Carrying in the COLD


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Bobson
May 23, 2012, 03:11 AM
If you were going to be living in a place that has extremely cold temperatures for at least a few months every year (let's just say well below 0 degrees F, to make this simple), and wanted to select a carry gun specifically for that time, what would you select?

Obviously, in this hypothetical situation, we can assume you would have multiple layers of clothing on, so virtually any handgun you would select would be okay as far as size/concealment is concerned. Let's also assume weight is a non-issue, within reason. I don't want to get any suggestions along the lines of a MAC-11, but a steel-framed, full-size 1911 or so wouldn't be out of the question.

This would be for mobile protection from two-legged predators only (not HD). What would you look at as the optimum selection? Seeking a balance of caliber (penetration - remember that people would be wearing layers), handgun size, handgun weight, etc.

Let's assume we were carrying a Glock 19 or Glock 26 during summer months in this area, when people typically wear jeans and a t-shirt or similar apparel. In the winter, when many layers and thick coats are added, would the 9mm become a less-than-ideal option? Would might be a better selection?

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Sergei Mosin
May 23, 2012, 04:27 AM
I live in such an environment, I carry a full-size all-steel 1911 in .45 ACP all year long, and with that weapon I have no concerns about penetration. I wouldn't be concerned about penetration with a 9mm either.

I think the only cartridges worthy of concern in winter are those that are pretty marginal to begin with, from .380 ACP on down. But I wouldn't carry a .380 anyway unless I required deep concealment, and in wintertime that 1911 can meet the deep concealment requirement!

Tinker
May 23, 2012, 06:14 AM
A full sized polymer handled pistol.

The reason is that when I first got a Glock (my first polymer gun) I noticed that my ungloved hand stayed fairly warm when the gun was cold. Metal ones tend to sink heat out of your hand.

WardenWolf
May 23, 2012, 06:49 AM
I'm normally not a fan of polymer pistols, but I have to agree: go polymer. A metal pistol is NOT going to be pleasant to come in contact with in winter, and they also tend to function as a heat sink. Try a Springfield XD, in whatever variety and caliber you prefer.

don p
May 23, 2012, 09:48 AM
A metal pistol is NOT going to be pleasant to come in contact with in winter
:scrutiny: I 'm not in agreement on that. Gun is holstered on your side and should be nice and toasty and warm next to the old love handles, should it not:what:
What about all the GI's carrying 1911's in Europe during the winter months of WWII?

Greg528iT
May 23, 2012, 10:18 AM
Gun is holstered on your side and should be nice and toasty and warm next to the old love handles, should it not
And be readily accessible??? A gun for self defense should be easy to get to, not under 2-3 layers of clothing.

What about all the GI's carrying 1911's in Europe during the winter months of WWII?
If they had to fire their 1911 bare handed, I bet they froze their hands. Generally speaking most GIs fought with a rifle and gloves on.. with an exposed trigger finger.

I would concur that a polymer frame would be easier on a bare hand in cold weather, BUT a nice wood grip or hogue wrap around on a 1911 would be workable for the few moments you need it. I would stay away from the Aluma grips. YIKES, Aluminum is a better heat sink than steel.

don p
May 23, 2012, 10:27 AM
And be readily accessible??? A gun for self defense should be easy to get to, not under 2-3 layers of clothing

OK, are you suggesting open carry? Where do youcarry in winter months?

KenW.
May 23, 2012, 10:42 AM
The average person isn't going to be "on-gun" for a substantial length of time like an infantryman. While carrying in the cold the gun will be under your coat and fairly well insulated from the temperature.

I've carried metallic and polymer pistols proffessionally for years, and have never noted a temerature difference.

627PCFan
May 23, 2012, 10:43 AM
retracted

Sam1911
May 23, 2012, 10:53 AM
Seems like several questions here:

1) Penetration against multiple layers of clothing: I don't worry about this. Even the bulkiest layers commonly worn aren't going to significantly slow down a reasonable defensive round. Might tend to plug hollowpoint cavities, maybe, perhaps, but the bullet will penetrate, which is the key anyway. Carry whatever you normally would carry for self-defense. 9mm, .45, .44 all work for me.

