or mossberg 500

dubya450
May 14, 2012, 07:54 PM
The shotgun
You can do more with it. Trap/skeet, bird hunting, deer and bear hunting, home defense

Telekinesis
May 14, 2012, 08:07 PM
For plinking/defense I would definitely go with the shotgun unless you wanted to go for a more modern pistol.

The Nagant revolver is is more of a novelty than a defensive weapon. It only holds 7 rounds of ammunition which is similar in power to a .32 ACP and has availability issues, and to load it you have to place each round in the cylinder individually through a loading gate. And those rounds come out one at a time through the same loading gate with the help of a plunger. Not exactly the best idea for defensive use.

That said, the Nagant revolver is a pretty interesting piece and I'm planning on getting one as soon as I get my suppressor shows up. It is one of the few revolvers that can effectively be suppressed. And it'll cost more to thread the barrel than it will to buy the gun...:banghead:

Warp
May 14, 2012, 08:10 PM
I dont have any guns right now.

The guns would be just for plinking/defense.

And i would be getting either a maverick 88 or mossberg 500

Plinking and defense are two rather different uses.

Most people don't plink with shotguns, or mosins, but with .22s.


You said defense...what kind of defense? Where? From what?

Why are the ones listed in the OP your specific considerations?

Nushif
May 14, 2012, 08:10 PM
Since I already have a couple guns I'd easily choose the two Nagants.
For a first time gun ... the shotgun is probably the more practical choice.

dbrown
May 14, 2012, 08:13 PM
There in my consideration because there in my price range.

The gun would just be for home defense.

AethelstanAegen
May 14, 2012, 08:14 PM
I'd vote the Mosin-Nagant and the Nagant revolver but that's because I'm a sucker for history and have never been much of a shotgun guy (though they're growing on me). For what it's worth, it's impossible to get into milsurps much cheaper than those two and I really enjoy mine...I feel I got a lot of bang for my buck. I'm guessing you're on a bit of a budget just given the choices, so you might want to know that Nagant revolver isn't super cheap to shoot and you'll have to order it online (though I do recommend the Prvi Partizan ammo...very accurate and clean out of mine). The Mosin-Nagant is of course super cheap to shoot. If you can swing a little more cash for the pistol, you might want to look into a Makarov or Tokarev variant which would be cheaper to shoot and more viable as a defense handgun.

Warp
May 14, 2012, 08:15 PM
What is your price range?

Specific $ amounts. A grand total including the gun, any upgrades, accessories, ammunition, etc, what are you looking/able to spend?

Who will be using the gun?

What, if any, firearms experience do you have?

dbrown
May 14, 2012, 08:16 PM
I have been shooting firearms for around two years and i only have like 250 dollars just for the gun.

Warp
May 14, 2012, 08:18 PM
I would suggest you look into a 12 gauge pump action shotgun. Most likely a Remington 870 or a Mossberg.

happygeek
May 14, 2012, 09:59 PM
i only have like 250 dollars just for the gun.


I recently paid $200 plus shipping for everything in the picture.

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x297/fdhs_runner/Firearms/P2220438.jpg

Apparently a lot of people thought $200 for a CZ82 was a good deal because I noticed Wideners sold out a week after I ordered mine. Other sites still have them in stock for $220 though, and probably with slightly less finish wear.

IMO $200 for a modern pistol with ambi manual safety, ambi mag release, decent sights, not a bad trigger at all, that comes with two 12 round mags and a holster is a pretty good deal. As a bonus you can have it shipped right to your front door, that way you don't have to make a trip to the store and pay $25 extra for no good reason.

Telekinesis
May 14, 2012, 10:04 PM
As a bonus you can have it shipped right to your front door, that way you don't have to make a trip to the store and pay $25 extra for no good reason.

