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CarlJ
May 15, 2012, 10:48 PM
Anybody shot one? What are they about?

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mgmorden
May 15, 2012, 11:26 PM
Use the search function. Hi Points have been discussed on this and other boards to the point that there's little more that needs to be said.

Kiln
May 16, 2012, 05:16 AM
Be prepared for this to be closed. A mod excercised a "pre emptive" thread lock about Hi Points just because it might become a gun bashing thread. Hey, lets ban cars and beer because somebody might decide to drink and drive.

Hi Points are affordable and are a pretty good value for the money. I've never personally owned one but generally their reputation is pretty good, even on these forums. Some owners feel strongly about their zamak construction and as such are very vocal about their dislike for them, even though they've never tried one.

CarlJ
May 16, 2012, 07:38 AM
I just became aware that they offer a polymer auto. Interesting. I am thinking a permanent truck gun.

Inazone
May 16, 2012, 07:11 PM
I've shot a friend's Hi-Point C9 a couple of times and didn't care for the feel or trigger at all, but accuracy was as good as anything else I fired that day (numerous Beretta, S&W and CZ semi-autos) and he said that it reliably shot any ammo he fed it. While I didn't care for THAT gun, I did buy a 995TS carbine a few months ago and couldn't be happier. Ugly? Absolutely. Lots of plastic and pot metal? Sure. But it's accurate, isn't picky with ammo, and the lifetime warranty - which by all accounts is the "real deal" - makes it a virtually risk-free purchase.

Robbins290
May 16, 2012, 07:13 PM
I have a carbine and 9c. They perform 100% of the time. Tho they are like holding a brick. I mite get one in 45 some day

CountryUgly
May 16, 2012, 07:17 PM
They work and they are cheap. Not much else to say about them. I will advise you to not try and use the hi-cap mags intended for the carbine. They fit but will wreck your firing pin.....

rammerjammer
May 16, 2012, 07:52 PM
I have no experience with their pistols but I do have one of their 9mm Carbines and love it. Yup, it's ugly, but it eats up anything I feed it and is very accurate.

People will bash them all the time but when you read actual owners' reports they are generally very favorable.

So in short, they're ugly and inexpensive but they work.

smokey30725
May 16, 2012, 08:21 PM
I had a C9 that I bought new for 100 otd at a small pawnshop. Bought it on a whim because of all the negative press I heard about them. I never could get it to jam. I even tried limp wristing it and shooting it sideways (the way the cool guys on tv do) and it just kept on going. I consider them a great value for the money.

The Lone Haranguer
May 16, 2012, 08:46 PM
I never could get it to jam.
I paid six times as much for a handgun that choked on the second shot. :rolleyes:

The only Hi-Point I have "trigger time" on is a friend's older style 9mm carbine. It put all the bullets where I wanted them to go with no stoppages.

callenlee
May 16, 2012, 08:57 PM
First gun I bought was a C9 last year. As others have said, they aren't the prettiest gun (though I've seen some more renowned pistols that look similar) and do have a pretty heavy trigger. I like mine and it goes bang pretty much everytime I pull the trigger and is pretty accurate. The biggest complaint I would have (and I'm sure you'll see it from others too) is that stripping them for a good cleaning is an absolute pain in the posterior. Nevertheless, for the money and with their customer service reputation I'd say they're a pretty good value.

It's not a 1911, CZ, etc., but I plan to hang on to mine even after I upgrade to a SA/DA hammer fired 9mm.

The Lone Haranguer
May 16, 2012, 09:00 PM
What they're about is an affordable handgun for someone who needs one but only has $150-$180 (average "'street' price" in my area, depending on caliber) to spend and no more.

marv
May 17, 2012, 12:22 AM
I bought the polymer 9 out of curiosity. Well built, good shooter, accurate, no ugleir than lots of high $$ guns. My only complaint is that due to age and arthritis I find it nearly impossible to rack the slide. So..... I have a $150 safe queen.

