Low cost, US made 1911?


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danweasel
May 16, 2012, 01:13 PM
How's everybody doing out there?

I have found myself wanting a 1911. Never owned one, never shot one. I used to have that old black Crossman 1911-style BB gun when I was a kid though. Since this will be my first 1911 I really want to err on the side of "cheap". I am a fairly experienced pistol shooter.

This is the first gun I have been able to afford in a long time. I was considering a RIA 1911 but lately I have been thinking, I just got a raise and have a little bit of spare income that I would like to see help out someone else here in the US. "When you come up, bring everyone else with you" is something I learned in the army. I am not fanatical about it (I have shopped at Walmart before, hahaha) but at the moment I can afford to spend my money in accordance with my ethics. So yes, I would consider a foreign manufacturer as well. Bonus points for US production.

...

Anyways, I sure would appreciate some reccomendations.

Thanks!

Dan

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nathan
May 16, 2012, 01:23 PM
Colt XSE full size. Dont look back.

Greg528iT
May 16, 2012, 01:24 PM
Get the Ruger. From all accounts it's a great American made 1911.
I own 3, Springfield 1911s, a Ruger Mark 1, Mark 3 22s and a Ruger vaquero 45 colt

liberty -r- death
May 16, 2012, 01:29 PM
What is low cost to you? I only ask because it is different for everyone.

solvability
May 16, 2012, 01:31 PM
The Ruger is a good buy in the cheap category - I got one and it worked right out of the box - finish is so so and machine work is ok. The STI Trojan/Spartan are a better buy and a better gun but the frame is not made in USA.

jmr40
May 16, 2012, 01:56 PM
The Ruger looks promising, if you can find one. And the actual prices I'm seeing on the few out there ain't that much less than the others. I have no problem with the Ruger, but would just look for a good used Colt, Kimber, or S&W. I actually think the S&W is the best of the group and they aren't that much more than Ruger.

coalman
May 16, 2012, 01:57 PM
In the 1911 "cost" is relative. Nothing US-made compares to the Filipino imports and IMO the ATI is the best thing going. Otherwise, the Ruger offers good value.

Furncliff
May 16, 2012, 02:01 PM
I received the RIA Tactical from my wife as a gift while I was looking for a Colt Gold Cup. I now have a rare opportunity to buy a Cold Cup locally. I guess if I haven't bought it by now I'm not going to.

If you don't mind used consider a Colt.

But if you are erring on the side of "Cheap" the RIA Tactical is an excellent choice. I really like mine, I've had it about 4-5 years. Spend the extra money on some nice Pachmyer grips and extra Chip McCormack mags, a nice leather holster, ammo, etc..

JTQ
May 16, 2012, 02:12 PM
I like Colts, and cost I suppose is relative.

However, the Auto Ordnance 1911's are made in the US and relatively inexpensive.

Auto Ordnance
http://www.auto-ordnance.com/

M1911.org review
http://ezine.m1911.org/AO1911A1.htm

The Sixgun Journal Review
http://www.thesixgunjournal.net/auto-ordinance-1911-a-1/

StrutStopper
May 16, 2012, 02:41 PM
Ruger SR1911. Nice gun, inexpensive as far as 1911s go, and made in America.

danweasel
May 16, 2012, 02:44 PM
What is low cost to you? I only ask because it is different for everyone.

Well, I guess I am looking for the cheapest one out that isn't a pile. $500?

I am just worried I won't really use it much. I am kind of performance oriented. By that I mean, I like features like high capacity, light weight and all that. I still feel a need for a 1911 though, I just don't want to buy a really nice one and then never use it. Call it a demo unit.

I honestly did not know Ruger made a 1911.

Where I live the used gun market is very slim. And the last time I was in the pawn shop they wanted MSRP on a used gun...

Thanks for all the help so far.

tuj
May 16, 2012, 03:23 PM
STI Spartan frames are made overseas but the fit and finishing is done in TX as I understand it. I have one and its a good gun.

Double Vision
May 16, 2012, 03:24 PM
Once you have a 1911, you may find you can't wait until the next time you shoot it.
I have not fired a Ruger, but only handled one. I want one.
Whatever you decide, good luck!