Might want to clarify that you can only do that with a type 03 FFL (C&R). The OP doesn't have any guns at all, I highly doubt he has his own FFL.

whetrock
May 14, 2012, 10:08 PM
I'd go for a shotgun of some sort and never look back. The Nagant revolvers are nifty for plinking/collecting, however pretty much useless for most practical purposes. With that being said a shotgun (with multiple barrels) should provide you an effective hunting and personal defense weapon both in one tidey package. The Nagant rifles are pretty nice given the price and fire a very potent cartridge, but lack the accuracy of more modern rifles, also they would be overkill for anything under the size of deer and would make a poor home defense weapon. With a shotgun you can harvest both small and large game and anything in between and have a very effective HD weapon.

happygeek
May 14, 2012, 10:10 PM
Might want to clarify that you can only do that with a type 03 FFL (C&R). The OP doesn't have any guns at all, I highly doubt he has his own FFL.


Good point. Go to http://www.atf.gov/forms/download/atf-f-5310-16-notice.html, fill out the two forms there, then mail to the ATF with a $30 check. The forms take about 5 minutes and it only took 1 month for my license to show up in the mail. The license paid for itself with the first firearm I bought (a M1895 Nagant revolver incidentally). The license is good for 3 years, you can always get the Nagant revolver and a Mosin with it later when you have more cash.

I wouldn't completely discount the Nagant for self defense, mines run fine and been plenty accurate with 32S&W Long hollow points. The first rule is have a gun, and I know I sure wouldn't want to take 7 rounds of 32S&W incoming. That said you'd probably be better off with a 9mm Hi Point or a CZ82.

Cosmoline
May 14, 2012, 10:10 PM
The shotgun ammo will cost you a lot more than 7.62x54R. So if you're looking to do a lot of shooting, the Mosin is the way to go.

I'd suggest you forget the Nagant 95 for now. The ammo is pricey and reloading is complex. Instead, spend the money on a spam can of 54R.

majortoo
May 14, 2012, 10:13 PM
FN has a nice pump shotgun; reasonable price, large magazine capacity, and basic sights. Useful for hunting, home defense, etc.

Manny
May 14, 2012, 10:52 PM
From those you listed, the shotgun without a doubt. Of course I'm biased, neither of the other guns would make my top 1000, probobly not even my top 10,000. A good shotgun however can handle a multitude of shooting chores and is always a terrifically usefull gun to have.

Actually though, you might be best served with a 10/22 Ruger and a couple of the 25rd BX25 mags loaded with some good CCI Velocitors or Mini-Mags for defensive use. You'd sure be able to shoot a lot more for the dollars invested.

toivo
May 14, 2012, 11:13 PM
If you want a good "starter" firearm, it's hard to beat a shotgun. It's incredibly versatile: you can use if for self-defense, clay shooting, bird hunting, and deer hunting. If you mostly just want to shoot cans and stuff, I'd say get a .22 -- the ammo is cheap enough that you can shoot all day and not worry about the expense. You can get a decent entry-level .22 rifle for $150 to $200. You can get bulk-pack .22 ammo for roughly 3 a round, so $75 will buy you 2500 rounds or so. That's a lot of plinking.

The Nagant revolver is really just a curio. They're cool but not practical. The Mosin rifle is an interesting idea as a combined defense/fun shooter, but I think you'd get tired of popping off 7.62x54R rounds a lot faster than you'd get tired of .22 rimfire. At least your shoulder would, anyway.

Warp
May 14, 2012, 11:16 PM
toivo: Where might I acquire 2,500 rounds of .22lr for $75?

hso
May 14, 2012, 11:20 PM
Shotgun

Unless you're a budding Russian gun collector.

firesky101
May 14, 2012, 11:34 PM
Warp:

You need to look around, but Miwall at my local gun show had fed champion bulk for $15.25 for 525 rounds. $76.25=2625 rounds. I bought everything they brought.

toivo
May 15, 2012, 12:04 AM
Where might I acquire 2,500 rounds of .22lr for $75?

You need to look around, but Miwall at my local gun show had fed champion bulk for $15.25 for 525 rounds. $76.25=2625 rounds. I bought everything they brought.

Yeah, I was thinking Wal-Mart, but they hiked their prices recently. Now they're getting around $20 for Federal 550-round bulk pack, so 2200 rounds for $80. But firesky101 has it right -- you can do better if you shop around. Also check the sale fliers in the Sunday paper for places like Dick's Sporting Goods or whatever you have near you.

Warp
May 15, 2012, 12:41 AM
Warp:

You need to look around, but Miwall at my local gun show had fed champion bulk for $15.25 for 525 rounds. $76.25=2625 rounds. I bought everything they brought.