Triplec
May 17, 2012, 12:47 AM
My first gun was a c9. Like has already been said, mine was 100% reliable which is more than I can say for a couple guns I spent much more money on. Boy was my c9 heavy and ugly =)

mcdonl
May 17, 2012, 10:59 AM
Carl, good people make them.

PRO's - Lifetime no questions asked warranty, reliable, accurate and obviously affordable.

Low magazine capacity, heavy and due to the weight of the slide probably more felt recoil than necessary for a gun of it's size and requires tools to take down so not good in competition type settings..

I have a C9 and 995TS carbine.

DeadFlies
May 17, 2012, 06:07 PM
I have C9 and I like it. Accurate and reliable. Adjustable sights, outstanding warranty and customer service, made in the USA. And it was cheap.

People complain that it is hard to disassemble for cleaning but it's just one simple roll pin. It takes about 30 seconds to get the slide off and strip it for a good cleaning. It isn't difficult but you do need some tools, like a hammer and a 3/32 punch. But that's all.

kcshooter
May 17, 2012, 06:37 PM
There's always someone that will tell you about their brother's roommate's cousin who had one and it was just nothing but junk.

But it's really tough to find someone who has owned one who will say the same.

DeadFlies
May 17, 2012, 06:51 PM
It's tough but not impossible. Of course it's not impossible to find stories of people who had problems with their Colts, Kimbers and whatever else. I think that part of the reason for Hi-Point's bad reputation is that people will spend $1000 on a gun and when it has problems they get it fixed and they're happy again.

When their $150 Hi-Point has issues I think the tendency is to get rid of it, claim "you get what you pay for" and think nothing more of it.

whetrock
May 17, 2012, 09:43 PM
I own an older HP 995 and like most others have stated they seem to be very solid carbines given the price, however the achille's heel of the platform is the lack of useable extended capacity mags, aside from that I have no quarrels with the 995. I also have some limited experience with their handguns seeing as I have put 20 or so rounds through a friends (C9) and found the pistol to have what I feel to be serviceable "minute of badguy" accuracy and very poor ergonomics. IMO their carbines are grand and the pistols are decent given the price. All in all you could do a lot worse for a 169.99.

Ash
May 17, 2012, 10:54 PM
Lifetime is nice, and it is true that Hi Point has survived as a company for a while, but there have been many owners of the design - Iberia, Haskell, Stallard, Hi Point. How long until the company changes names/ownership and the warranty goes out the window?

My Springfield P9 is not covered by Springfield, as it is a different Springfield Armory now that the previous Springfield Armory that started up with the demise of the government Springfield Armory.

Kiln
May 17, 2012, 11:23 PM
Lifetime is nice, and it is true that Hi Point has survived as a company for a while, but there have been many owners of the design - Iberia, Haskell, Stallard, Hi Point. How long until the company changes names/ownership and the warranty goes out the window?

My Springfield P9 is not covered by Springfield, as it is a different Springfield Armory now that the previous Springfield Armory that started up with the demise of the government Springfield Armory.
Hi point itself is 20 years old this year so my bet is that they're doing fine.

Ash
May 18, 2012, 07:20 AM
Ah, and how old was US Repeating Arms when it went down the tubes and Winchester was cast about? What about Marlin, Remington, or SA? Redfield? Kimber? Hopkins and Allen was one of the largest handgun manufacturers in the world at one time - died and was absorbed by Marlin almost a hundred years ago.

Pontiac has been around....eh never mind. Ditto for Mercury & Plymouth.

Lifetime warranties are so often worth the paper they are printed on. How's that Bryco warranty doing now? One lawsuit and Hi Point changes hands, washing itself of all previous liabilities, and poof, warranty is gone.

DeadFlies
May 18, 2012, 08:01 AM
Ah, and how old was US Repeating Arms when it went down the tubes and Winchester was cast about? What about Marlin, Remington, or SA? Redfield? Kimber? Hopkins and Allen was one of the largest handgun manufacturers in the world at one time - died and was absorbed by Marlin almost a hundred years ago.