PS - I enjoyed your signature quote from Behan.

wickedsprint
May 16, 2012, 03:56 PM
Cdnn has 1911s right now for 349.

mnhntr
May 16, 2012, 04:01 PM
Ruger SR1911. You will not be disappointed.

mgmorden
May 16, 2012, 04:26 PM
Well, I guess I am looking for the cheapest one out that isn't a pile. $500?

In that price range, unless you look used (and even then it'll be a chore), anything American made is already out. Even the Phillipine RIA's are hitting $400 and over now.

JTQ
May 16, 2012, 04:29 PM
STI Spartan frames are made overseas but the fit and finishing is done in TX as I understand it.
I'm pretty sure the Spartan's come to the US as complete pistols. They do use some STI parts, though.

9mmepiphany
May 16, 2012, 05:53 PM
I'm pretty sure the Spartan's come to the US as complete pistols. They do use some STI parts, though.
This is correct...STI told me at the SHOT Show.

The Spartan is manufactured and built in the P.I. They do use STI parts and STI trained the workers who assemble their guns, but it all happens before that get to out shores

TennJed
May 16, 2012, 06:09 PM
Just put a Remington R1 1911 (stainless) on layaway with Buds for $618 shipped.

100% American Made

CountryUgly
May 16, 2012, 07:07 PM
Springfield Armory Mil-Spec 500 -525 bucks all day long.... but seriously I'd buy an RIA I literally had my choice of an RIA, Springfield and a Colt. After shooting them I bought the RIA. Price was not the deciding factor either I had $930 bucks in my pocket to blow. The RIA just flat out shot the other 2. I grouped better with it and it was the only one that did not hiccup during the test fire.....Go figure...

Warp
May 16, 2012, 07:09 PM
I would go Springfield.

But I have never owned OR SHOT a 1911. True story. I have however done the research to determine what my first 1911 should be, whenever I decide to spend the money, and I settled on Springfield Armory for the best combination of reliability, consistency, and price.

So you may not care what my input is, which would be understandable.

MachIVshooter
May 16, 2012, 10:09 PM
However, the Auto Ordnance 1911's are made in the US and relatively inexpensive.

No, they're not. Armscor makes them (Phillipines)

Lowest cost US made is going to be Remington R1, Ruger & basic Kimbers, S&Ws and Colts.

rellascout
May 16, 2012, 10:21 PM
Springfield Armory Mil-Spec 500 -525 bucks all day long....

When did Brazil become part of the US? Please show me a mi-spec that it made 100% in the US. Sorry but you can't because all SA forgings come from IMBEL. Not that I care because I do not feel the need to buy exclusively US made products but NO SA 1911s meet the OPs criteria. If he is willing to look at foreign made 1911s really what is he getting from a SA Mil Spec that he would not get from a RIA?

If you want a US made gun I personally would look at a Ruger or step up to a Colt.

Girodin
May 16, 2012, 10:38 PM
I do not think you will find a US made 1911 for $500. There are number of 1911s that are worth owning for that price but none are made in the US. You'll likely need to spend around another $150 to get even a GI style gun (Remington R1).

Skylerbone
May 16, 2012, 10:39 PM
Springfield doesn't produce a single part for their firearms. Not the XDs, XDMs, 1911s, EMPs or rifles. They are all produced elsewhere, specifically Brasil for the 1911s. Some have the final assembly done here or final dimensions milled but not at the $500 price range.

Auto Ordnance is one I would love to recommend but they have forever been plagued with problems. Dimensions are off, they don't run correctly and customer service is abysmal.

Remington's R1 has a serious dimensional flaw that Big Green refuses to acknowledge. At the forward end of the frame bridge, the VIS (Vertical Impact Surface) has a large portion milled away. Because the barrel's lower lugs strike this surface (now partially missing) you can expect to see shortened barrel life from R1s to include damaged or broken lugs (meaning new barrel time). Remington has not been forthcoming about parts origin either.

