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Mrcymstr
May 16, 2012, 11:05 PM
Everyone know the feeling of money getting tight and not one to take handouts I opt to sell, pawn, or find extra work. In this particular instance I chose to pawn my new never fired range toy gsg 1911-22. No biggie pick it up in a month pay the ridiculous fees (including paying and going through the NCIS again since my CHP doesn't matter in TN) and be on my way.

I was in a hurry when I went to pick it up so I didn't get to examine it as closely as I'd liked. Got home and looked a little closer. Rust on the hammer :spitfire: I was fuming but let it go since it was purely cosmetic. A couple of days go by and I'm playing with my dollar store LED I've repurposed as a bore light and I see a strange looking spot about 1 inch back from the muzzle that I hadn't noticed due to the position. On closer inspection it was more rust in the never fired barrel that I had cleaned and oiled well since it was being put up.... I'm so irritated I can't even grasp it. I don't think I'll ever do business with them ever again even though they do have really nice prices...

Am I going overboard and has anything like this ever happened to anyone else?

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musicman10_1
May 16, 2012, 11:11 PM
"new never fired range toy" does not seem to work for me. Clean the barrel and get that baby to the range!!

I'm sorry that this happened to you. I guess that some lessons are harder to learn than others but I think that you need to either not pawn your valued possessions or check it out more carefully when you get it out of pawn.

I hope that you can get your gun back to a condition that is satisfactory.

19-3Ben
May 16, 2012, 11:15 PM
Are you sure the barrel was completely rust free when you pawned it?
Is there any way that it could have had that spot when you gave it to the pawn shop?

Mrcymstr
May 16, 2012, 11:16 PM
Yeah I got it knocked down clean enough.... I guess... and have since sent a bit of lead down range (great fun too!) Its certainly no prized possession but I just find it poor business to allow that to happen to someone else's property... ugh next time I take my bore light and money will not change hands until a field strip minimum....

303tom
May 16, 2012, 11:17 PM
Nope, ain`t never pawned a gun............Bought pawned guns before.

kcshooter
May 16, 2012, 11:18 PM
My S&W Gunsite sat in police lockup for about 6mo until the case cleared, and had some lite rust on the barrel, but it cleaned off easily and I didn't sweat it. Surface rust can usually be gotten rid of without much issue as long as it isn't heavy enough to pit. I think "disaster" might be a bit of an overreaction.

Mrcymstr
May 16, 2012, 11:21 PM
19-3 - its not entirely impossible but I had bought it only about 2 weeks prior brand new and went over it with a fine tooth comb to clean all the nasty packing grease out... (it was worse than some milsurps Cosmo...) but I know for certain that the rust on the hammer was not there I certainly would have noticed that.

RoboDuck
May 16, 2012, 11:22 PM
Another reason I never pawn anything.

Hoppes Love Potion
May 17, 2012, 12:05 AM
Knock the rust off it by shooting it.

Agsalaska
May 17, 2012, 12:12 AM
When I first got out of college I used pawn shops a lot. Big city, bad habits and small salary made money run dry for a while. Dont know what I would have done without the pawn shop I used. They helped me a ton.

That being said I only pawned my gun once. I couldnt believe I had to do a background check to pick it up. After that it was my TV. After all the bar has a TV.

Hard to imagine how the storage conditions could cause that in a month but an AC blowing on it or a damp area near the storage could probably do it. If the pawn shop owner is a decent guy he would probably like to know about it.

545days
May 17, 2012, 12:16 AM
Perhaps that "nasty packing grease" you cleaned off was all that stood between pristine steel and the rust you saw a couple of weeks later?

EDIT: Don't take my comment as too negative. I am merely commenting that there are places where a layer of nasty grease on a gun is a good thing, and sitting in storage (like a pawn shop) is one of them.

ApacheCoTodd
May 17, 2012, 12:23 AM
So what is it you're gettin' at... That they shot the gun or they - for whatever reason - caused your oil to be removed?

As far as pawning, I get it. I did it a couple times in the Army if things got tight but always made sure to only use my Stainless Gold Cup to ensure that I got it back as soon as possible.

