May 23, 2012, 07:21 AM (It would be funny if they weren't such Control freak alarmists)

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May 23, 2012, 07:24 AM
What's the activism angle?

From the sticky:

It is the place to share with others the actions you have taken on behalf of RKBA or to propose actions on behalf of RKBA.

actions taken or proposed on behalf of RKBA means that your post must describe an action taken or propose a plan of action on behalf of RKBA or it will be deleted.

So what are you proposing?

May 23, 2012, 07:24 AM
Here is what they have to say about Bill Rugers little .223 carbine...

Title: The Ruger Mini-14: The "Poor Man's Assault Rifle"

Publication Date: July 2011

What does it say?

Based on a review of the Norway shooter's writings and gun industry marketing materials, researchers expose the shooter's logic in choosing the Ruger Mini-14 assault rifle for his attack. The shooter appears to have selected this particular assault rifle for its military provenance and low cost. U.S. shooters have likewise employed Sturm Ruger guns to kill large numbers of people.

Consistent with insurrectionist rhetoric popular among some gun owners in the U.S., the shooter's writings reveal a belief that shooting people is a form of legitimate political expression and an awareness that firearms can be as efficient as explosives in killing mass numbers of people.

How can I use it?

Use the report to advocate for reinstating the U.S. assault weapons ban, including a ban on high capacity ammunition magazines. Military-style assault pistols and rifles have no place in the civilian market.


Rand, Kristen, The Ruger Mini-14: The "Poor Man's Assault Rifle," Washington, DC: Violence Policy Center, July 2011

May 23, 2012, 07:26 AM
The best way to know what your enemy is up to is to scout right sam?

and as gut churning as it is I'm trying to help every poster on here get a look into the Anti-gunner mindset.

This is for folks new to firearms ownership so they can see for themselves what the Anti-gunner's twisted logic is about (in their own words no less)

Plus it serves as a reminder to all the long in the tooth firearms owners,that it doesn't matter the caliber or platform,we need to keep up the pressure on this issue to save lives,as well as our freedoms.

May 23, 2012, 07:49 AM
Notice in this one how they say "Shoot First Laws"

Instead of calling them by name (Stand your Ground)

They remove any idea of self defense and instead use Zimmerman as the posterboy for the rest of us (Is there any way that they could be slapped with a class action lawsuit for slander and outright misinformation?)

"Since George Zimmerman’s killing of Trayvon Martin, America’s outrage over the gun lobby's deadly "Shoot First" laws forced the NRA into a two-month self-imposed silent exile. The shooting exposed the darkness and danger of their vision with unusual clarity. Their reaction was to remain unusually silent.

Despite the shift in momentum we helped to create over the last few months and despite the tragic killing of Trayvon Martin by George Zimmerman, it seems the NRA is now back to their usual business of using fear and paranoia to justify their agenda of political extremism and selling as many guns to as many people as possible.

The NRA has now issued another ridiculous and misleading statement saying "Shoot First" laws are needed to protect the "innocent." We wonder whether Trayvon Martin’s parents would agree with that.

This time, the American people are not going to let the gun lobby just go back to business as usual -- using lies and deception to sell more guns to people like George Zimmerman.

Brady will continue to expose the deadly consequences of the gun lobby’s agenda and will shine a spotlight on those elected officials who choose to protect gun industry profits over Americans’ lives. We will make sure that voters know which candidates are not public servants, but servants to the gun lobby and, as a result, are true accomplices in the unnecessary tragedies for which their policies are directly responsible."

May 23, 2012, 07:51 AM
Ok. So let's move this out of Activism until/unless there's a plan for a specific action to take.

May 23, 2012, 07:52 AM
Move it where you think it fits best Sam...

Here is another "gem" of an article...

"It's time Congress listened to the American people and not the narrow and dangerous interests of the gun lobby. Too many politicians are doing the bidding of NRA and subscribing to their dark and paranoid vision of America where people are armed to the teeth anywhere they go.

We want a different vision of America where a kid like Trayvon Martin can go to the store and buy a pack a Skittles and an iced tea without getting shot.

It's time we made our voices heard! Sign the petition to let our elected officials know they will not get your vote in November unless they make a commitment to keep dangerous guns out of the hands of dangerous people.

If they don't, they won't get your vote!"