Ruger seems to have taken the high road with the SR1911 and having produced frames for other vendors for decades were intimately familiar with the platform. Indications are that it is a well made example with a few common (minor) flaws with Ruger's solid CS behind it. A bit above your price suggestion but the least expensive U.S. made option I would consider.

Honestly, if you just want a decent 1911 that includes features that make it enjoyable to shoot I would suggest the STI Spartan as well. If you still prefer Made in America (South America not included) then the Ruger. The problem with buying a $400 1911 is they don't always highlight what so many find appealing and that first impression can make all the difference.

Mr.Revolverguy
May 16, 2012, 10:43 PM
Review along with Ransom Rest review on the same page

http://www.dayattherange.com/?p=1612

nathan
May 16, 2012, 10:48 PM
If you shoot less than 300 rds a year, the RIA tactical is the way to go. Forget about where its made, all of them work the same. Even the Norinco if you can find out is good to go and much sought after.
Also the Israeli company Desert Eagle 1911 is hard to beat for what it offers. If its more than $500 i d go for a Colt . If less, then a RIA Tac.

JTQ
May 16, 2012, 10:51 PM
Written by me, JTQ
However, the Auto Ordnance 1911's are made in the US and relatively inexpensive.
MachIVshooter wrote,
No, they're not. Armscor makes them (Phillipines)
I believe you are incorrect. What is your source for that information? The Auto Ordnance 1911's are from Worcester, MA.

Skylerbone wrote,
Auto Ordnance is one I would love to recommend but they have forever been plagued with problems. Dimensions are off, they don't run correctly and customer service is abysmal.

Just about every long term test I've read about an Auto Ordnance 1911 included something about the front sight coming unstaked. However, the Six Gun Journal review I linked above contradicts your assertion of the dimensions being off. If you also read the Six Gun Journal review of the Springfield GI, "Sarge" comments how far off the dimensions of the Springfield are.

rellascout
May 16, 2012, 10:58 PM
Honestly I do not understand the obsession with low end 1911s. If you are buying a gun to shoot the initial cost of the gun will pale in comparison to the cost of ammo to actually shoot it.

I mean seriously 5000 rounds of factory 45 ACP will cost you $1600 if you reload and you don't account for your start up cost that 5000 rounds will cost you $800+.

So I really do not understand wanting to pay $400 to shoot $1600+ worth of ammo? LOL

If you get out of the bottom end of 1911s and get to the $800 to $1200 range you really open up your choices and you get a lot more value for your money if you buy smart IMHO. YMMV.

Warp
May 16, 2012, 10:59 PM
rellascout: The fact is that there are tons of good, durable, reliable pistols out there for about $500. Why should a 1911 that is any good cost twice as much?

Also, for some of us $300-$700 more for the gun is a big deal. Yes, ammunition is expensive and that sucks. But just because ammo is so expensive that doesn't mean we have more money to spend on the gun. Quite the opposite, in fact. And then you have to consider the fact that the ammunition will likely be purchased over time, not all at once right now/when purchasing the gun.

And you can get 5,000 rounds of factory .45ACP for less than $1,400. ;)

rellascout
May 16, 2012, 10:59 PM
If you shoot less than 300 rds a year, the RIA tactical is the way to go. Forget about where its made, all of them work the same.

Quoted for truth.... if this is the end goal then get an RIA it is the lowest price point where the good enough to get the job done mentality, 300 rounds a year, is properly executed.

rellascout
May 16, 2012, 11:03 PM
rellascout: The fact is that there are tons of good, durable, reliable pistols out there for about $500. Why should a 1911 that is any good cost twice as much?

Because when you get the $800+ range they are not built with a Pinto mentality. They have not cut every corner they can and still have the pistol function. They do not use things like extruded slides and MIM parts built to Pinto mentality.

Again if you are shooting 300 rounds a year it does not matter. Get the cheapest thing you can find that will run. For me RIA is the best bet at that price point and expectation but then again almost anything will do and meet that criteria. IMHO YMMV

Warp
May 16, 2012, 11:04 PM
Because when you get the $800+ range they are not built with a Pinto mentality. They have not cut every corner they can and still have the pistol function. They do not use things like extruded slides and MIM parts built to Pinto mentality.