2) Cold gun: In a self-defense encounter, I'm not worrying about how cold the gun is. This isn't an extended range session, it's a few shots in a few seconds. Cold gun, hot gun, whatever. It's going to go bang, and that's the important thing. Unless I'm wearing it out in an ice storm and exposed to the weather and it becomes slick to hold or iced up so it won't work. But how realistic is that? :scrutiny:

3) How to carry? Even if you'd normally OC, it seems pretty unlikely you'd strap on a pistol belt OVER a parka, so the gun will be under cover. You should get some practice in drawing and firing the gun using whatever gear (parka, bibs, gloves?) you would normally wear under those conditions. I wouldn't carry the gun under a set of bibs, though. That's too hard to get to. But under the parka or other top layer? Sure. I've taken tactical classes dressed like that!

JTQ
May 23, 2012, 10:54 AM
I agree, it shouldn't make a bunch of difference what material your pistol is made of since you would have it under several layers of clothing, or at least your coat. Unless you are a Mountie or a game warden, having your side arm buried under some clothing is just the price of doing business when living in the cold. If you are standing outside in the cold taking a handgun class for a few hours, you may have an advantage with polymer, but otherwise I don't think it makes a difference.

I would be inclined to just stick with your G19. As explained in these two forum threads, the 9MM is apparently the way to go.

9MM vs black bear
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=660114

9MM vs 45ACP
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=659727

I don't have any 9MM experience, but I'm sure you can trust these very knowledgeable experts. I'm currently limited to .45ACP and .357 Magnum in my handguns, and feel a little bit at a disadvantage after reading those two threads, but I'll soldier on with what I have until I can get around to getting a pistol in 9MM.

Greg528iT
May 23, 2012, 11:38 AM
OK, are you suggesting open carry?
No. My normal winter coat is I guess what they call car coat length. Plenty long enough to cover a gun on my hip. but being outside my pants, outside my shirt, but under my coat. While it's somewhat protected from the elements, it's not like it's going to be body temp. I'd expect it to be quite a bit colder than that. I'd expect that if carrying in such a fashion one would practice pulling the coat up with the off off hand and accessing the firearm. Some days I wear rain pants, I tuck them UNDER the gun, not over.. still hidden by my coat, but now an extra layer away from my body.

19-3Ben
May 23, 2012, 12:36 PM
Might tend to plug hollowpoint cavities, maybe, perhaps, but the bullet will penetrate, which is the key anyway.

Sam's post is spot on. The only thing I'd add is that because HP bullets can clog on that quantity of clothing, I might be inclined to pick something like a wheelgun loaded with something like a .44spl wadcutter (http://www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=282). A round heavy enough to penetrate, already relatively wide, and with a flat front/squared off shoulders to still cut and crush nicely rather than "ice-picking."

Of course, if I had a modern semi-auto in any caliber 9mm and up, with a non-clogging expanding bullet (such as Hornady Critical Defense/Duty, or Federal EFMJ), I'd be plenty happy.

Oh, and with that many layers, I might consider a shoulder rig. I may possibly be faster on the draw.

Sam1911
May 23, 2012, 12:40 PM
Oh, and with that many layers, I might consider a shoulder rig. I may possibly be faster on the draw.


How do you figure? I can lift the tail of my jacket a lot faster than I can unzip and go for a shoulder holster.

Of course, I'm assuming it's really COLD, so the jacket would be zipped. But I'm faster from any belt holster than a shoulder holster either way...

19-3Ben
May 23, 2012, 12:54 PM
Of course, I'm assuming it's really COLD, so the jacket would be zipped. But I'm faster from any belt holster than a shoulder holster either way...

As am I. But with a whole bunch of layers, i've found a gun on a belt holster can get tangled in undershirt, overshirts, base layers, windbreakers, etc... I do not carry in a shoulder holster, but if you could simply unzip the out layer and have the gun easily presentable, it might be faster. I dunno. Pure speculation. I'd have to be there and figure it out for myself before giving a definite answer. Luckily, I'm one of those nuts who doesn't really get cold, so even in a blizzard, the best I'm likely to wear is a light jacket.

