Rob Pincus & James Yeager on Open Carry (video)


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snake eater 332
May 21, 2012, 12:00 AM
Here's a video by firearms instructors Rob Pincus (owner of I.C.E.) and James Yeager (owner of Tactical Response) regarding their opinion on Open Carry:

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2012/05/daniel-zimmerman/rob-pincus-and-james-yeager-on-open-carry/

Bio for Rob Pincus:
http://www.icetraining.us/

Bio for James Yeager:
http://www.tacticalresponse.com/d/instructorYeager

Interesting to hear what two prominent professional firearms instructors have to say on the subject....

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Salmoneye
May 21, 2012, 07:26 AM
Two people on YouTube that are against open carry for making political statements...

Surely changed my mind...

Bubba613
May 21, 2012, 07:50 AM
I've always thought it was a bad idea. But if Yeager says it's a bad idea maybe it's worth another look.

ApacheCoTodd
May 21, 2012, 11:13 AM
Thanks for the posting so I can add them to the list of folk to not open links for in the future.

I shoulda judged that book by the cover before I even hit play.

Hiding his contempt for open carry by cloaking it in loathing for "ass clownery" political statements pushed him right over the edge as a professional source for me.

Don't OC because you might offend someone and give them ammunition for further anti-gun legislation, and besides, I'm an expert and I think you're just doing it to make a statement....:banghead:

CountryUgly
May 21, 2012, 11:14 AM
If it isn't have to type of situation (CC being illegal) just pull your shirt over it. At the same time where OC is common no one really notices or cares if you have a gun on your hip. I'll have to agree also that these guys OCing with a camera rolling all the time and going out of their way to challenge LEOs are not very bright.

Sam1911
May 21, 2012, 11:21 AM
I've always thought it was a bad idea. But if Yeager says it's a bad idea maybe it's worth another look.
Now that's funny, right there! :D

GEM
May 21, 2012, 12:15 PM
OC with a Kilt? Inside joke.

NavyLCDR
May 21, 2012, 01:32 PM
You can find "expert" support for ANY position on ANYTHING.

Owen Sparks
May 21, 2012, 01:37 PM
A right not exercised is a right lost.

X-Rap
May 21, 2012, 02:07 PM
I think political statements have their place and there are some times when OC is my best option but in general I see it somewhat like I viewed knife carry back when gun carry was much more restricted.
Remember the guys with the big Arkansas Toothpicks and Bowie knives compared to those with the 110's on their belts?
I always thought the former to be somewhat ostentatious with the later being more utilitarian, same for a gun IMO so I generally keep it well inside my waistband or use a light shirt for cover. I don't quiver in fear of it printing or someone getting a glimpse if I reach for something on a shelf but don't want it flashing brightly in a crowd either.

Flopsweat
May 21, 2012, 03:15 PM
I only watched the first one. That was enough for me. It looked like a marketing video from a couple of blowhards. They have lots of opinions, but I didn't hear any facts, other than gun law changes.

And the one guy totally misses the point that California helped the 2A cause when they banned unloaded open carry. They are now in blatant violation as clarified by the Heller and McDonald decisions. They will be straightened out soon enough, assuming Obama does not get a chance to appoint another Supreme Court Justice. Open carry advocates have made great progress in Washington State, getting bad laws repealed and illegal police activity corrected.

"Most of the guys I've seen doing this are not trained." How exactly would he know that?

They are good at sounding like they know what they are talking about to the uninitiated. I would not take a class from either of them.

Hk Dan
May 21, 2012, 03:28 PM
Guys, Rob Pincus is not a blow hard and he knows his <deleted>. I have taken six classes with him and know him pretty well; if you disount his opinion because you don't like his stance you are selling yourself short. Pincus IS opinionated, but he's thought about every single one of them. He's taken steps to prove/disprove his hypothesis, and he's satisfied himself that "x" is true and correct. That is his trademark.

Now I happen to agree with him. I think Open Carry is ostentatious and used by those with an agenda (albeit an agenda that I might otherwise support). I don't like showboats or braggards and the urrent OC crowd smacks of that to me.

I'm with Pincus. I am not a James Yeager fan, he is incidental.
Dan

627PCFan
May 21, 2012, 03:37 PM
"A right not exercised is a right lost. "


+1

I do not agree with Pincus in the statement that OC in an urban environment has no advantages. Opinions are like...........

Owen Sparks
May 21, 2012, 07:22 PM
This reminds me of the old saying that it is best not to talk about politics and religion because it might offend someone.

While this might be true, the 1A is there to make sure that if we do say something about politics or religion that offendes some people, they can not use the power of the state to silence us.

Why should the 2A be any treated any differently?

youngda9
May 21, 2012, 08:34 PM
Opinions are like...........Yeagers.

Did I get the riddle right?

Flintknapper
May 21, 2012, 10:40 PM
Guys, Rob Pincus is not a blow hard and he knows his <deleted>. I have taken six classes with him and know him pretty well; if you disount his opinion because you don't like his stance you are selling yourself short. Pincus IS opinionated, but he's thought about every single one of them. He's taken steps to prove/disprove his hypothesis, and he's satisfied himself that "x" is true and correct. That is his trademark.