Pontiac has been around....eh never mind. Ditto for Mercury & Plymouth.

Lifetime warranties are so often worth the paper they are printed on. How's that Bryco warranty doing now? One lawsuit and Hi Point changes hands, washing itself of all previous liabilities, and poof, warranty is gone.
Hi-Point still honors the warranty on Stallards, Haskells and all other iterations of the Hi-Point brand.

mcdonl
May 18, 2012, 09:25 AM
People complain that it is hard to disassemble for cleaning but it's just one simple roll pin. It takes about 30 seconds to get the slide off and strip it for a good cleaning. It isn't difficult but you do need some tools, like a hammer and a 3/32 punch. But that's all.

Thats why I said it would not be good in a competition setting. Fine for normal use though.

northark147
May 18, 2012, 09:31 AM
I have a C9, a 40 S&W, and a 995TS... Never had a single issue out of either of the pistols. The 995 has had the bolt handle (which is literally a bolt) come out a time or two and cause issues, but that is all. Takedown isnt that hard, its just one roll pin, even though i tend to use two punches to do it. One to hold the slide and one to drive the pin.

That being said I have better guns now and am probably gonna sell my HP pistols cheap to someone else who wants a gun but cant afford a nicer one.

Kiln
May 18, 2012, 10:09 AM
Ah, and how old was US Repeating Arms when it went down the tubes and Winchester was cast about? What about Marlin, Remington, or SA? Redfield? Kimber? Hopkins and Allen was one of the largest handgun manufacturers in the world at one time - died and was absorbed by Marlin almost a hundred years ago.

Pontiac has been around....eh never mind. Ditto for Mercury & Plymouth.

Lifetime warranties are so often worth the paper they are printed on. How's that Bryco warranty doing now? One lawsuit and Hi Point changes hands, washing itself of all previous liabilities, and poof, warranty is gone.
The difference is that unlike higher dollar firearms, it costs Hi Point next to nothing to build their guns because all of the materials used are extremely cheap.

Couple that with a low price that is attractive to a very large group of people but still yields a nice profit and you've got a very profitable firearms company.

I seriously doubt that Hi Point is going anywhere any time soon. They are the only gun chambered in a respectable round that you can get for $150 brand new with a lifetime warranty that is actually capable of lasting over 1,000 rounds.

tarosean
May 18, 2012, 11:03 AM
The difference is that unlike higher dollar firearms, it costs Hi Point next to nothing to build their guns because all of the materials used are extremely cheap.

Ive read that Glocks, on average cost approximately 78 bucks to produce. (either from the book or an interview with the author)

I would imagine most poly guns would cost around the same to produce. Course Glock and other large manufactures have significant overhead compared to hipoint.

ErikO
May 18, 2012, 05:17 PM
Great gun for home defense. Goes bang every time and if it gets lost in Evidence after you have to use it you're out basically the cost of a few factory magazines for just about any other handgun.

Plus, you can find them for ~$150.

If they were only a little less ugly to me...

marb4
May 18, 2012, 05:46 PM
I jumped in and bought the 995TS carbine about a month ago. Its been a great shooter and had no problems over maybe 600-700 rounds I put through it with a wide variety of ammo. If necessary, I would trust my life to it based on it performance so far. Yeah, I wish there were better hi cap mags but oh well. I know beauty is in the eye of the beholder and I think the newer stock on the carbines actually looks pretty cool. I have a decent collection of 9mm pistols and can see a C9 in that group some day just as a fun plinker.

CarlJ
May 18, 2012, 07:15 PM
Well..., I held a 45 cal at a LGS today. $199 plus tax. I have $ from the sale of a H&R 32 mag I sold that is going to go toward this gun. I want something cheap to keep in my truck under the seat, take on a boat..etc.

oldjimstallis
May 18, 2012, 08:17 PM
You can buy a cheap, beat up, tattered, abused Hi-point and send it to the factory. The warranty covers the gun for life, no matter who has owned it. It will be returned to you with all bad parts replaced (including magazines) at no charge to you! I've owned a 995TS for a year - 700 rounds of 115 gr. FMJ and about 50 rounds of JHP. Very accurate with a $30 TruGlo red dot and not one failure of any kind. Hi-point also sells accessories at good prices and free shipping.

