Need help with Hornady 150g FMJBT powder range for Garand...


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UKWildcatFan
May 20, 2012, 04:10 PM
Ok folks, sorry, but I don't have the Hornady manual and I've been told that it includes a "service weapon" section for some calibers, including the 30-06. I'm going to use IMR-4895, which I've been told is "the" powder for the Garand. Would someone with the Hornady manual please bail me out here and provide the range for this powder/bullet combo, as well as fsp range? I'd really appreciate it as Dad and I are going out Tuesday and he hasn't shot a Garand since '62.

Thanks,
Alex

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1KPerDay
May 20, 2012, 04:47 PM
Don't have the manual in front of me but 47 grains of 4895 and a 147 grain pill is pretty much the standard Garand load. Don't go over 48 and you should be fine imo. I'd personally stick at 47.

Captaingyro
May 20, 2012, 05:17 PM
In their section specifically for the Garand, for a 150g FMJ-BT and H4895, Hornady gives a load range of 43.2 grains (2400 fps) to 46.4 grains (2600 fps). COL is 3.185.

The 47 grain suggestion by 1KPerDay is for the heavier 168g bullets (47.1g max according to Hornady).

UKWildcatFan
May 20, 2012, 08:13 PM
Thank you very much. I really appreciate it.

mustanger98
May 20, 2012, 09:40 PM
There's another thread here where we were talking about 46-47.5grs of IMR4895. I've running 46grs and it did nicely. Like somebody else said about a starting/low-end load, no sense beating up a 70 year old rifle. It was pretty easy on my shoulder too.

1KPerDay
May 20, 2012, 10:08 PM
In their section specifically for the Garand, for a 150g FMJ-BT and H4895, Hornady gives a load range of 43.2 grains (2400 fps) to 46.4 grains (2600 fps). COL is 3.185.

The 47 grain suggestion by 1KPerDay is for the heavier 168g bullets (47.1g max according to Hornady).
Wow... the lawyers must have gotten to them. 43 grains?? I wonder if that would even cycle reliably. Furthermore, why would a heavier bullet be a higher max charge??

rg1
May 20, 2012, 10:23 PM
Note that Hornady didn't test 150 Hornady FMJ's with IMR 4895 but with Hodgdon H4895. They are close in burn rate but not exact. Hornady 8th Edition in the Garand section did test with H335, AA2495, AA2520, Viht. N-135, Reloder RL 12, Varget, and Hodgdon H 4895. Top velocity with any powder was listed at 2750 fps with 2 powders, 2700 fps with one, and the rest at 2600 fps. Top velocity listed with H 4895 was 2600 fps.

YankeeFlyr
May 21, 2012, 01:11 AM
Yeah, H4895 and IMR 4895 are NOT of the same characteristics.

The "official" NRA load suggestions for IMR 4895/150 grain class bullets is 49 grains of powder. (Specifically for the M1.)

I use 48.5 grains in Win commercial cases with a 150 grain Hornady SST crimped in, with a CCI #34 primer. I'm chronying almost 2750 fps at maybe 12-15 feet from the muzzle.

ArchAngelCD
May 21, 2012, 03:14 AM
In their section specifically for the Garand, for a 150g FMJ-BT and H4895, Hornady gives a load range of 43.2 grains (2400 fps) to 46.4 grains (2600 fps). COL is 3.185.
Thank you very much. I really appreciate it.
NOTE... You asked about IMR4895 and the data supplied by Captaingyro is for H4895. Both powders are extremely similar but not identical so the charge weights are also slightly different but not interchangeable.

I use H4895 instead of IMR4985 because the pressures generated by H4895 are slightly lower for the same velocities. (but again, only slightly)

UKWildcatFan
May 21, 2012, 06:27 PM
ArchAngelCD, what are you measuring at the top of the neck for your crimp?

ArchAngelCD
May 22, 2012, 12:57 AM
I know you are going to think it's strange but I never did measure the crimp. I just add a "normal" Factory Crimp and that's it. Factory Crimp dies add a different type of crimp than a taper crimp die would so I didn't see the need to measure anything. (sorry)

Steve in PA
May 22, 2012, 11:04 PM
47.0gr of IMR-4895 and 150gr FMJ bullets with no crimp, other than neck tension is what I use for my M1 Garand.

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