Carbine gunsmithing, gang-banger style...


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Preacherman
February 18, 2004, 10:43 PM
Dropped in at my favorite gunstore this afternoon. Went and got myself a cup of coffee from the urn, moved over to the counter, took a stool, and commenced batting the breeze with the owner/gunsmith and some of the usual suspects. If you want to hear high-level gun conversation (interspersed with social commentary, political debate, and several off-the-wall jokes) between a gunshop owner, a police captain, a Catholic priest, a Presbyterian pastor, a butcher, a retired Marine NCO, and several other "old faithful", this is a great gunshop to visit! :D

The owner brought out a Hi-Point 9mm. carbine to show us. All of us have owned and/or shot these guns, and like them very much as low-cost, accurate, reliable weapons. This one looked a bit strange - the pistol grip looked as if it had been hammered, drilled, folded, spindled and mutilated. Curious, we demanded an explanation.

It seems George the gang-banger had "bought this carbine from a friend" (and the owner is running the serial number through our friend the captain, just to be sure... :rolleyes: ). Anyway, George wasn't happy that the magazine only held nine or ten rounds: his boyz in the hood were making fun of him, 'cause their guns held more. So, George somehow got his hands on a 20-round 1911 magazine - for .45's, of course (never mind that the Hi-Point is a 9mm. carbine). George decided that this is just what he needed to impress his buddies, and sets out to make the magazine fit into the gun.

First, he bashed on the magazine, all around, to make it smaller. From the looks of it, he used a hammer, and probably his boots as well. Then, he removed the follower, and replaced it with the 9mm. follower from his original Hi-Point magazine. Finally, he inserted the magazine into the pistol grip. Needless to say, it didn't fit very well... so he took a hammer and made it fit, all the way up the pistol grip. He aided this effort by using a drill (with a cutting wheel and various drill bits) on the handle. He eventually made it fit so well that it broke through the top of the pistol grip and thoroughly jammed up the bolt and slide of the carbine. (It also cracked the pistol grip wide open, thank you very much...)

Having got this far, George discovered that he couldn't move the bolt, work the trigger, or fire the carbine. At about this point, he decided that he needed some professional help, and brought the carbine in to the gunshop with a demand that it be fixed - UNDER WARRANTY, BECAUSE IT WAS CLEARLY DEFECTIVE!!!

I can't repeat the rest of the gunshop conversation, as it was scatological, anatomically specific, and graphic - let's just say it concerned the gang-banger's ancestry, current worth and future prospects, in exhaustive detail. There were also a fair number of suggestions as to how the carbine could be better fitted to its owner - also anatomically specific... :D

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Sven
February 18, 2004, 10:51 PM
Sounds like another Bubba in training...

Tamara
February 18, 2004, 10:59 PM
I've seen some 1911's this guy has reblued, I think... :uhoh:

Redlg155
February 18, 2004, 11:01 PM
Send it to Century Arms.

They need more prototypes for "new" guns.

Good Shooting
Red

litman252
February 18, 2004, 11:02 PM
Thank God he is as good a gunsmith as a shot.............
Nobody will get shot by that one................
Damn kids.......................

I'm off my 23 year old soap box:uhoh:


Tony

tc300mag1
February 18, 2004, 11:09 PM
That is way to funny i want to see a pic

hansolo
February 18, 2004, 11:15 PM
Soon to be Darwinated:evil:

Gewehr98
February 18, 2004, 11:26 PM
And mold another replacement Hi-Point? ;)

P95Carry
February 18, 2004, 11:28 PM
ROTFLMAO!!! :D

Hey Preacher ... PLEASE ... go get a pic .. this I must see!! Hillarious!

444
February 18, 2004, 11:31 PM
Hi-Point will probably fix it or replace it.

mgjohn
February 18, 2004, 11:41 PM
Once saw a Remington 700 that someone had spot welded a set of weaver bases on because they could not find any screws. The blue was baddly discolored and the wood was burnt. The things some people do to good guns.

QuarterBoreGunner
February 18, 2004, 11:51 PM
Hey Preacher ... PLEASE ... go get a pic .. this I must see!! Hillarious!
ABSOLUTELY!!!! This BEGS! for a picture.

gunsmith
February 19, 2004, 02:08 AM
bangers at the gun store /range.

I guess there is hope that a person could change.
I saw some at my local range once one guy had to be told to stop shooting
cause he couldn't help hitting the ceiling,floor anything but the huge target 7 yrds in front of him (you know those ones with the in black)
his friend was much better he hit the paper and even got one or two
on the black part,but just :rolleyes:

Doesn't mean they aint dangerous though,now that they know they can't hit the side of a barn,I think they're more likely to kill an innocent bystander

El Tejon
February 19, 2004, 08:34 AM
Don't the homeyz realise that the weapon takes a particular mag. I've see a bunch of nonfunctional "crime guns" made non-functional as Ray ray or T-bone stick the incorrect mag in the weapon.

After looking through more than a few gangbanger manuals on weapons, you would think this would be addressed but it isn't.:confused:

Dave Markowitz
February 19, 2004, 08:48 AM
THIS THREAD IS WORTHLESS WITHOUT PICTURES!!!



:D

Harry Tuttle
February 19, 2004, 09:06 AM
i gather the preban, high cap mag no longer functions in a 1911...

Balog
February 19, 2004, 09:40 AM
Waste of a pre-ban 1911 mag. Was it one of those llooonnggg single stacks, or a extended version of a Para Ordnance double stack?




Oh yeah, post some pics!

cracked butt
February 19, 2004, 10:11 AM
Hmm. I wonder if I could get a hold of George if I ever need some work done on my Citori.:rolleyes:

Skunkabilly
February 19, 2004, 10:56 AM
What? No starboard mounted Bushnell Holosight?

444
February 19, 2004, 11:44 AM
"i gather the preban, high cap mag no longer functions in a 1911..."

I doubt that a 20 round mag ever functioned in a 1911.

Zach S
February 19, 2004, 12:01 PM
Never heard of a 20 round mag...

I have tried a 19 round (SVI?) mag in my Kimber though, fun fun fun....

Balog
February 19, 2004, 12:25 PM
I've seen an old single stack 20 rounder. I think they called it a "trench magazine."

Samurai Penguin
February 19, 2004, 07:00 PM
I'm thinking Gangbanger George must have worked on some vehicles I've owned...!

Zach S
February 20, 2004, 07:54 AM
You should see some of the stuff I've done to my own cars...

45R
February 20, 2004, 11:08 AM
Send Gangbanger George an application for Jeff Gordan's NASCAR team :D

444
February 20, 2004, 11:48 AM
Somewhere, I have a 25 round 1911 magazine.
It never worked from day 1.

BluesBear
February 21, 2004, 08:29 AM
Back around 1970 I bought a 40 (yes forty) round magazine for my Remington Rand 1911A1.

The only magazine I ever owned that took longer to shoot to empty than it did to load.

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