It's all a matter of preference.

BSA1
May 23, 2012, 02:04 PM
I normally stear clear of these Glocks for everything threads but the best choice is as clear as the nose on your face. I am referring to the K-frame 357magnum. Consider that;

It is small enough to be carried in a large coat pocket.
It can be fired multiple times from inside a coat pocket. A semi-auto the first round but after that???
The revolver has a 100 years of carry in all types of weather in the holsters of police. military and sportsman. I carried one once when it was so cold the ink in my pen frooze.
The 357 magnum has serious stopping power and outperforms the 9mm, 40 and 45 acp.

It is hard to accept that other guns are a better choice then the gunstore favorite.

I find the K-frame with a 3" barrel fits all the above. Hey come to think of it so did the FBI.

markdaniel
May 23, 2012, 03:22 PM
I have a few cabela's coats. They have a zippered pocket inside the stormflap that goes over the zipper. It is big enough for a compact pistol and very easy to access. the coats are also gore tex so the gun is not exposed to the elements.

ArchAngelCD
May 24, 2012, 01:15 AM
I pocket carry a J frame revolver year round loaded with a premium .38 Special +P round and I don't worry about cloths or the cold. Carrying in my pocket removes the worries of a coat or anything else getting in the way of my draw.

psyopspec
May 24, 2012, 03:39 PM
I grew up in North Dakota where the winters were long and weeks below 0 degrees F weren't uncommon in the JAN-FEB timeframe.

Most of the time I did not change my carry setup. A service or full sized pistol carried IWB was what I carried most of the time throughout the year. What I did change was the way I dressed. If I was running to the store, just throw on a jacket and be good to go. If I was going out for the day, or somewhere I planned on taking my jacket off, I would throw on a pullover fleece and then the winter jacket. That way the jacket stays unzipped, and/or I could remove it and still be concealed.

I do not recommend carrying in the chest level/zipper pockets found on many jackets. I tried, and found it to be uncomfortable. The garment will list to one side. If you go somewhere warm, taking off the jacket separates you from your gun, or keeping it on makes you sweat uncomfortably.

An alternate method I eventually came upon was pocket carry in the main jacket pockets. The hands are on the gun, hands and gun remain warm, and access isn't a problem since it's right there. Best when going for walks, again you don't want to do this if you plan on removing the coat.

Sometimes I would do both, since it's so easy. Keep in mind that's your advantage here. Cold climates don't restrict carry, they increase your options since you can hide just about anything under a jacket.

I did come to prefer polymer pistols, but selected them based on what I shot well. There was an incidental advantage during the winter, however, since I did my practicing at an outdoor range. I liked polymer pistols and plastic magazines, and lots of those magazines already loaded so that time spent in the cold could be focused on shooting. Generally I would stop going to the range in October, but then cabin fever would set in by December and I'd find myself out on the prairie with tears from the wind streaming down my numb cheeks as I did my best to pretend they were a fountain of joy from shooting my CCW for the first time in months. :uhoh: For range sessions like that, plastic is better than metal.

Wanderling
May 24, 2012, 04:41 PM
And be readily accessible??? A gun for self defense should be easy to get to, not under 2-3 layers of clothing.


Precisely. Finally someone said that.. It has to be accessible.

If they had to fire their 1911 bare handed, I bet they froze their hands. Generally speaking most GIs fought with a rifle and gloves on.. with an exposed trigger finger.

I would concur that a polymer frame would be easier on a bare hand in cold weather, BUT a nice wood grip or hogue wrap around on a 1911 would be workable for the few moments you need it. I would stay away from the Aluma grips. YIKES, Aluminum is a better heat sink than steel.

The war in Europe that American troops engaged in was in a relatively mild climate. Italy, Northern France and Germany aren't exactly famous for harsh winters.