Mrcymstr
May 17, 2012, 01:05 AM
I'm not getting at anything actually. Its probably my own fault in some way, shape, or form. It just baffles me how it could have happened so quickly unless the storage conditions were horrendous.

I've come to the same conclusion it appears most of you all have. Im overreacting, I screwed up at multiple points, and paid for my lack of diligence. So be it, lesson learned.

ApacheCoTodd
May 17, 2012, 01:18 AM
OK, I get it. It's more an issue of possible being stored in a rust prone environment. Had too really be bad since you oiled 'er up before going in.

medalguy
May 17, 2012, 02:32 AM
Even if you had looked at the gun carfefully when you picked it up, how would you have proven to the shop that the damage happened in their custody? I don't think you could have won this one any way you cut it.

OARNGESI
May 17, 2012, 04:21 AM
have you tried to contact gsg? they may cover it

Walkalong
May 17, 2012, 08:29 AM
1. You should have cleaned and oiled it to protect it while "stored".

2. You should have inspected it more closely when picking it up.


I seriously doubt the pawnshop will do anything for you, and not sure they should, unless they tossed it in a puddle or something, which you could never prove, any more than you could prove you dropped the gun off in pristine condition in the first place.

Lesson learned. Chalk it up to experience.

kimbernut
May 17, 2012, 09:00 AM
I have never pawned a gun but I have looked at and handled many guns in pawn shops. I have even seen a handgun passed down the counter to four different guys to look at it. When it was returned to the case it received no wipe-down at all - just right back into the case. We all know better. Greasy fingerprints and sweat are a gun's worst nightmare. Most pawn shop employees I have met do not know or do not care.
I once rescued a Winchester model 70 stainless classic in 30-06 from a pawn shop. By the employees admission it had been knocked over several times with a stack of rifles in a corner. The gouges and dents in the stock and forearm were the worst I had ever seen. After many hours the walnut looks good again. It now resides in my son's safe and gets a good cleaning and wipe down after each hunting or range trip.

Prince Yamato
May 17, 2012, 11:52 AM
I think the one and only time I went to a pawn shop to look at guns, they were all in poor condition and rusted through (what I assume) is neglect by the shop.

theicemanmpls
May 17, 2012, 12:00 PM
Not a fan of pawn shops.

kcshooter
May 17, 2012, 12:11 PM
I kinda am. I've found a couple very good deals at a pawn shop locally. Of course, I've also seen overpriced junk there.

Agsalaska
May 17, 2012, 02:56 PM
Not a fan of Pawn SHops? Your missing out.

I guess it actually depends on where you live. Some places they are the best places to shops for just about anything. Others, maybe not so much.

stchman
May 17, 2012, 04:38 PM
Wait a sec!!!

If you pawn your firearm in Tennessee, when you pay your loan off you have to fill out a 4473?

Mrcymstr
May 17, 2012, 04:50 PM
Wait a sec!!!

If you pawn your firearm in Tennessee, when you pay your loan off you have to fill out a 4473?

Yes and unlike other states even having an HCP doesn't help.... :(

single stack
May 17, 2012, 04:55 PM
Of course!

He transfered the firearm to the pawnbroker and
the pawnbroker transfered it back.

floydster
May 17, 2012, 06:17 PM
It's your fault, not the shops, the gun should have been prepped for storage, live with it.

Owen Sparks
May 17, 2012, 07:06 PM
Sounds like it was stored in non-climate controled enviroment. When metal gets cold overnight and warms too fast in the morning it will sweat like an iced tea glass. This is why you should not put a gun safe in a garage or storage building if you live in a humid climate like the South.

CajunBass
May 17, 2012, 07:40 PM
You expected a pawn shop to take better care of it than they do the rest of the stuff you see thrown around the store?

NOLAEMT
May 18, 2012, 02:46 AM
pawn shop and disaster are two words I feel like often are found together...

mljdeckard
May 18, 2012, 02:50 AM
I will never pawn a gun again. What they will loan/pay is never worth it.

arizona98tj
May 19, 2012, 01:03 PM
I have even seen a handgun passed down the counter to four different guys to look at it. When it was returned to the case it received no wipe-down at all - just right back into the case. We all know better. Greasy fingerprints and sweat are a gun's worst nightmare. Most pawn shop employees I have met do not know or do not care.