I didn't realize $500 1911s were such garbage.

Or maybe I did know, which is why I haven't bought any 1911s.

rellascout
May 16, 2012, 11:05 PM
And you can get 5,000 rounds of factory .45ACP for less than $1,400.

Shipped, delivered with tax.. Link please.

Warp
May 16, 2012, 11:06 PM
Shipped, delivered with tax.. Link please.

$1,309 + shipping. I figured $89 ought to more than cover shipping, landing you at sub $1,400.

http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/AMM5290-1.html

And yes, it shoots just fine.

JTQ
May 16, 2012, 11:08 PM
Warp wrote,
rellascout: The fact is that there are tons of good, durable, reliable pistols out there for about $500. Why should a 1911 that is any good cost twice as much?
I'm not rellascout, but I'll take a shot at this one. Most 1911's are made in the US. US labor costs are higher than those in most foreign countries. Nearly every 1911 is made of steel. Steel costs more than polymer. One comparison I like to make is between my Colt Combat Elite and my S&W 4506. Both were bought in the late '80's about a year apart and at the time cost roughly the same. S&W no longer makes their line of metal DA/SA pistols, but if they did they would cost basically the same as their 1911 equivalents. How much do new S&W N-Frame revolvers cost, $1,000? Why does the polymer M&P pistol cost $600? Because it's made of polymer.

rellascout
May 16, 2012, 11:10 PM
I didn't realize $500 1911s were such garbage.

Or maybe I did know, which is why I haven't bought any 1911s.

It is not that they are garbage it is that they are what they are. The 1911 was designed when hand labor was cheaper than machine labor. It was designed to have parts forged and then hand fitted to the pistol within a spec created by JMB.

The problem is that today machine labor is cheaper than skilled hand labor. Add to that the fact that most 1911 manufacturers treat JMB's spec as a suggestion not the blue print that it is. They stretch the spec in order to use faster cheaper manufacturing techniques to produce a 1911 like pistol. This is where they get into trouble....

No need to buy a 1911 if you are not moved by them. I also have not said that $500 1911s are garbage what I have said is that they are what they are. Nothing more nothing less.

Warp
May 16, 2012, 11:10 PM
I'm not rellascout, but I'll take a shot at this one. Most 1911's are made in the US. US labor costs are higher than those in most foreign countries. Nearly every 1911 is made of steel. Steel costs more than polymer. One comparison I like to make is between my Colt Combat Elite and my S&W 4506. Both were bought in the late '80's about a year apart and at the time cost roughly the same. S&W no longer makes their line of metal DA/SA pistols, but if they did they would cost basically the same as their 1911 equivalents. How much do new S&W N-Frame revolvers cost, $1,000? Why does the polymer M&P pistol cost $600? Because it's made of polymer.

Not sure why that revolver would cost $1,000, or how it compares to a 1911. My Ruger GP100 was $550...

The M&P isn't $600, either, last I checked. That would be a bit expensive.

rellascout
May 16, 2012, 11:11 PM
$1,309 + shipping. I figured $89 ought to more than cover shipping, landing you at sub $1,400.

http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/AMM5290-1.html

And yes, it shoots just fine.

Tula.... LOL :banghead:

Warp
May 16, 2012, 11:11 PM
rellascout: All of those comparisons to a Pinto sure make it sound like garbage. ;)

And Tula shoots just fine. Unless you are looking for brass to reload it is a great choice.

LeonCarr
May 16, 2012, 11:12 PM
I won't say it.

LeonCarr

rellascout
May 16, 2012, 11:18 PM
All of those comparisons to a Pinto sure make it sound like garbage.

You have misread what I have posted. It is not that they are Pintos it is that they are built with the Pinto mentality. The Pinto was built to hit a price point. As a result they cut corners. They knew it was defective from the start but ran the #s and determined only a certain number will fail and that to pay the lawsuits would be more cost effective.

The same is true for the lower end 1911s. They know that a certain number will fail under normal use say 10,000 rounds but at the same time they know that the majority of them will never see 2,500 rounds. So they built them to that spec and deal with the rest under warranty.

