Personal Armament


May 23, 2012, 09:32 AM
You guys see any holes?

Primary Rifle - AR15 : Service Rifle, 3 gun, HD.
Primary Service Handgun - STI 9mm 1911 : IDPA ESP, Steel Challenge
Secondary Service Handgun - Colt 45 ACP Combat Elite : CDP, Bowling Pins, HD
CCW - Colt 45 ACP ltwt Commander Wiley Clapp
CCW Backup - Smith 45 ACP 22-4 Thunder Ranch : IDPA SSR, ESR, Bowling Pins
BUG - Smith .38 K Frame 10-5 Snub : IDPA SSR, BUG gun.
Shotgun - Remington 870 Wingmaster : Hunting

Have 22lr uppers for the AR15 and 22lr conversions for the 1911s, and have several barrels for the Wingmaster, I THINK I might have all my bases covered.

Came into a LOT >for me< of money recently, so I am trying to figure out if I am missin anything.

Help me out guys, what have I missed as far as personal guns go?

Any glaring ommisions?

Will I see a big difference between hunting with Slugs vs hunting with a .458 SOCOM?

Ease of putting holes in pie plates wise?

Other than a AR based hunting gun, I feel like I have my bases covered.

Every boy in my house get an AR15 when he is born, so sticking with the AR15 line of guns pays huge dividends in my house... just FYI. Lots of scopes, red dots, sights etc to interchange.

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May 23, 2012, 10:22 AM
Looks good. But if you're thinking EOTWAWKI, a muzzleloader might be a prudent option. Fun too.

May 23, 2012, 10:26 AM
Not thinking EOTWAKI, I am thinking more along the lines of "Ok, I have enough, now time to just concentrate on getting good with what I have."

I have had a relationship with a gun store here that has let me buy stuff at a discount, so I have been taking advantage of it, but I am having a harder and harder time finding a "need".

I think I might just be done.

Biggest question I have is, will a .458 SOCOM have any hunting benefit over a sabot slug w/ rifled barrel shotgun?

May 23, 2012, 10:26 AM
I think every collection needs at least one bolt action in a common caliber like .308.

May 23, 2012, 10:28 AM
Problem with that is, .308 is outlawed hunting wise here in Indiana.

Has to be a pistol caliber or something really short like a .458 SOCOM

.357 Maximum is about as hot and flat as you can get here in this State.

May 23, 2012, 10:31 AM
I think .458 Socom is a bad idea for hunting in the lower 48 but that's just my opinion.:scrutiny:

May 23, 2012, 10:33 AM
Why do you think so Havoc? Ballistics too rainbowey?

Surely its better than my slug gun, although I dont know this for sure.

I admit I dont know much about it, I would be interested in hearing why, before I pull the trigger on an upper.

May 23, 2012, 10:35 AM
Indiana bolt action king for deer should be Ruger 44/77. My roommate in Iraq last year is from N. Indiana and got a great deal on one through gunbroker. You could still use .308 Win for "puppy hunting" under your weird laws, but .30-06 is the actual chambering ordained by God for use by enlightened mortals.

May 23, 2012, 11:01 AM
The .500 Magnum offers more than the .458 Socom, & its a pistol cartridge..........

May 23, 2012, 11:04 AM
Looks like you have all the bases covered; I especially like the M1911 platform with the .22LR conversion kits. The only thing I can think of is maybe something smaller in the BUG category. For me a J frame sized snubbie, like a S&W Model 642 or 638, would make for a more lightweight and concealable handgun than a K frame snubbie.

May 23, 2012, 11:13 AM
I thought so too Bannockburn, so I have carried a 642, Smith Bodygaurd 38, snub N frame .45 ACP, and a LCR.

In the end, I found out I must be different than everyone else, because I didnt find weight to be a big deal at all, and the guns were a LOT hard to shoot well.

At the end of a long day, I can find zero difference between a K frame snub and a J frame snub.

Either that or I just buy good belts. :confused:

I also hate pocket carry for any gun, so that might have something to do with it.

so I told the J frame, the smith bodygaurd, and bought a CHERRY model 10 with a Tyler grip like this.

Looks identical actually.

Carry it AIWB in a soft leather summer special, and it just dissapears beneath my gut fat.

The 1911 is on the strong side, IWB, and the mags on the weak.

but for just hanging around the house, picking up kids, living life... a 6 shot round edged bobbed K frame is just about perfect for me.

I just never realized the benefit of the small J frame for carry, and found it quite difficult to hang on to, and shoot the heavier loads from comfortably.

Also the trigger is better on the K frame, than even the LCR.

It was a rather expensive lesson to learn, but I learned it.

May 23, 2012, 11:15 AM
Of course there's a hole. Duh! I don't see a Glock on that list... ;) Everyone should own a G17 or one of it's cousins.

May 23, 2012, 11:25 AM
Any glaring ommisions?

A full power rifle. I know you can't hunt with it there, but why not have one?