I have looked around. I am looking around. I don't see a way I can buy 2,500 rounds for $75. I doubt the newb OP would be able to find it if I can't.

I have noticed that forum members, and this applies to all forums across all hobbies or interests, often make a habit of quoting unrealistically low prices to new guys. I find it to be misleading.

dbrown
May 15, 2012, 01:39 AM
At my local walmart i can get 550 rds of .22lr for about 17 dollars

Warp
May 15, 2012, 01:40 AM
That's pretty close. Close enough, I'd say. That the Federal bulk?

dbrown
May 15, 2012, 02:09 AM
yes it is.

Telekinesis
May 15, 2012, 09:46 PM
I want to either get a shotgun or a mosin nagant rifle with a nagant revolver. What would you rather have one gun or two?

I like Colt most of all, I would rather have Colt M1911A1. I think it's gorgeous.

Kinda like:


I have $250, here's option A, and B. Which should I get?

You should go with option C. And oh yeah, go find $700.

:D

dbrown
May 15, 2012, 09:56 PM
Thats exactly what i was thinking.

epijunkie67
May 16, 2012, 05:49 AM
I can totally understand wanting to buy a weapon even if you don't have a ton of money. I often try to tell people that you don't have to be rich to shoot or defend yourself. It's just that the less you have to spend the more limited your options become.

$250 is certainly a lower end price point but even there you should be able to chose from a range of shooting options. Don't think you are going to be forced to choose between a shotgun or a Mosin. Both might be good options depending on what you want to do but I would never consider either a "plinking" weapon.

I did a quick check of Buds online and here are several options for weapons that all fall into your price range. They all use current common caliber ammo so feeding them shouldn't be too painful. How about a .22 pistol for $240?
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/52/products_id/26549/Handguns/Beretta/Beretta%20U22%20Neos%206.0%2022%20LR%20Black/

Or multiple single action revolvers for <$200?
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/index.php/cPath/577/Handguns/Heritage

What about 9mm, .357, .38, or .380?
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/268/products_id/13237/Handguns/Hi-Point/Hi%20Point%208%20+%201%20Round%209MM%20Compact%20w/Black%20Finish%20/%20Hard%20Case/
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/494/products_id/60137/Handguns/Taurus/Taurus+Revolvers/Taurus%206%20Round%20Blue%20327%20Federal%20Mag%20w/2/quot;%20Barrel/Fixed%20Sights/
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/231/products_id/51680/Handguns/European+American+Armory/EAA%20770125%20Windicator%2038%20Special%202/quot;%206rd%20Alloy%20Frame%20Rubber%20G/
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/178/products_id/25381/Handguns/Bersa+Handguns/Bersa%20Thunder%20380%20.380acp%20Duo%20Tone,%207%20round/

For a rifle you could get something like a Rossi single shot combo like this that has a .22 and a 20gauge barrel for <$200.
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/385/products_id/41858/Rifles/Braztech-Rossi+Rifles/Rossi/

If you want a repeater you can buy something like a Marlin model 60 or a 10/22 for <$200 almost anywhere.

I only use the pages at Buds as an example of your options. Those are brand new weapons. With patience you could find used modern weapons well within your price range.

If you are dead set on only the Mosin or the shotgun I'd go shotgun. But I very seriously doubt you'll get the amount of use out of it that you would from the other options I have listed.

Havok7416
May 16, 2012, 07:01 AM
You can't go wrong with a pump shotgun as a first gun. Save the collecting for a later date.

hardluk1
May 16, 2012, 07:22 AM
Forget the three on your list and buy a basic savage/stevens 300 .22lr bolt rifle for right around 140 bucks. Then you can afford to shot and learnand even hunt with. You will still use that .22 many decades down the road.

22-rimfire
May 16, 2012, 11:48 AM
Just starting out.... I ALWAYS recommend a 22 rifle as the first choice. A shotgun is a very versatile firearm, but I find that I personally do not shoot them for fun. So, I lean toward rifles and handguns. I storage is an issue, then perhaps a 22 handgun to start out with. But I would be very familiar with it's operation prior to shooting it.