Ash
May 18, 2012, 11:13 PM
Yeah, and the cost for shipping it back and getting it returned nearly equals the cost of the pistol. It is good that Hi Point honors Stallard and Iberia iterations of their pistol in any case.

Of course, we do get many, many very low posters defending Hi Point, a phenomena I have noticed for more than a decade. I think that Hi Points are fine, by the way, but I wouldn't ever carry one cocked and locked.

Kiln
May 18, 2012, 11:35 PM
Yeah, and the cost for shipping it back and getting it returned nearly equals the cost of the pistol. It is good that Hi Point honors Stallard and Iberia iterations of their pistol in any case.

Of course, we do get many, many very low posters defending Hi Point, a phenomena I have noticed for more than a decade. I think that Hi Points are fine, by the way, but I wouldn't ever carry one cocked and locked.
Send it back labeled as machine parts, it will cost very little this way. They will send it directly to your door after repairs are complete. Even if you overnight it the cost is still only about half what you paid for the gun.

On the point about low posters defending Hi Points, alot of people with plenty of posts admit that they're decent enough guns for the price. Try posting something bad about any popular firearm and you will get the same results, people join to voice their thoughts.

kcshooter
May 18, 2012, 11:38 PM
Of course, we do get many, many very low posters defending Hi Point, a phenomena I have noticed for more than a decadeThat's not a phenomena. It's an entry-level gun. Usually owned by entry-level shooters. If they join here, they obviously enjoy shooting and will most likely move on to better guns. Nothing wrong with any of that.

Send it back labeled as machine parts, it will cost very little this wayI'm not 100% on this, but I believe you just told people how to break the law.

Kiln
May 19, 2012, 12:51 AM
If the gun is broken I don't see a problem with labeling it as parts. I have been instructed by two firearms companies to do this for warranty work in order to get around the Fedex overnight requirement. The other cheap option is to have a friendly FFL ship it for you.

Ash
May 19, 2012, 01:35 AM
Yeah, you can get into trouble by misleadingly sending a handgun in that way. As to the number of posts, it inevitably happens that when Hi Points are discussed, a large number of very small (sometimes 1 or 2 posts) posters show up - often registered merely to comment on Hi Points, never to reply again. New posters are always welcome and I won't try to hush anyone or shoo them away.

But I suspect there is more to it that merely novice shooters.

DeadFlies
May 19, 2012, 07:39 AM
But I suspect there is more to it that merely novice shooters.

What exactly are you implying? Some kind of conspiracy? ;)

Most of my time here at THR is spent reading and learning from people with much, much more knowledge than me but I do post about relevant experiences with the few guns that I own, one of them being a Hi-Point.

Perhaps you are right, though; it is a bit more complicated. I think that novice shooters and people who simply can't afford better guns make it a point to defend their choice in firearms from what they might see as snobbery and prejudice from the gun owning community at large. People who own Hi-Points are probably people like me; that is they own a Hi-Point and not much else and don't want to be shamed for it by the big kids with nicer toys. :D

Oh, also - If you need to ship your Hi-Point back to the factory for warranty work they will usually throw in a couple of mags to help offset the cost of shipping. Good people, I tell ya.