May 23, 2012, 08:10 AM
Notice the fear mongering of the Anti-gun Mindset? I sure have,they insist that gun owners are paranoid but then go on about blood in the streets if such and such passes (I know I know old hat for long term vets in this culture war but it should serve as a reminder,and as a clear blue print as far as what they have in store for us as well as our rights)

"In the weeks since George Zimmerman’s killing of Trayvon Martin, corporate America has been force fed a crash survey of public opinion on gun policy. Some of America’s most popular –and message-savvy — companies announced their swift verdict when they, and then the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC), withdrew support for the National Rifle Association’s paranoid, violent agenda.

ALEC’s abrupt abandonment of the conservative agenda’s gun plank wasn’t caused by sympathy for Trayvon or the 32 murdered by gunfire each day in America. ALEC’s corporate sponsors are a bottom line bunch, and for years were happy to push for NRA laws to force guns on college campuses, deprive cities of the authority to regulate guns, and, most notably, “Stand Your Ground” or “Shoot First, Ask Questions Later” laws that embolden and immunize killers.
Under the spotlight of America’s scrutiny, so glaring was the culpability of ALEC in implementing the gun lobby’s dark vision, that Coke and Pepsi, McDonald’s and Wendy’s, Kraft and Mars, Blue Cross and Bill Gates all reached the same conclusion: association with the NRA’s extremist agenda was toxic.
The message from ALEC’s decision is clear. When exposed to the light, the NRA's agenda becomes toxic. And Americans want nothing to do with those who conspire to bring about the gun lobby’s dangerous “guns everywhere” vision.

» Brady Exposes yet another dirty NRA bill by ALEC
» Read Brady President Dan Gross’s Blog"

May 23, 2012, 08:16 AM
insurrectionist rhetoric popular among some gun owners in the U.S., Like

Give me liberty or give me death.
Molon Labe.
Don't Tread on Me.
He who would trade liberty for some temporary security, deserves neither liberty nor security.
The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
That type of insurrectionist rhetoric? That's only popular with gun owners, and only with "some" of us?

How did Norway's strict gun laws help prevent their massacre--oh, wait, it didn't prevent; it probably made the attack easier.

No full autos [automatics], license to own a gun, permission to transport, limit on how many you can own, need to show a reason to own a gun no carry, etc ... All this did not stop a guy from carrying a 'handgun, automatic, and a shotgun' at a no-gun zone in Norway.

Source (

Pointless article. I think we might need to worry more about the next few SCOTUS nominations, rather than some new AWB.

May 23, 2012, 08:27 AM
Still though it pays to keep tabs on them,another old saying that I'm rather fond of "Keep your friends close but keep your enemies closer" it applies in spades with this subject wouldn't you say?

Anybody else that can stomach going to their roosting spot feel free to post any articles or snipets from the other side.

One thing that has stuck out more than the twisted logic,is the fact that for an organization for "The people" (which people they are talking about I have no clue) they really dislike open conversations about firearms laws,they only want one side presented as favorable (that being their side,I know nothing really new there right).

They calim to want "the people" to speak up,but offer no real way to do so on their site.

Even their youtube account has the comments disabled (Gee I wonder why)

May 23, 2012, 11:00 AM
Pfletch, I agree with your standpoint. Anyone who goes in with the mindset of "the 2A is my right, so the antis will never win" is not doing anything to keep 2A rights while the antis seek to change it. Our voice still needs to be there.

May 23, 2012, 06:23 PM
and more importantly,the more we know about them the better we can pick their arguments apart.

May 23, 2012, 06:54 PM
Just remember that you are never going to win an argument with a true anti. All you can do is try to convince some of the fencers that we're right.

I'm not saying our argument isn't better, but the true antis view the world so skewed that there is just no convincing them otherwise.

May 23, 2012, 08:55 PM
Yeah I know plenty about that (lived with an Anti-gun Gf for a year and a half...she was good looking....and that was all that was good about her).

May 23, 2012, 09:06 PM
The best way to know what your enemy is up to is to scout right sam?

Guess I'm getting soft. I don't consider "them" as the enemy. They are fellow Americans who have a different view than I do. They are entitled to work just as hard for their beliefs as you are for your beliefs.

I'll save the "enemy" rhetoric for those who wish to do harm to my country, my family or me.

May 23, 2012, 09:19 PM
I look at them as the enemy because their victory means trampling over the constitution and our rights by any means.

And those that feel the bill of rights (The 2A being their main target) are in need of repair,are nothing more than traitors in my book.

I will always see them for what they are,an enemy force no different than the Axis that were kicked across the south pacific and Europe back in the 40's.

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