J_L_A
May 16, 2012, 05:27 PM
I'd pick the shotgun. I've owned the Mosin rifle and my shoulder couldn't take it. It beat me to death. :(

dbrown
May 17, 2012, 05:33 PM
I think im just going to get a ruger p95

Swing
May 17, 2012, 07:28 PM
Starting out for HD? The scattergun.

The-Reaver
May 17, 2012, 07:34 PM
Get an old Wingmaster 870

Bojangles7
May 17, 2012, 07:40 PM
I've got about a dozen rifles and a few pistols. The only firearm I own that I've never shot is my Maverick 88. I would sell it but they're so cheap I might as well keep it.

stonecutter2
May 19, 2012, 09:23 AM
There in my consideration because there in my price range.

The gun would just be for home defense.
Get a Mossberg 500. They're great for the price and you won't regret having one (though i do not like shotgun recoil - hurts my shoulder).

Personal defense should take precedence over plinking, when you think about it.

Then save for a 22 rifle like a Savage or a Ruger 10/22 for super cheap plinking fun, or buy a 9mm pistol for plinking.

S&W Sigma pistols are pretty nice, revolver-like trigger pull (long) that takes getting used to a little, but they're just around $300 to $350.

Whatever you buy, make sure it's something you can get plenty of ammo for, and practice with it - and be safe.

DcHoll
May 19, 2012, 02:52 PM
I want to either get a shotgun or a mosin nagant rifle with a nagant revolver. What would you rather have one gun or two?
Shotgun is my choice, I used to have a model 11 remington, and I sold it, and was kicking myself for years I just went to a gun show and found a model 11 receiver with the mag tube attached, and got it for $5.00 Just like a kid a christmas!! in the process
of rebuilding it with all the parts from the year it was made! or as close as possible. as far as Im concerned this is one of the finestest shotguns ever made and mine was made in 1939 and it needs no reblueing on the receiver,

MistWolf
May 19, 2012, 05:56 PM
I would not get a Mosin Nagant unless I already had something to shoot. Lots of folks love their Mosins, but they are about the most awkward rifles ever made and is not a good rifle to learn the proper handing of a bolt action. I don't have much experience with the Nagant pistols, but the one my father had was quirky, to say the least.

Shotguns are fun if you're into trap and/or skeet. Bird hunting is also quite fun. But, while not harsh with the right loads, they do have a bit of recoil.

But for a first time shooter, the best bang for the buck is to get a .22 rifle and go do a lot of shooting. Go put out a bunch of clay pigeons at various ranges and bust'em, pick out an empty soda can or water bottle and make'm dance. When that gets too easy, start doing it with empty shotgun shells or even rifle shells if you think you're up to the challenge. It's also lots of fun to hunt rabbits & squirrels with a .22 rifle.

While you're enjoying your .22 and how cheap it is to shoot, save some that money you're saving because this is your first firearm, not your last

skeeziks
May 19, 2012, 06:16 PM
The Mosin should be out of the question.... You currently do not own a firearm and you need something for home defense. The Mosin would be one of the worst choices for a weapon to defend yourself inside your home.
If I could only have 1 weapon for home defense it would be a 12-ga. pump.
Second choice: 12-ga. SxS with short bbls.

I have both...plus various handguns.

Friendly, Don't Fire!
May 19, 2012, 06:27 PM
I made a decision about fifteen years or so ago that I like the guns I have, and I refuse to sell or trade any of them so that I can end up with another one. Every time I have sold and traded guns, I have lost my shirt. EVERY SINGLE TIME.

It was this realization, and the realization that I really have all the guns I need, I can count them on my two hands, they are not exotic guns or overly-expensive guns, they are just guns that each serves its own purpose. If I need to blister a woodchuck in the farmer's field at 200 yards, then I have a gun for that. If I want to carry a pocket pistol, I have a gun and holster for that. If I want to handgun hunt big game (as in deer and black bear), I have a revolver for that.

Learning to appreciate what I have and not keep wanting more has been more of a lifestyle change for me more than anything. Being self-employed, with very little to no work in the past three years has reinforced that lifestyle in me. Most days, anymore, I don't even have a dollar bill in my pocket! Fortunately, my wife works, so when we need building materials so I can work on my house, we can at least purchase what we need. We don't get any help from "Big Brother" as I apparently have not paid in enough to get out. Go figure.:eek:

Old judge creek
May 20, 2012, 02:21 PM
Long ago I learned two things: never sell a gun or real estate.

