1911 shoots dead on and Glocks shoot to the Left?


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Johnny Lightning
May 15, 2012, 07:18 PM
I was an indoor range today and got a chance to shoot a rental Kimber 1911 target along w/ my glock 26. I first shot my glock and was shooting consistently to the left. I then shot the kimber and was dead on. This got me thinking since I also own a G17 that consistently shot left till I moved the sights and I own a springfield loaded that I shoot dead on. Is there something I should adjust in my grip or is it just the fact that the grip is fatter on the glocks and therefore I hold it differently which forces me to shoot left?

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Old Shooter
May 15, 2012, 07:21 PM
Glocks were designed in Austria, isn't that a left-leaning country?

hentown
May 15, 2012, 07:25 PM
Common malady for new Glock shooters. Work on grip and trigger control. Don't use much finger on the trigger.

SigMic
May 15, 2012, 07:56 PM
As Hentown said, grip and trigger.

It's much easier to shoot a 1911 well than it is most other firearms, due to light, creepfree triggers and heavier weight.

hogshead
May 15, 2012, 07:58 PM
Do you shoot right handed ?

9mmepiphany
May 15, 2012, 08:00 PM
Is there something I should adjust in my grip or is it just the fact that the grip is fatter on the glocks and therefore I hold it differently which forces me to shoot left?
Hard to say until we've seen the grip you're using...but it does sound like your grip.

The 1911's shorter trigger masks a lot of flaws in technique

the duck of death
May 15, 2012, 08:31 PM
Learn how to do a trigger job. My Glocks have 2lb triggers. They DO NOT shoot to the left.;)

jfrey
May 15, 2012, 08:43 PM
Very common situation. I did the same when I got my G19. Got new set of sights on the Glock and ran a couple thousand rounds through it and things are much improved. The funny thing is: those who have limited shooting experience don't seem to have this problem very much. Those of us who have shot the 1911 for years seem to have the most problem. It's like trying to drive a tank like a Ferrari. They can get to the same place but in very different handling modes.

Ex
May 15, 2012, 09:05 PM
I pushed the sight on my G22 just a smidge. Now it goes exactly where I want it to.

G20 and G29 were fine.

Texan Scott
May 15, 2012, 09:31 PM
My G22 always shot to the right *if I wasn't careful about grip*. I have very large, but fairly thin, hands. I can wrap my fingers all the way around a glock and close the heel of my thumb over the tips of my fingers, but the inside of my palm doesn't make very solid contact with the flat right-hand side of the grip. If I grab one quickly, I tend to do just that - grab up on it. As a result, when I straighten my arm and wrist, the gun is rotated slightly in my grip. It's not a problem of the gun, it's a problem of the shooter (in my case, at least). The Hogue wrap-around rubber things help me slightly, but training through the problem is the only real, permanent solution. I sold mine last time I moved overseas, and never bothered to reaqcuire one, knowing that the grips present me with difficulty.
I'd suggest two things: a) evaluate your grip on the thing, and b) consider having a friend or two shoot it. If they don't notice it shooting to the left, it's not likely the gun, just you. If it IS the gun, THEN think about drifting the sights a bit.

xXxplosive
May 15, 2012, 09:33 PM
Much better trigger on that 1911...........glock triggers are their safety feature.....tough and tougher.

otasan56
May 15, 2012, 09:34 PM
You may have to move your rear sight to the right a little to change the point of impact.

Johnny Lightning
May 15, 2012, 09:36 PM
I shoot right handed and shoot all my guns spot on w/ out adjusting the sights except my glocks. I have a .357 revolver, .22 auto, lcp, 1911, and the 2 glocks. I think the next time i am at the indoor range i will rent an m&p 9mm and see if my accuracy improves w/ a diff. Striker fired polymer pistol.

Johnny Lightning
May 15, 2012, 09:38 PM
Do any of the aftermarket glock triggers have almost no take-up and a crisp trigger like a 1911? Prob not but i had to ask.

Andrew Wyatt
May 15, 2012, 10:14 PM
You haven't shot a 1911 enough to flinch yet.

as long as the sights are zeroed properly, almost all pistol shooting problems involve trigger control.

do the glock sights shoot dead on from a ransom rest?

The Lone Haranguer
May 15, 2012, 11:18 PM
Wrap more finger around the Glock's trigger.

mgmorden
May 15, 2012, 11:24 PM
Check the Glock from a rest, and ideally with more than one shooter. If it consistently hits left, then drift the rear sights to compensate.

If it's only shooting left freehand, or only for you, then its trigger control and/or grip. I'd personally say to get some snap caps do do dryfire practice in that case. Practice acquiring targets (I use posters on the wall) and snapping on them, taking note not to flinch or jerk the trigger. Smooth, consistent pull that doesn't disrupt the muzzle.

coalman
May 16, 2012, 01:52 PM
1911 SA triggers are more forgiving. Glocks are harder to shoot well. Pushing left is common for a righty and the reverse for lefties. Ergonomics matter, too. No way around it.

NYH1
May 16, 2012, 03:27 PM
I shoot right handed and shoot all my guns spot on w/ out adjusting the sights except my glocks. I have a .357 revolver, .22 auto, lcp, 1911, and the 2 glocks. I think the next time i am at the indoor range i will rent an m&p 9mm and see if my accuracy improves w/ a diff. Striker fired polymer pistol.
Move the rear sight to the right until it shoots where you want/need it to shoot and be done with it. I've have to make sight adjustments on most of the firearms I've owned. No biggy.