I've observed the sales people in gun shops and big box stores for many years and have yet to see one of them wipe down a firearm after a customer handles it. It either goes back in the case or back up onto the rack. You make it sound as though it is all about the incompetent pawn shop employees. I don't see how it is restricted to just them.

jj1962hemi
May 19, 2012, 01:12 PM
I bought a near-mint S&W Model 25(1955) at an auction and crossed my fingers that the idiot handler (an LGS employee) didn't show mine. Each revolver he showed (including VG+ vintage S&W 1917s), he opened the cylinder, spun it, then snapped it shut with his wrist. They're everywhere.....

David E
May 19, 2012, 01:24 PM
Wait a sec!!!

If you pawn your firearm in Tennessee, when you pay your loan off you have to fill out a 4473?

Yes, as it's no longer your gun. You actually sold it to the pawnshop when you took their "loan." They simply agreed to resell it to you at a later date, (at a higher price) so federal and state laws must be followed.

DammitBoy
May 19, 2012, 01:43 PM
I don't want to be a jerk, but pawning makes horrible economic sense and might be indicative of why money is tight when you own new unfired firearms.

I won't ever pawn anything.

Mrcymstr
May 19, 2012, 01:56 PM
I don't want to be a jerk, but pawning makes horrible economic sense and might be indicative of why money is tight when you own new unfired firearms.

I won't ever pawn anything.

While you are correct and I'm fully aware of that fact there are obviously details that you are not privy to due to this not being the venue for those details to be discussed. If you'd be so kind as to not assume I'm a moron who can't manage finances and instead stick to the subject at hand that'd be preferential.

krinko
May 19, 2012, 02:31 PM
The best gun shop in Omaha just happens to be a pawn shop, where the firearms department is run by a genuine bullethead---so there is an element of care that might be missing in a regular pawn shop setting.
Their secure storage for firearms is in the basement and while there is heat in the winter and cool air in the summer, I would not class the environment as strictly climate controlled, even though they have dehumidifiers set to run when the humidity down there gets a little too thick.
So as it stands, it is still possible for rust to start on an unattended item in that lockup---like that growing on the Browning 1886 I bought last month.
Nobody at the shop has time to scan the pawned collection every day, the way I check my stuff---and even with a daily scan, I have caught rust starting in my vault, in secret little places.

I think a Pawn Shop Disaster would involve getting the pistol back with signs it had been used to drive nails, or maybe as a shoebox full of parts.
-----krinko

Claude Clay
May 19, 2012, 02:35 PM
regarding topics and comments--would that i could say it completely and rightly; taking into account all perspectives and possibilities and get it spot on the first time i type. sadly, i was not granted a forth wish.

------been in may pawn shops, never bought or sold anything.
been jacked up in other ways though. life happens--live & learn

zoom6zoom
May 19, 2012, 08:30 PM
I have never pawned a gun but I have looked at and handled many guns in pawn shops. I have even seen a handgun passed down the counter to four different guys to look at it. When it was returned to the case it received no wipe-down at all - just right back into the case. We all know better. Greasy fingerprints and sweat are a gun's worst nightmare. Most pawn shop employees I have met do not know or do not care.

Perhaps. But while the gun is still within its redemption period, it should not be accessible to customers or on display.

TennJed
May 19, 2012, 11:50 PM
My favorite place in town for used guns is a pawn shop (by far). Off the top of my head here are some of the deals I have gotten in the last couple years. All the guns were in very good condition and price is out the door.

Ruger Single Six (stainless) 22.lr for $225
Ruger Blackhawk (blued) 357 mag / 9mm convertible $335
Ruger Blackhawk 357mag (stainless) $385
Makarov 380acp $199
NAA mini revolver .22lr $99

Good for me, but makes me wonder what he gave the other guy for them

bbuddtec
May 20, 2012, 12:10 AM
My 2cents, but anywhere I've been, retail etc. I've never seen a wipedown performed after handling... and I see you already get it,

pawn=not your safe queen anymore.