Zero degrees F is roughly -18C. So the OP is talking of temps around -20 /25C. I would guess that's a full 10 deg lower than the conditions Allies encountered in the coldest months of European campaign. At -25C holding bare metal with your bare hands is painful. Also your fingers freeze up and even pulling the trigger, let alone carefully aiming, is hard. Besides, in case of a hostile encounter, you can't waste precious time getting rid of gloves, and you're not going to walk around in a freezing cold without them either.

If WW2 is used as an example, we really should look at the experience of Russians, Japanese and Finns. All used gloves in winter. If I am not mistaken the Japanese even redesigned the trigger guard on Nambu to accommodate thick gloved finger. The Russian army used (and still uses) woven gloves (knit, cotton, wool, or mix). These gloves are warmer, allow better degree of finger control than leather, and are cheaper too. On the downside they tend to be somewhat more slippery and also get wet very quickly if you get them in snow. Regardless, if serious about carrying in very cold winter, I'd take good woven gloves over leather, and definitely over the ones that must be taken off to fire (like the very thick Thinsulates or similar).

Cosmoline
May 24, 2012, 04:48 PM
It's a genuine issue up here. There are of course some firearms with extra wide guards to permit handling with gloves, but I've found they are still not practical in genuine cold temps where you're exposed. The Glocks for example give enough room for a standard gloved finger which is protected from, say 10-35 f. above zero. But when you get into subzero cold or worse yet south of -20 f., your gloves need to be considerably bigger and puffier or you'll start running out of fingers.

I've tried all kinds of solutions to this problem, but the best I've come up with is this.

The handgun is the same year-round. The trigger guard is not modified. It sits in the holster compartment of a Maxpedition fatboy. This keeps it on the surface of whatever I'm wearing, so I don't have to dig through fleece or wool layers to find my sidearm.

The gloves are kept on a lanyard loop, and my draw drill is simply to grab the tip of the right hand glove finger in my teeth and yank it off, then go for the draw with the bare hand. This does expose the flesh to the cold, but in those circumstances the exposure is likely to be pretty limited in duration. At twenty below I'm good for a few minutes. For deeper cold, glove liners are kept on during the exposure.

As a backup and to keep the hand warm, I just use a simple jacket pocket carry.

shep854
May 24, 2012, 09:06 PM
I had a 'pass-thru' slit cut in my car coat, so I can access my trouser pockets with the coat buttoned. This allows me to pocket-carry my J49 revolver, like I do during warm weather.

Shadow 7D
May 24, 2012, 09:10 PM
Make sure you can shoot it wearing GLOVES
if you shed gloves, wear two, one is a THIN contact glove, who's job is to keep you SKIN from freezing TO (and in -30 this is VERY important) everything, as your moist fingers (think about this, just came from your 'warm' glove') will instantly freeze to anything you touch and to get loose, you will remove the outer layers (or more) of you skin
if the pistol is warm, keep it warm, if it gets cold (left in the car....) keep it cold

going between causes condensation, condensation freezes, an ICED up FP goes CLICK CLICK CLICK

And wearing it under the outer layer, is in between, it isn't as warm as you (might even be freezing) but it's still warmer (and moister) than outside.

Honestly, If I'm going about town in my car, I pocket carry, I'm only going to be wearing thin gloves (and it's not for the warmth, it's damn annoying and PAINFUL when you hand sticks to everything, including the steering wheel) I'm NOT dressed for exposure

Out and about, 'exposure' like Cosmo and his hippy:D bike rides in the snow, I either put something in my old army M9 holster that is padded and flapped, keeps the snow and stuff out, or carry something like a shotgun if I'm in the woods.

shep854
May 24, 2012, 09:38 PM
One of the first gun reviews I read by Mas Ayoob was for a SIG P220 with the Euro mag release on the heel of the grip. He liked this because it prevented accidentally dropping the mag with a thickly-gloved thumb (he was in New Hampshire at that time). The P220 also has a big trigger guard, the better for a gloved trigger finger.
These were among the reasons he liked it as a winter gun. Of course, .45ACP didn't hurt either.

psyopspec
May 24, 2012, 11:32 PM
RE multiple layers, the concept of the IWB draw doesn't really change if you're a typical urban dweller. To draw from my IWB right now, I would reach back, brush my T-shirt up, grip, and draw. To draw from my IWB in North Dakota in December, I would reach back, brush up my fleece or jacket, grip, and draw. Not that hard. Practice is of course a must, but it's easy.