Like maybe his "stance" on 1911's being "antiquated" and only striker fired weapons worth considering?

I didn't bother reading the links once I saw his name.

Owen Sparks
May 21, 2012, 11:20 PM
Everyone is entitled to their opinion about open carry. My problem is when they wish to use the power of the state to codify that opinion into law and force it on the rest of us.

Bubba613
May 22, 2012, 12:12 AM
Everyone is entitled to their opinion about open carry. My problem is when they wish to use the power of the state to codify that opinion into law and force it on the rest of us.
You know anyone on this board that does that?

beatledog7
May 22, 2012, 12:26 AM
Seems to me I've seen Mr. Pincus on video demonstrating various SD techniques, drawing from an open carry holster.

Like this one. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKso6R10OJ0&feature=relmfu (http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKso6R10OJ0&feature=relmfu)

Hmm.

asia331
May 22, 2012, 12:58 AM
Reading the link on Mr. Yeager's bio gives one the impression that the gentleman has trouble keeping a job.

RhinoDefense
May 22, 2012, 01:21 AM
I wouldn't take any advice about weapons or tactics from a coward that got his teammates killed in combat and threw them under the bus posthumously (ie that coward being Yeager).

rem22long40x
May 22, 2012, 04:52 AM
I did not like any thing thay had to say and I put this on there Facebook about sub compact 45s.
David L. Schroeder

I have a High Standard sub compact 45acp and I have shot over 2,000 rounds out of it with no failuerd of any kind . may be its that the over priced Kimbers just SUCK ! so don't make a blanket statement that sub compact 45 suck . mostly ROB YOU SUCK!!!!!!!!!!

NWCP
May 22, 2012, 06:17 AM
While I'm not a fan of open carry I don't oppose it where it is legal. Being confrontational with open carry is a mistake IMHO.

Flopsweat
May 22, 2012, 07:43 AM
While I'm not a fan of open carry I don't oppose it where it is legal. Being confrontational with open carry is a mistake IMHO.
Well put. I don't open carry often, but I reserve the right to do so when I choose. I really appreciate those who open carry to educate others. The ones looking for trouble, not so much. If you're calm, polite and non-confrontational, more power to you.

340PD
May 22, 2012, 11:32 AM
Tactical Response????????
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvdB9P_5Zp0&feature=related
Yeager's response
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1R3t0wuLDWQ

Ankeny
May 22, 2012, 12:13 PM
I wasn't going to post, until I saw the videos of the photographer downrange and Yeager's response.

First off, I have seen folks open carry to make a political statement. They strut around like a peacock in heat with that look at me attitude, and frankly I think that kind of display is counterproductive to the RKBA. On the flip side, there are places and circumstances where open carry is the norm and I don't think a thing of it.

As far as the videos, apparently he doesn't understand how many people are alive today because of proper risk management. I better shut up before I call him an a$$ clown or the like. ;)

ApacheCoTodd
May 22, 2012, 12:41 PM
Funny, while I saw potential risk in the positioning of the photographer - I perceived the risk as being mitigated by 100% awareness of his presence, short range of firing and a fairly well controlled environment. But really - these days. what would it have taken to remote that camera?

Silly? Yup. Worth the risk? Nope. Potential for a whompin' law suit? Absolutely.

But then I sometimes ride a motorcycle without a helmet and the above applies.

I was more distracted by the fella in the white tee shirt doin' the pee-pee dance during firing. Seems he was not clear on all the principals of the days event. Add that to a man in range of muzzle blast with a camera and I start to worry about the environment.

As far as the 9 minute Mea non-Culpa video... I'd have had more respect for a short "we know what we're doin" statement than trying to clumsily change anyone's mind.

FIVETWOSEVEN
May 22, 2012, 12:50 PM
Like maybe his "stance" on 1911's being "antiquated" and only striker fired weapons worth considering?

Isn't he the same idiot saying that all handguns should be Glock 19s or something stupid like that? I just wrote that guy off as a Glock fanboy and those are my least favorite gun people. (no offense to those that like Glocks, just those that think it's the best and shove it in others faces.)

Certaindeaf
May 22, 2012, 12:54 PM
^
If I had a Glock, I'd Burka it too.

Sam1911
May 22, 2012, 01:09 PM
Alright. Not much useful here. Two personalities have an opinion and decided to share. Lovely.

One of the great challenges in evaluating the worth of instructors (or other 'celebrity' sorts) is to know when they are 'in their lane' and when they're straying into territory where their thoughts are little (or no) more informed or insightful than those of other interested parties, the 'average man,' and/or even you yourself.

The other great challenge is, of course, to identify and accept when such individuals are speaking from their strengths and their special enlightenment and you should be paying attention.

Sometimes (perhaps here?) it isn't too hard to tell one from the other. ;)

But drifting the conversation into random thoughts about what guns they like or don't like, and rehashing ... notable... past moments of their careers gets us drifting off of the original, worn-out, dead-horse-beat topic.

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