Ash
May 19, 2012, 07:57 AM
I personally have nothing wrong with the company or the people. I'd rather be trapped with them on the Titanic than spend a weekend with Nancy Pelosi. I have way more in common with them than I have with people I have called friends in the past. Heck, I imagine Paul Jiminez, Jim Davis, or Jennings himself and I have more in common (even if I think their pistols are still junk) than I do with Rosie O.

deaconaoak3
May 19, 2012, 08:13 AM
I incorrectly put my 40S&W together( spring in wrong place) shot a couple hundred rounds through it, took it apart, pieces fell out. I took it to the dealer, He sent it in. They sent it back, fixed, told me what I did wrong, NO CHARGE. No shipping charge, no labor charge, no parts charge, NOTHING!! GREAT WARRANTY!! Great shooter by the way, very accurate, not my favorite though. I noticed the snide little remarks about hi point owners . I like my hi point and shoot it often, I shoot every gun I own. Colt 38, S&W model 10, S&W sw40ve, S&W victory 38,S&W model 59, Sig p238, Ruger gp100, Ruger sr40c, EAA .357 snub, Hi point 40, Remington 700.

mcdonl
May 19, 2012, 03:09 PM
I called the factory one day to ask about doing some screen printing for them, the owner answered the phone. It was a blizzard there that day, he told his crew to go home but he said there was nothing he would rather be doing than making guns. That meant something to me. He still has passion.

PT92
May 19, 2012, 10:26 PM
and couldn't be happier with mine when weighing/evaluating them relative to 'value for the dollar' which IMO is among the best in the industry. I started out with a C9 several years back which I picked up as an impulse buy at a huge gun-show in Missouri (that being said, I had shot the C9 before and read up on it as well so I knew for $129 what I was in for but still never thought I would actually purchase one).

Likewise I had also shot their 9mm carbine and after a few boxes of simple/cheap wallyworld ammo was quickly enamored--However, I already had a Kel-Tec Sub2000 in 9mm so I said what the heck and just bought a HP 4595TS Carbine making it my first ever .45 ACP rifle/carbine (I call it a 'poor-man's' Tommy Gun--Hey, I can dream if I want to;)).

I thought I was finished with them until I kept reading about the tank-like nature of their .45 handgun (as well as watching the indelible torture viral video) so naturally I had to pick one up to complete my Hi Point collection (not a .380 kind of guy). I must say it's my least favorite of the lot but it is what it is and that is a no-frills tank-like HUGE .45 ACP handgun.

So the OP asks the question what are they about? Fair enough. IMO, I get so excited nowadays given the sinking (or should I say stinking) economy when we can find something AFFORDABLE and RELIABLE (those two adjectives are not often found in the same sentence mind you). So as others have mentioned as well, that's what they are about;affordable, reliable and FUN!

-Cheers

jrdolall
May 19, 2012, 11:12 PM
May be the best bang for the buck that you can spend because the bucks required are so low.

Lots of gun snobs will talk about the low quality, weight, low magazine capacity, yada-yada-yada. Their cousin's best friends brother-in-law had one that blew up and killed him and his sister but every one I have personally been around, including my own truck gun, has been reliable and VERY accurate.

I have Colts, S&W, Ruger, Browning, Kel-Tec, Jennings/Bryco, Phoenix, Glock and CZ pistols. My Hi-Point C9 functions as well as any of them. It is in the truck and pretty much stays there but it gets shot EVERY time we go out to shoot. The only guns that get shot more are the 22s and ARs.

I have been shooting rifles and pistols since I was about 5 yrs old with my grandfather so I am certainly about as far from a gun noob as you will ever find. I LIKE the fact that I can buy an American made gun that is a good value. I think Hi Point could make a couple of small changes(mag capacity for one) and raise their price by $50. They would still be a good value.

My local pawn shop had a C9 that looked like the trigger guard had been chewed by a dog so I didn't want to buy it. I told a friend and he went to look at it for $79. The Pawn Shop sent it back to Hi Pont and got it repaired and then sold it to my friend for $79. Goes BANG every time.

Ash
May 19, 2012, 11:23 PM
It is not snobbery to address low magazine capacity or exceedingly heavy slide or really crappy finish or less-than-ideal cocked-and-locked arrangements.

It is perfectly legitimate.

DeadFlies
May 19, 2012, 11:44 PM
It is not snobbery to address low magazine capacity or exceedingly heavy slide or really crappy finish or less-than-ideal cocked-and-locked arrangements.