If you're talking about being in snowpants or coveralls, then yeah you'll need to come up with something else. At those times, pocket carry works, or a shoulder holster with a cover garment over the snow pants, or unzip your Carhartts and have a shoulder rig underneath.

As for gloves, I usually wore Nomex flight gloves and kept my hands in my pockets. I was warm, still had my dexterity, and with the hand in the pocket I already had it resting on a pistol. The fastest draw is the one you don't have to do. Again, for day-to-day urban dwellers who usually won't have more than 2 minutes of exposure those gloves worked. During cold snaps at absolute zero or blizzard conditions, there aren't a lot of riff raff out and about to threaten, but if it's something you're still concerned about, I would recommend the wool mittens that pull back to fingerless gloves. I've had good luck with them during deer hunting. Keep the fingers exposed while out and about, pull down to mitten mode while driving or if it's that cold out that you feel you need that.

coolluke01
May 24, 2012, 11:51 PM
Shadow hit on an important point. Warm to cold and cold to warm will cause issues.
Test your gun in these situations. Condensation will become ice and can mess with things. I have tested this with my carry gun and have been happy with the results. Glock 26.

I would think that handguns with polymer would be the best choice for cold weather carry.

If you are going to be going in and out a lot (warm - cold/ cold - warm) A polymer gun will acclimate to the environment faster. If you are coming from the outside (cold gun) the longer it takes to warm up the more opportunity there is for moisture to condense and build up on the gun. I like choosing a small polymer gun that will warm up quickly and dry out fast. A warm gun will be a dry gun. And when you bring it outside it will be less likely to freeze if it has come up to room temperature.

Serenity
May 25, 2012, 12:13 AM
I work outside and spend several below zero days every winter, and I have found that the dual layer gloves work best for pretty much everything. I have to open metal latches and snaps on gates, and the inner layer keeps my hand from sticking to metal. If I'm also going to get wet (watering cows) I put knit "one size" gloves, a pair of latex exam gloves, then chilly grip knit gloves with the textured rubberized palms.

But the most amazing thing I have found for keeping hand warms is those one-use "hot hands" TOE warmers. They are flat to fit in your shoes, unlike the little pocket hand warmers, so they can stick to the back of your hand outside the inner glove but under the outer gloves. A pair in my Bog boots, as well, and I'm good to go in subzero temps for hours.

I can do pretty intricate tasks with the knit gloves with exam gloves over them; I will have to try shooting with them sometime :cool:

Shadow 7D
May 25, 2012, 12:22 AM
cool luke, kinda, but NO
think about it

ALL the important parts are metal, the only advantage Poly has is that it takes less heat from your hand, so the frost bite isn't as bad.

Claude Clay
May 25, 2012, 12:23 AM
i have a j-frame in my weakside pocket. there is a divider in the pocket so my car keys and the gun can not touch. if i have to fire fast, than history has me with a fire in the pocket caused by the gun. coats are replacable.

my strongside pocket has a slit cut in it ( overstitched for strength) so i can reach through to my belt for my primary with my hand in my pocket.

for ammo i go with ball in the heavy coat wearther. now there is speciality ammo but my supply of gold dots is plentiful and im content.

Shadow 7D
May 25, 2012, 12:37 AM
ONLY shrouded revolvers in a pocket without lots of loose material will allow a second, maybe 3rd shot, otherwise you end up with a gun, revolver and auto lock up and STUCK in your pocket if you do choose to fire it in your pocket.

coolluke01
May 25, 2012, 10:50 AM
My G26 loaded is about 19 oz. A loaded 1911 is 44 oz on average. This is a lot more metal that needs to come up to temperature. This is my only point. I know a poly gun has metal parts still. (duh) :rolleyes: A 1911 will stay cold longer and will therefor have a longer period where it will condense moisture and give more opportunity to freeze.