May 23, 2012, 01:14 PM
Why do you think so Havoc? Ballistics too rainbowey?

Surely its better than my slug gun, although I dont know this for sure.

I admit I dont know much about it, I would be interested in hearing why, before I pull the trigger on an upper.
I think there are much more reasonable cartridges that are cheaper and more effective for hunting game. The .458 Socom will tear up meat that would otherwise be perfectly good. This is merely my opinion.

May 23, 2012, 01:28 PM
I did not know that.

My other options are .357, 44 mag, 45 colt, 454 Casull, and .357 max, as well as deer slugs.

What would you suggest would tear up less meat and be a better option?

My experiance is limited in this area, I have only hunted with 12 guage deer slugs.

May 23, 2012, 02:31 PM
I can only hunt in my region with 12 gauge slugs which are bigger than .458 obviously but they are also low velocity. Again I have no actual first hand use with .458 Socom but I know the rounds are expensive.

May 23, 2012, 03:21 PM
Another vote for a large(r) bore rifle for hunting - you might find yourself somewhere other than Indiana

Personally, I would add a dedicated clay target shotgun, as i find that a lot easier on the pocketbook and knees than all of the metallic stuff

May 23, 2012, 03:32 PM
If you're wedded to the AR platform, the .300 blackout might be a better choice than the .458 SOCOM. Of the other rounds you cite, a lever gun in .44 Mag, Marlin 1894, or the old Ruger Deerfield, would be great options for most game short of dangerous.

May 23, 2012, 04:38 PM
How about the Ruger bolt gun in .357 mag or .44 mag. Considering your situation it might be worth while and with the LeverEvolution Hornady ammo you can stretch your shots out there a good ways (like 150-175 yards) and it'll be far more accurate than a slug gun.

Elm Creek Smith
May 23, 2012, 06:26 PM
Don't see any "cowboy" guns, partner.


May 23, 2012, 06:54 PM
Dont see any military rifles, mabye you can pick up a Mauser 98k

May 23, 2012, 07:10 PM
Maybe I should start this in a new thread in the hunting section, but why would .308 be outlawed for hunting?

Steve CT
May 23, 2012, 07:57 PM
.357 Magnum revolver, maybe?

May 23, 2012, 09:11 PM
The .458 Socom will tear up meat that would otherwise be perfectly good.

You're averge high powered hunting rifle has greater potential to damage meat than the lumbering .458 Socom. But this is why we aim for the boiler room; Other than ribs, no meat there to tear up. Just vitals.

May 23, 2012, 09:16 PM
Me personally? I'd have a down and dirty AK variant/clone in the mix somewhere too....

May 23, 2012, 11:24 PM
Really, a round with the ballistics of a 45-70 is bad for the lower 48. I don't get it.:confused:

May 24, 2012, 05:32 AM
Many midwest states are shotgun only hunting or 'power restricted' due to high population density.

The laws/regs are set by the local division of wildlife, rather than the state legistalture or whatever.

May 24, 2012, 09:03 AM
Just off the top of my head, I think you've got too much. If, indeed, TEOTWAWKI occurs, you'll probably have to be moving around a lot --either by well-armed government decree, or to escape the unstoppable firestorms or ...whatever.

And if the "AWKI" part occurs, the situation may well decay to the point where you'd be better off with a flintlock rifle, where you could use matcheads for powder and marbles or even well-patched rocks for projectiles. There may not be much powder, brass, primers, bullets, and assembled ammo available for little old you.

However, that large an arsenal might allow you to buy into the ranks of a local warlord.

(Just feeling unusually realistic this morning.)

Terry, 230RN

May 24, 2012, 09:04 AM
While it may not have any practical value to you, there is nothing more powerful than your .223 on your list other than the shotgun.

I think every collection needs at least one bolt action in a common caliber like .308.
I agree. Something harder hitting, something long range, something with a can kill all those birds with one stone. Get a bolt .308 or something similar, or at least pick up a different upper for your AR. Or maybe just pick up a surplus battle rifle in some .30 caliber variety.

If hunting is not important and you want to remain somewhat tactical, perhaps the Ruger Gunsite Scout?

Old judge creek
May 25, 2012, 07:55 PM
I think you've pretty well covered a lot of possibilities, but "One Man's Meat is Another Man's Poison".

You drive a Chevy, he drives a Ford and I'm a Dodge man. We all have different taste and preferance. The majority of what you have (and I admit it covers your paradigm) is stuff I would not even consider having... NOT from quality standpoint, but rather from a utility/ versatility standpoint.

My list is full of lever action rifles. My 308s are a Ruger M77 RSI and an M1A SOCOM16. My handgun battery has two 45 ACPs (Glock 30 sf and a Kimber) and that's IT for semi-autos. I find wheel guns to be infinitely more versatile.

And if it really came down to it, I'd be well heeled with a Trapper Length Lever rifle and a matching caliber revolver. I've packed a combo like that, of an on, since the mid 1960s in some of the wildest places in the western hemisphere and it has served me well.

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