It is not that they "suck" it is that they are what they are.

JTQ
May 16, 2012, 11:20 PM
Warp wrote,
The M&P isn't $600, either, last I checked. That would be a bit expensive.
Here is the list price for the M&P 40. The M&P 45 will cost more.
http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Category4_750001_750051_757955_-1_757781_757781_image

Warp wrote,
Not sure why that revolver would cost $1,000, or how it compares to a 1911.
Because they are made of steel in the US and the S&W N-Frames are size equivalent to a 1911. $1,000 seems to be a representative price for an S&W N-Frame.

http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Category4_750001_750051_757770_-1_757767_757751_image

Warp
May 16, 2012, 11:28 PM
Here is the list price for the M&P 40. The M&P 45 will cost more.
http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/w...1_757781_image

Please don't tell me that you pay MSRP for your guns.

Here is what they actually go for:

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/71/products_id/57860/Handguns/Smith+%26+Wesson/S%26W+Pistols/Smith%20/%20Wesson%2015%20+%201%20Round%2040%20S/W/Ambidextrous%20Safety/4.25/quot;/

That's more like $450 for an M&P. Even with FFL fee you'll still be under $500, which is certainly less than $600.

rellascout
May 16, 2012, 11:32 PM
Here is what they actually go for:

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/p...ty/4.25/quot;/

That's more like $450 for an M&P

The only additional cost would be your FFL transfer fee...no tax for most people, either. Or you can get your local guy, often, to match that.

That is a 40 S&W which is lower due to its economy of scale as the primary LEO caliber which is the target market for the S&W M&P. Add about $25 to $50 to get the same thing in 45 ACP.

None of that relates to the costs of a 1911. The M&P was designed & manufactured in the modern era of plastics and cheap machine labor. It is a poor comparison and has no place in a discussion about budget 1911s. IMHO

Warp
May 16, 2012, 11:33 PM
They are not in stock ATM but their last price on an M&P45 was $506, free shipping. ;)

See, the thing is that to most people it is some kind of a comparison and is in the discussion because it is a .45 ACP caliber pistol. And it's reliable and durable, at that.

If people want to buy a 1911 just to buy a 1911 then I suppose they will (who am I kidding, they do) pay more money than what another gun that would do the same job costs. It seems there is certainly a market for that price premium.

rellascout
May 16, 2012, 11:37 PM
If people want to buy a 1911 just to buy a 1911 then I suppose they will (who am I kidding, they do) pay more money than what another gun that would do the same job costs. It seems there is certainly a market for that price premium.

Sorry but a M&P trigger even with an Apex kit is not a 1911 trigger. The trigger pull is the number one thing you are buying when you purchase a 1911. We can also have a discussion about ergonomics and shootablity of the 1911 but that would require a thread of its own. If you do not want to pay a premium for that we can understand that but your strawman arguments are weak and intellectually dishonest. IMHO

JTQ
May 16, 2012, 11:39 PM
It doesn't matter what the street price vs retail price is, it's all relative. Buds will have S&W revolvers for less, and if they had them, Colt and S&W 1911's for less than retail. You live in the plastic age and your brain is stuck on plastic prices. A large steel gun will cost more than a plastic gun. US made steel guns of similar size, from similar makers, will be of similar costs.

Warp
May 16, 2012, 11:42 PM
Sorry but a M&P trigger even with an Apex kit is not a 1911 trigger. The trigger pull is the number one thing you are buying when you purchase a 1911. If you do not want to pay a premium for that we can understand that but your strawman arguments are weak and intellectually dishonest. IMHO

Strawman? I could have missed it, but where was the requirement for a '1911 trigger' part of this?

BTW: I guess I am bias because I don't want a 1911 trigger. I don't know for what purpose these $800-$1,200 1911s are being purchased, but I buy my handguns for defensive use...and for defensive use I don't want a single action trigger. Or a manual safety.

It doesn't matter what the street price vs retail price is, it's all relative. Buds will have S&W revolvers for less, and if they had them, Colt and S&W 1911's for less than retail. You live in the plastic age and your brain is stuck on plastic prices. A large steel gun will cost more than a plastic gun. US made steel guns of similar size, from similar makers, will be of similar costs.