Good luck, NYH1.

Spartacus
May 16, 2012, 03:28 PM
I was hitting left with my G21. My cousin casually picked it up, shot 3 times and at 30 feet had a half dollar size group. He showed me a few things, focusing mainly on my grip. Problem solved.

777TRUTH
May 17, 2012, 05:13 AM
Forget changing your grip, finger placement on the trigger etc.

Nudge your sights to the right and enjoy shooting.

jfrey
May 17, 2012, 11:52 PM
Get a new set of sights from Dawson Precision and ditch the plastic Glock sights. You won't be sorry.

mljdeckard
May 18, 2012, 12:57 AM
The trigger on the Glock is a longer pull, you are pushing it.

Steve C
May 18, 2012, 12:52 PM
Gun alignment, proper trigger finger placement, and press the trigger directly back in line with the barrel. Trigger finger should not touch anything but the trigger. Any side pressure on the pistol by the trigger finger during the squeeze pushes shots to the left for a right handed shooter.

Creature
May 18, 2012, 01:22 PM
Learn how to do a trigger job. My Glocks have 2lb triggers. They DO NOT shoot to the left.

A 2lb trigger on a carry weapon is unsafe. You potentially open yourself up to all kinds of problems with a trigger that light. Personally, I would never consider carrying a pistol that had a trigger weight of less than 3 lbs.

Inebriated
May 18, 2012, 02:37 PM
Learn how to do a trigger job. My Glocks have 2lb triggers. They DO NOT shoot to the left.

No, changing the trigger is just a crutch for poor fundamentals.

Get a rest, and put your sights on target. Squeeze the trigger slowly, with the first cm of your finger until it breaks. It should surprise you. Do it for 5 or 10 shots. If your group is still left, it's the sights. If your group is centered, it's you.

ku4hx
May 18, 2012, 03:16 PM
Learn how to do a trigger job. My Glocks have 2lb triggers. They DO NOT shoot to the left.;)
2# trigger on a combat weapon is a recipe for disaster.

boomhower1820
May 18, 2012, 03:39 PM
Moving the sites to correct a shooter induced problem is not the solution. Learning proper technique is.


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tarosean
May 18, 2012, 04:50 PM
Let the glock meet Mr. Trashcan.

Problem solved.

CoRoMo
May 18, 2012, 04:58 PM
Forget changing your grip, finger placement on the trigger etc.

Nudge your sights to the right and enjoy shooting.
Are you saying that, rather than learning proper fundamentals, he should just mask them and continue with an incorrect technique? That is, if the issue is actually what it sounds like it might be.

cuba
May 18, 2012, 06:12 PM
Most shooters transitioning from a short crisp trigger like the 1911 will tend to squeeze their complete hand when shooting a Clock :rolleyes: with a long trigger pull, in the days gone by that was referred to as milking the grip, a right handed shooter will drop shots toward the left and a left handed shooter to the right, concentrate on a steady index finger pull and don't squeeze the grip.

Practice makes perfect

Happy shooting

Warp
May 18, 2012, 07:50 PM
Based solely on the first post...more often than not shooting left or shooting low is a problem with the shooter. Shooting left is generally poor trigger control, and it makes sense that a short and light single action trigger like a 1911 would mask that problem while a 'double action' pull like a Glock would show it.

That said if you are shooting consistent groups, even under extremely slow precision firing, you might just need to bump the rear site to the right a little bit. I have three Glocks, each of which I have plenty of rounds through, and I have extensively fired a fourth as well. I had to bump the rear sites to the right on every single one...some more than others. And not due to trigger control, trust me.

SOOO it is probably trigger control...but not necessarily.


Edit: I strongly, strongly advise against a lightened trigger, especially a 2lb trigger, for a defensive firearm. I also strong advise against lightening the trigger instead of learning how to pull it without twisting the gun off target. A stock Glock trigger should be something you are more than capable of running proficiently.

W.E.G.
May 18, 2012, 08:00 PM
I moved my sights, and I didn't have to learn to hold the gun some awkward way that some guy on the internet thinks I should learn.

777TRUTH
May 19, 2012, 08:36 AM
Are you saying that, rather than learning proper fundamentals, he should just mask them and continue with an incorrect technique? That is, if the issue is actually what it sounds like it might be.

Nope, didn't type that at all. You're reading more into my post than what I have typed.

I'm right eye doninant and shoot 1911's Sigs, XDm's, CZ's, HK's, Beretta 92's, Kahr's, Bersa's, Walther's etc. just fine.

Glocks are blocky and have a much different grip and angle than any of the above. I shoot the full size Glocks to the left with good groups, just shoot them to the left. I can't shoot baby Glocks and get consistent groups to save my life so I don't have them or shoot them.

My opinion is I can play with grip, trigger, squeeze or anything else till the cows come home and end up frustrated or I can nudge my sights and have fun. I choose to nudge the sights and have fun.

You and the OP may choose differently and that's ok.

777TRUTH
May 19, 2012, 08:39 AM
I moved my sights, and I didn't have to learn to hold the gun some awkward way that some guy on the internet thinks I should learn.

LOL, couldn't agree more

Johnny Lightning
May 19, 2012, 09:12 AM
I took my g17 to the range and shot it from a rest and my shot placement was much better. I also worked on my trigger control which helped accuracy. I am still not impressed w/ the accuracy though when compared to my 1911 which was ripping a ragged hole at 25yrds. I just started a new thread asking what mods are necessary to squeeze some more accuracy out of a glock.

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