About three years ago I realized that I had accumulated every gun I ever wanted (forget "needed") and yet, there are still some few "wunna those'd be cool to have" on my list. If I see one, I'll buy it if the mood strikes me. I don't intend the previous two sentences to be snarky, but rather a statement of what you can do over 50 years or more of active accumulating.

As for the original post, the question seems to be one from someone starting out and wondering which two shooters he should choose first.

My answer is: IMO EVERY man needs a basic battery of 5 guns. Those should be (in no particular order)

a centerfire rifle
a centerfire handgun
a rimfire rifle
a rimfire handgun
a 12 (or 20) gauge shotgun

Action types and calibers are personal choices and should depend upon a host of variables, beginning with "WHAT do you intend to actually shoot with the gun?" Robins? Rabbits? Robbers? Rhinoceros? or a herd of scimitar waving al-qaida storming down Elm Avenue?

Frankly, if I could only have two shooters, I do believe my choices would be a Mossberg 500 combo 12 ga pump with the short riot barrel and long hunting barrel with the Ventilated Rib. Big Five regularly sell this package here in California for $279.

My other choice would be (east of the Mississippi River) a S&W L Frame 357 magnum or here in the west perhaps a S&W N Frame 629 in 44 Magnum (critters are indeed bigger out here in the west). Both of these shooters should wear 4" barrels, IMO.

A good wheel gun is critical to have in your battery IMO and is more versatile than any other handgun - PERIOD!!!

Having said that, I'll add that during most of my swamp and woods, and river running in the south before I was 35, I was carrying my old reliable Ruger Blackhawk 357. I killed boar, bobcat, even a bear with it. The bear was dropped in its tracks with a single round of Lee Jurras' Super Vel (130 grain bullet at Warp Factor purty-dang-close-to-speed-of-light). I was once treed by a pack of feral dogs and fought them off with it as well. So, I can attest to the adaptability of the venerable SA revolver.

For years, I packed a S&W 3" 629 Trail Boss in the boonies. Following a close scrape in the desert about 7 years ago, I started carrying a 45 ACP. The critters that'll get'cha out there are not 4 legged. My carry piece was my full sized Kimber until I found a Glock 30 SF. Now I carry it.

And there's a 12 ga Coach Gun always close at hand. Yes, I still have my Mossberg 500, but the Coach Gun is a mite handier across the forks of my ATV.

So there ya go - one old man's opinion.

snakeman
May 20, 2012, 02:34 PM
I would get the shotgun for sure.

Snowdog
May 20, 2012, 05:50 PM
As much as I like history, I think the 1895 Nagant revolver is a horrible choice for defense.
I love my Nagant revolver, but the incredibly anemic round and terrible DA trigger pull relegates it for plinking and collection only, IMO.

A military surplus pistol such as a TT33 or the ilk (I'm quite partial to the Yugo M57) or CZ82 are good choices and you still get some historical value as well.

A used, modern handgun would probably be ideal for your budget though. For example, the last SOG catalog I received (issue 238), a police trade-in Ruger P89 is selling for $229.
With enough diligence, you might find similar deals at your local gun shop or classified ads.

22-rimfire
May 20, 2012, 07:01 PM
I've owned the Mosin rifle and my shoulder couldn't take it. It beat me to death.

And what some of the others have said. But that is just my opinion.

12 ga shotgun is the most versatile HD firearm. Remington 870 and Mossberg 500 are probably the most cost effective. You can find them in your price range.

Your choice of the P95 is okay. I am not a fan of Ruger centerfire pistols, but I love their rimfires. I find the older centerfire models "utilitarian"... about the best word I can think of about the P95 and similar Ruger offerings. But it would be a good HD firearm and very shootable to learn on at the range.

I think you would be very happy with a Glock pistol in the caliber of your choice (9mm, 40 S&W, 45ACP) and they are not extremely expensive guns; but unfortunately they don't cost $250 either. They are incredibly easy to shoot and they last.

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