My GP100 sure isn't polymer, nor is my 642, and they sure as heck weren't $800-$1,200. I guess that's a revolver vs semi auto thing there?

rellascout
May 16, 2012, 11:49 PM
Strawman? I could have missed it, but where was the requirement for a '1911 trigger' part of this?

Considering the OP is asking for a US made 1911 one can assume that a 1911 trigger pull is required in order to satisfy the OPs requirements. If you do not see the obvious strawman arguments and red herring attempts to derail this thread they you are fooling yourself.

Back the OP.

If you are looking for a low round count budget 1911 shooter so you can dip your toe into the 1911 world I would go with an RIA. At that point no need to pay more.

Warp
May 16, 2012, 11:55 PM
At approximately what round count would you cut off something in the price range of the RIA? Total for the life of the gun, not including major repair work/rebuild/etc. When you say 300 per year, what are you figuring for the life of the gun?

JTQ
May 16, 2012, 11:57 PM
Warp wrote,
BTW: I guess I am bias because I don't want a 1911 trigger. I don't know for what purpose these $800-$1,200 1911s are being purchased, but I buy my handguns for defensive use...and for defensive use I don't want a single action trigger. Or a manual safety.
So I guess the question would be why are you on a thread where the OP is looking for a "Low cost, US made 1911?". The OP want's a 1911. We get that you don't. What is it you have to offer to this thread?

Warp wrote,
My GP100 sure isn't polymer, nor is my 642, and they sure as heck weren't $800-$1,200. I guess that's a revolver vs semi auto thing there?
The point is the S&W N-Frame revolvers, made of steel, and size equivalent to S&W's 1911 are priced in the same ball park as the S&W 1911's. Your GP100 is made by a different maker and the 642 is a significantly smaller gun.

Skylerbone
May 17, 2012, 12:00 AM
What's getting lost is perspective, something rellascout was on to in-so-far as honest assessment of use. And while the RIA Tactical is cheaper than an STI that STI's owner will benefit from better internals, better fit and better sights. Ditto with the Ruger and either one at less than $200 more than a Glock.

Ammo wise I load store bought cast bullets at a cost of $706/5000. I don't, however think initial cost is the issue the OP is primarily concerned with. Like so many others he has no doubt read the horror stories of troubled 1911s and their owners who got burned. The reviews of first time buyers who were no more overwhelmed than when they shot their first J-Frame. The thoughts of a $2000 pistol gathering dust in the safe is enough to give anyone pause. Some of us enjoy the 1911, others don't. It's testing the water without getting soaked.

MachIVshooter
May 17, 2012, 12:00 AM
I believe you are incorrect. What is your source for that information? The Auto Ordnance 1911's are from Worcester, MA.

The dust cover of one I looked at awhile back. It seems in checking on it that the ones made under Kahr are US built and not using phillipino parts. It also seems that quality is still spotty, though improved.

JTQ
May 17, 2012, 12:06 AM
MachIVshooter wrote,
The dust cover of one I looked at awhile back. Maybe that's changed in more recent years (this was about 2006/7). I'll search out the answer.
Take a look at the link I provided earlier.

M1911.org review
http://ezine.m1911.org/AO1911A1.htm

If you break out your magnifying glass you can see the Worcester, MA stamp on the frame of the Auto Ordnance. Kahr has owned them since about 2000 and for most of that time production has been in Mass. Prior to that they were made in New York.

Warp
May 17, 2012, 12:09 AM
Edit: Nevermind,this is way off topic, you're right about that. I'll just chalk it up to "I don't get it" and revisit it at a time when I feel the need to scratch the 1911 itch. That Smith and Wesson 1911 I just looked at does look pretty sweet.

9mmepiphany
May 17, 2012, 12:25 AM
You have misread what I have posted. It is not that they are Pintos it is that they are built with the Pinto mentality. The Pinto was built to hit a price point. As a result they cut corners. They knew it was defective from the start but ran the #s and determined only a certain number will fail and that to pay the lawsuits would be more cost effective.