If you take you gun off your nightstand and head out into freezing weather it wouldn't be a bad idea to rack the slide once or twice once the gun gets below 32 deg.

I don't think most people are outside in freezing weather all day but are in and out most of the time. Since this is likely the case for most, I think a small light weight gun is the best option.

RedAlert
May 25, 2012, 01:48 PM
I would think if we are looking to the past for examples of fighting in the cold we should think of the war in Korea. For sure the men there suffered and fought in frigid conditions.

After reading this thread, I don't recall the OP made any mention if he was concerned about going indoors then outdoors and how it would affect his carry option with respect to a carry position or holster. It might need two holsters; one that stays with the coat and one that stays on the belt perhaps.

Also, with respect to polymer or metal frame weapon. I carry SIGs and they have polymer/plastic wrap-around grip panels. So the only metal I am exposed to the slide and trigger assembly. At any rate I use Hogue Wrap-around grips on all my SIGs, even if they do have all metal frames I'm insulated from the cold.

Certaindeaf
May 25, 2012, 01:55 PM
It quickly becomes impossible to load magazines in cold enough weather.

Shadow 7D
May 25, 2012, 02:16 PM
Once again luke, interesting idea, and well, that's nice and all but PRACTICALLY (have much time out in deep cold, and by that, lets just say it's a bit past 0*F

dude, you don't get it, the how cold, or how long it's going to be cold when you bring it in isn't a consideration in the whole of things, rather LEARNING how to prevent the ice build it is. The fact that you are being distracted by this point and belaboring it tells me of you inexperience in deep cold. What I am speaking of is the habit of some to leave a gun in a vehicle for long periods of time, having two warming/freezing cycles a day, to and from work.

as for the 'rack the slide' thing, um, buddy that's just all wrong
it does NOTHING to remove condensation in the firing pin channel.
keeping your gun and powder dry is the key

BlackSky
May 25, 2012, 04:17 PM
S&W Model 24 or 624 in .44 Special with a 3" barrel.

Robbins290
May 25, 2012, 07:42 PM
I live in maine. I work outside sometimes. I carry a full size 1911. With gloves. If im not working and dont need gloves. I carry a makarov

tekarra
May 25, 2012, 08:26 PM
In winter I carry S&W Centennial in my coat pocket.

JR24
May 25, 2012, 08:40 PM
I live in such conditions (several months of the year in well below zero, like -30 to -50 before windchill) and I keep with the same method I use in the warmer monts, a Ruger SR9c. If I've got a regular jacket on I'll stay with my IWB, if I've got my parka on I'll transfer the ruger to a chest pocket where I can actually reach it. If you can brush aside a full parka and draw, more power to you, I can't.

My real problem with the setup is that to draw and fire, I'd generally also need to drop a glove since I don't know too many guns with trigger guards big enough for winter gloves.

I use a shoulder rig on the snowmachine with somthing more substancial when trapping/hunting, usually a .45, either a 1911 or Sig P220.

montanaoffroader
May 25, 2012, 08:42 PM
We get subzero temps most winters, use the same gun year round (Russian Makarov). No trouble operating it wearing my usual winter gloves.

Robbins290
May 25, 2012, 09:15 PM
I agree montanofforader! I like th makarov alot. I just find the 1911 longer grip a lottle easier with full size works gloves.

coolluke01
May 26, 2012, 08:01 PM
I'm only making the points I am to show ways to prevent condensation buildup. I know racking the slide won't take care of all condensation issues. It certainly can't hurt.

I have a great deal of experience with cold weather. I live and work inside and outside in sub 0 weather every winter. We routinely have weeks with sub -20 without windchill and have had it as cold as -50 without windchill.

I have tools that I use that I bring in and out all day long. They then sit in the truck and freeze over night. The tools with the most plastic tend to warm up fastest and have the least amount of frozen moisture problems. Pipe wrenches for example will stay cold and condense for the longest time when brought inside. They also don't like being adjusted when cold do to the frozen moisture.