It is perfectly legitimate.
I agree. Those are perfectly legitimate arguments but it's all relative to cost. You can get hi-cap mags with good ergos and slick fit 'n finish but that is mostly aesthetic stuff. Even mag capacity is largely irrelevant when nearly all SD and HD shootings are over in 2.3 rounds. My C9 still holds enough rounds to finish three or four instances where I would have defend myself with it.

But you are right; to deny that H-Points are sorely lacking in many areas that costlier guns shine would be disingenuous.

Kiln
May 19, 2012, 11:47 PM
It is not snobbery to address low magazine capacity or exceedingly heavy slide or really crappy finish or less-than-ideal cocked-and-locked arrangements.

It is perfectly legitimate.
I don't think that was the point of the post, I think the point was that people who hate Hi Point pistols are usually fixated on negatives without looking at the positive points of the gun.

They are accurate, often reliable, have a great warranty, and are cheap enough that anyone can own one. For the reason of price alone I am glad these are out there. I own several pistols that costed over $600 but there was a time when I was glad to have a $75 Raven MP25. The C9 serves the same purpose that the Raven did for alot of people (though better because of the more powerful round) so I'm happy a working guy with a family can still find a gun for a fair price. People who have never been that broke probably won't understand and will say "save up and buy something else" but if you can't save money because you have to live paycheck to paycheck but still want a firearm to protect your home, you've got to settle for cheap and good enough.

I've been there and get it, some others will too.

There have to be some tradeoffs to build a gun at the price point HP firearms sell for but if you want a new gun with a lifetime warranty that costs $150 I don't think you can beat a Hi Point pistol.

PT92
May 20, 2012, 12:01 AM
I don't think that was the point of the post, I think the point was that people who hate Hi Point pistols are usually fixated on negatives without looking at the positive points of the gun.

They are accurate, often reliable, have a great warranty, and are cheap enough that anyone can own one. For the reason of price alone I am glad these are out there. I own several pistols that costed over $600 but there was a time when I was glad to have a $75 Raven MP25. The C9 serves the same purpose that the Raven did for alot of people (though better because of the more powerful round) so I'm happy a working guy with a family can still find a gun for a fair price. People who have never been that broke probably won't understand and will say "save up and buy something else" but if you can't save money because you have to live paycheck to paycheck but still want a firearm to protect your home, you've got to settle for cheap and good enough.

I've been there and get it, some others will too.

There have to be some tradeoffs to build a gun at the price point HP firearms sell for but if you want a new gun with a lifetime warranty that costs $150 I don't think you can beat a Hi Point pistol.

^^^^Well said in what I think sums it all up.^^^^

-Cheers

TennJed
May 20, 2012, 12:04 AM
I have considered getting one of their 9mm rifles for fun. Is
My post count still low enough to get one? If the post count gets high enough will the Hi Point suddenly fall apart?

jrdolall
May 20, 2012, 01:10 AM
Is
My post count still low enough to get one? If the post count gets high enough will the Hi Point suddenly fall apart? __________________


Once you get over 500 posts or so I think you are too advanced to own a Hi Point or at least to go out and buy one.

I really don't think the C9 is a good gun for CCW as it is just too darned bulky but if it is all you have then carry it. I have children around so I NEVER carry any gun with a round in the chamber. My kids are pretty good with guns but I feel better knowing that anyone who accidentally picks up my gun will have to rack it before they can shoot it so "cocked and locked" is not an issue for me. I know it will slow me down if I ever need it for SD but that is a chance I take.
The 9mm carbine is a blast to shoot and is also at a low price for a fun gun. I saw a couple in GA this week for below $300.

sxcamaro05
May 20, 2012, 03:46 AM
I shot a bud's in 9mm and thought it was good for the price. I ultimately waited and bought a Springfield XD9 when I had more cash. No issue with Hi Point, just I decided to wait for something I felt was better.

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