The same is true for the lower end 1911s. They know that a certain number will fail under normal use say 10,000 rounds but at the same time they know that the majority of them will never see 2,500 rounds. So they built them to that spec and deal with the rest under warranty.

It is not that they "suck" it is that they are what they are.
I understood the Pinto reference immediately and it's a good example of how lower end 1911s are built...I may have to steal it to use. I feel the same way about my 1999 MB ML-350, it was built to a price point and you have to understand it going in.

My personal opinion is that a well built and equipped production 1911 is correctly priced at $2000-$2500. You can actually get a better gun from a custom smith for less

There is an unusual sweet spot for value at $1200-$1500.

Granted my view is bias toward defensive use, rather than casual use. There was a study, a while back, by a major domestic manufacturer that produced the 2500rds number of what most owners would put through their guns during their ownership.

For the OP. Your best bet, if you are determined to stay with domestic manufacture seems to be Ruger, with a nod to the Kahr built Auto-Ordance as a possible alternative...trading price for assured build quality and features. If you are willing to look overseas, the RIA is another pretty obvious choice at that end of the 1911 market

Skylerbone
May 17, 2012, 12:31 AM
Not to continue the mayhem further but the Ruger GP series is analogous to the question at hand as to what might be gained by an expanded budget in the 1911 world.

The last revolver world championships involved some 300+ competitors. Old Jerry M. took the crown (again) with his S&W but then he's paid to shoot them. Thing is, only 3 competitors used revolvers manufactured by anyone other than S&W. If they were all the same with regard to quality, longevity and feel, having only price to differentiate one from the other then surely competitors would jump at the chance for sponsorship dollars from the likes of Ruger, Taurus, Chiappa and the rest. The fact that they don't tells the rest of the story on why Smith can and does charge $1,000 for a revolver and why so many professionals holstered them for decades.

I'm not knocking Ruger's revolver line, I've got one myself but as rella stated so clearly "they are what they are". The reason for moving one notch higher is to maximize the OP's likelihood of a good first impression with the 1911, to experience the wow so many others have and to empty his wallet while he seeks a second, third and fourth 1911. Someone has to jump-start the economy, standing in parks isn't cutting it.

Warp
May 17, 2012, 12:33 AM
When it comes to "they are what they are" I went with the Ruger GP100 over a Smith not because it was $100 less but because virtually ever single person said the Ruger would do a better job standing up to full house .357 loads, especially the lighter/faster bullets.

9mmepiphany
May 17, 2012, 12:38 AM
I understand how we got there, but can we please have the revolver discussion on another thread...also on the other subforum

jacksgd
May 17, 2012, 09:17 AM
Since the Phillipines are a U.S. Territory, does that qualify as made in the U.S. to the OP?

If so then the RIA and the STI fill the bill. all around.

docnyt
May 17, 2012, 09:46 AM
Unfortunately or fortunately the Philippines never was a US territory. It actually declared independence from Spain in 1898 but this was never recognized by the US. After the Spanish-American war, the US "acquired" sovereignty and finally became officially recognized in 1946. Up until then, independence was celebrated on July 4th, same as the US. Then this was changed back to June 12th, to celebrate the original declaration in 1898.

RickMD
May 17, 2012, 09:51 AM
Since the Phillipines are a U.S. Territory, does that qualify as made in the U.S. to the OP?


The Philippines is an independent country and is not a US territory.

mgmorden
May 17, 2012, 10:10 AM
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loadedround
May 17, 2012, 10:30 AM
I too have to chime in and recommend the Ruger SR1911. I've had one for several months now and have found it to be a very well made firearm, accurate, and priced reasonably. If you don't mind a long wait or possibly get lucky, you should be able to pick one up for less than 650.00. :)

danweasel
May 17, 2012, 11:55 AM
Wow thanks for all the help, everybody.

If I had to sum it up I would say that Skylerbone knows exactly what I am trying to accomplish. I have never even shot a 1911 before and I want to make sure they are what I am looking for before I drop over $1000 bucks on one.