NMGonzo
May 26, 2012, 11:30 PM
polymer

because it will be a cold day in Hades when you shoot with a heavily gloved hand

Ala Dan
May 27, 2012, 03:51 AM
Full size, West German SIG-SAUER .45 caliber P220A~! :D

IlikeSA
May 27, 2012, 04:52 AM
I am going to suggest a pocket revolver, like a LCR or a small Smith and Wesson in at least .38 with a shrouded hammer. The reason being that they can be carried in the pocket of your outer jacket, you can get to it easily with a gloved hand, and it can be fired from the pocket. The best part of it is that you can be holding it in your hand in your pocket and no one is the wiser.

It doesn't mean I cannot carry a full sized pistol under the coat, such as my 1911 in .45.

gotboostvr
May 27, 2012, 05:36 AM
I'll throw another vote in for a 3" K frame .357. The .38's handle pretty stout loads if that's all you can find.

3" barrel gives a decent sight radius, full length ejector rod and the medium frame isn't heavy, but gives a full grip on the gun for accuracy and follow up shots. Recoil is nothing serious even with pretty hot loads.
...and no one will argue that 6 rounds of .357 is anything to sneeze at. Serious power and penetration, nice and flat shooting.

doc2rn
May 27, 2012, 09:06 AM
I remember seeing an under arm rig for that 3 round 12g pistol/shotgun which held an additional 24 rounds opposite the gun to counter balance the rig. Wonder if I can still find the pic.....that would seem like a good choice to me.

JTQ
May 27, 2012, 11:44 AM
I remember seeing an under arm rig for that 3 round 12g pistol/shotgun which held an additional 24 rounds opposite the gun to counter balance the rig. Wonder if I can still find the pic.....that would seem like a good choice to me.

Are you looking for the Andrews Custom Leather "FirePower Rig"?

http://www.andrewsleather.com/traditional.htm

Pyro
May 27, 2012, 11:46 AM
Any pistol should do.
I'm not that picky when it comes to guns.

RBid
May 27, 2012, 11:56 AM
Walther P99AS, IWB, at 4 o'clock.

I am very fit, so I'm not bringing much padding to the table. Even when I bundle up, I tend to quake a bit in extreme cold. I want a DA/SA style trigger, in those conditions.



This is, of course, hypothetical. I will never move to that type of environment. I love Oregon, but any climate change from here would be to someplace warmer, not someplace colder.

Lex Luthier
May 27, 2012, 02:10 PM
Probably not new news here, but the winter season means you can carry anything big. Those insulated vests are great at hiding the irons. I do not prefer longer coats, but if you do, then carry the 1911 or 44 mag OWB.

I used to wear a lot of suitcoats year round, and IWB or Mexican style worked for me everytime.

mio
May 28, 2012, 12:57 PM
another 3" k frame .357 vote i carry mine owb with a coat that covers it. i also carry it in the front pocket of my carhart bibs. summer carry i prefer something smaller though.

PO2Hammer
May 28, 2012, 06:00 PM
I like a .357 or .44 spl DA revolver with full size SWC's.
Careful - some revolvers, K frames Smiths in particular, will pinch the glove between the trigger and the top of the trigger guard as the trigger returns to the reset position. That prevents the trigger from re-setting. This has happened to me many times at the range when wearing mechanics type gloves.

Glocks have always handles well for me with gloves and cold fingers.
USP's are fine in cold weather, but the safety can be awkward for me with gloves.

The trick is glove/mitten selection.
In super cold Minnesota weather I like deer skin mittens over thin gloves. The deer skin keeps the wind off your gloves and they slip off in an instant. With un-insulated mittens and mechanics gloves my hands stay warm down to 0˚f indefinitely. Knit wool mittens over thin gloves would work well too.

asia331
May 29, 2012, 12:27 AM
In the cold let's assume we'll be wearing gloves, if we're wearing gloves we've got to be concerned with trigger manipulation and reset. That's why in winter I shoot/practice while gloved. Just speaking for myself, I have found a full size 1911 to be a completely suitable year 'round sidearm.

RBid
May 29, 2012, 08:27 AM
I guess it's safe to say that you're good to go, unless you're carrying Plaxico style.

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