Bigguy49
May 20, 2012, 12:42 AM
from my point of view ,I have and still do prowl pawn shops and have picked up a few choice pieces two of them now sit in my air rifle case ,a Remington springer and the other a Benji pump ,the others include a S&W 686 that I will never part with ,it's too good of a shooter ,one man's situation can become anothers gain

shiftyer1
May 20, 2012, 01:08 AM
I am a pawnbroker and have been for 12 years or so now. In every shop i've worked in, your gun is stored in the manner it's brought in. When you bring it in i'll point out knicks and dings, and note them on the ticket. I'll also note rust if I see it.

If your pawning your gun....OIL the hell out of it BEFORE you pawn it!!!!!!!!!! Yes I know you'll be back in two weeks to get it but........sometimes it doesn't work out that way.

I ain't gonna beat your guns up but if you didn't prepare them for storage......I really can't help you. I keep oil and cleaning suppies at the shop.....if you didn't do it at home.....ask i'll give you the stuff to do it at the counter.

You should have prepared them......they should have told you how they store them......and the requirements and paperwork to pick them back up.

TennJed
May 20, 2012, 01:18 AM
I am a pawnbroker and have been for 12 years or so now. In every shop i've worked in, your gun is stored in the manner it's brought in. When you bring it in i'll point out knicks and dings, and note them on the ticket. I'll also note rust if I see it.

If your pawning your gun....OIL the hell out of it BEFORE you pawn it!!!!!!!!!! Yes I know you'll be back in two weeks to get it but........sometimes it doesn't work out that way.

I ain't gonna beat your guns up but if you didn't prepare them for storage......I really can't help you. I keep oil and cleaning suppies at the shop.....if you didn't do it at home.....ask i'll give you the stuff to do it at the counter.

You should have prepared them......they should have told you how they store them......and the requirements and paperwork to pick them back up.
As a pawnbroker would it not be benifical for you to clean and oil them yourself? I assume a large percentage of them end up as your inventory to sell

shiftyer1
May 20, 2012, 01:26 AM
Yes it would, but I really don't have the time to do each and every one. I have several customers who ask to inspect their items when they come in to extend them every month, doesn't bother me a bit, if they want to oil them be my guest.

Today I loaned on 7 guns, I also dealt with other customers with other things. Just ain't got time.

TennJed
May 20, 2012, 01:58 AM
Yes it would, but I really don't have the time to do each and every one. I have several customers who ask to inspect their items when they come in to extend them every month, doesn't bother me a bit, if they want to oil them be my guest.

Today I loaned on 7 guns, I also dealt with other customers with other things. Just ain't got time.
I understand that. Time is hard to come by in all professions. As I said before I love pawnshops and feel they get a bad rap. The one I mentioned earlier has been very fair to me. I have never pawned anything but have traded a few guns with them. They have always offered more than the traditional gun shops in town and typically give me close to what I would sell them face to face in trade value.

Double Naught Spy
May 20, 2012, 11:23 AM
It's your fault, not the shops, the gun should have been prepped for storage, live with it.

That is an awfully heavy handy comment to the OP and maybe not actually factually correct. The care of the pawned items are the responisibility of the pawnbroker under the Tennessee Consumer Protection Act of 1977. It may be that restitution could or could have been sought for the rusted gun. Yes, it should have been prepped for storage.

shiftyer1 noted that it is not practical for the pawnbroker to go in an oil people's guns. He is correct. Texas pawn laws do indicate that the pawnbroker is responsible for the care of the goods as well. If a gun rusts up when in a pawnbroker's care, the owner of the gun can seek restitution for the item. Generally, this is impractical, however, because nobody ever has proof of anything. We have even had customers complain that we broke something of theirs when the breakage was already noted on the pawn ticket. Customers can be screwy.

If you think about it, do you really want the pawnbroker finger your goodies while they are in his care, or should they just be left alone? There is less chance for something to go wrong if they aren't being handled.

langenc
May 21, 2012, 12:20 AM
RIG would have prevented the rust. Oiling guns just causes a mess on stock of handguns and esp long guns. Ever see a longgun wher the 2-3" of the stock immediately to the rear of the action is black? That is the wood sturated w/ oil that has run down the barrel and into the stock. It will never run back out.

jhco50
May 21, 2012, 02:12 AM
Being as you are in a humid climate, don't oil it. Polish it inside and out with auto polish and your rust problem will be gone.

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