I think I am going to have to go with the RIA. I would consider the Ruger but I am not a huge fan of SS pistols, from a looks perspective. I can't believe they only make it in stainless. The only reason I am going RIA is that between the two that I felt meet my "demo unit" price point (the other being the Spartan) the Rock Island is cheaper...

They actually have 2 RIA 1911s at my LGS for $409 each.

You guys are awesome!

huntsman
May 17, 2012, 12:05 PM
There is an unusual sweet spot for value at $1200-$1500.

how about naming some names, maybe we can get the OP to spend more ;)

and for my sake any without MIM and plastic?

9mmepiphany
May 17, 2012, 12:35 PM
how about naming some names, maybe we can get the OP to spend more ;)

and for my sake any without MIM and plastic?
I don't think the OP is that interested, his concerns and interest have clearly been met by explanation of the levels of 1911 function already laid out...I think the RIA line is a good place to test the 1911 waters.

I don't track MIM or plastic content in 1911s, or any other guns for that matter, because almost everything is easily replaceable on that platform...it is simply a matter of desire and pocketbook. I'll note that you have to get up to about the $4000 level to have no cast parts in your 1911...as it comes from a manufacturer.

The two 1911s that I usually recognize in the sweet spot, I'm sure there are more, are the Dan Wesson CBOB and the STI Trojan...both offer a lot for their going price

rellascout
May 17, 2012, 07:45 PM
how about naming some names, maybe we can get the OP to spend more

and for my sake any without MIM and plastic?

Dan Wesson Heritage fits the bill but you are looking at $1200+. You can also find Stainless Valors at about $1500. I also like base Colts with customization which can be done for under $1500. Used Les Baers are also in play I paid about that for my TRS LNIB.

sleepyone
May 19, 2012, 03:25 PM
+1 on the Full-size Colt XSE. I just bought one for $978 all-in. Gun was $913. S/H $30 and FFL $35 so you might save a little more if you can find a cheaper FFL. Ours are expensive.

I applaud you on your decision to buy only USA made by a USA owned company. I have that same conviction and don't feel I am missing out when I can buy from Winchester, Smith and Wesson, Ruger, Colt, Remington, Marlin, Dan Wesson and a myriad of high end manufacturers like Les Baer, Ed Brown, Wilson Combat, Desert Eagle, etc.

Anyway, you could do much worse than a Ruger for your first 1911. I just always wanted a Colt, so I spent the extra $200 to get it over the Ruger. I have not regretted it.

9mmepiphany
May 19, 2012, 05:44 PM
I applaud you on your decision to buy only USA made by a USA owned company.
Did you even read they thread?

Just four (4) post above yours, the OP explains his final choice

tarakian
May 19, 2012, 06:26 PM
Para Ordnance GI Expert is US made and around $500.

sleepyone
May 20, 2012, 04:04 AM
Did you even read they thread?

Yes, I did as a matter of fact. I caught the post to which you are referencing after I posted my reply and then had to deal with a family issue about the same time and never got around to editing it.

Do you proof read your posts?:neener:

9mmepiphany
May 20, 2012, 02:16 PM
Hardly ever...:neener:...but members are usually pretty good about pointing out my mistakes ;)

coalman
May 20, 2012, 03:00 PM
Wow thanks for all the help, everybody.

If I had to sum it up I would say that Skylerbone knows exactly what I am trying to accomplish. I have never even shot a 1911 before and I want to make sure they are what I am looking for before I drop over $1000 bucks on one.

I think I am going to have to go with the RIA. I would consider the Ruger but I am not a huge fan of SS pistols, from a looks perspective. I can't believe they only make it in stainless. The only reason I am going RIA is that between the two that I felt meet my "demo unit" price point (the other being the Spartan) the Rock Island is cheaper...

They actually have 2 RIA 1911s at my LGS for $409 each.

You guys are awesome!

Good choice. The Filipino brands are offering the best value at this time. I'd prefer to buy American, but nothing all American comes close in value for a quality value 1911. Unfortunately, it's the same in many things, but that's another discussion alltogether.

9mmepiphany
May 20, 2012, 04:04 PM
This seems like a good time to close this thread as the OP has gotten the information he asked for and has made his choice

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