No more polly mags for the Army


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Sky
May 26, 2012, 01:32 PM
http://thisainthell.us/blog/?p=30126

Despite the success of the PMAG, Army officials from the TACOM Life Cycle Management Command issued a “safety of use message” in April that placed it, and all other polymer magazines, on an unauthorized list.

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dogmush
May 26, 2012, 02:00 PM
To be fair, that's not what the SOUM said. (And I got it direct from TACOM LCMC)

What it said was a description of the new updated mags, how to tell them apart from the older, and the interim mags that we have in the system, how to tell if the older mags are bad, and a reminder that ALL mags except for the three that are approved, are unauthorized. It's not a change, PMAGS have always been unauthorized and any units that bought them with GPC cards shouldn't have.

I know a bunch of folks have and use them, along with a ton of other accessories, but that doesn't make them authorized for use.

Sky
May 26, 2012, 02:11 PM
I know a bunch of folks have and use them, along with a ton of other accessories, but that doesn't make them authorized for use.

Glad to see somethings have not changed; we carried whatever worked for us and could get our hands on.

SilentStalker
May 26, 2012, 08:22 PM
Apparently, the gov has said that our troops are not to carry PMAGS anymore because they are not authorized for use despite their extreme proven reliability! What? That is so much BS! So, I wonder what the future of PMAGS will be for us!? Don't believe me, read below.

http://m.military.com/daily-news/2012/05/25/in-reversal-army-bans-high-performance-rifle-mags.html?ESRC=dod.nl

SilentStalker
May 26, 2012, 08:45 PM
Yep, I would use whatever works and what I could find despite being approved or not. I just wonder how this is going to fare for civilian sales?

shuvelrider
May 27, 2012, 11:00 AM
There is a whole pile of them for sale here at the Bagram PX, I believe around $12 each.

Ric
May 27, 2012, 09:33 PM
The God of Standardization

shuvelrider
May 27, 2012, 10:27 PM
I see a lot of add-on gadgets on the M4's over here, not to mention aftermarket slings and holsters for the M9. A unit can do a bulk purchase of after market add-on's, so much more is available now. The army does allow units to buy outside of the normal supply channels, using the unit budget of course.
I scored (free) a M1907 leather sling for my rifle (A2), prefer it over the cheap strap the army issues.

Maybe I'll go see if there is gonna be a price reduction on those mags, buy a few to send home.

postalnut25
May 28, 2012, 04:55 AM
I think the Bagram PX had the for $13.95 each when I was there :)

JShirley
May 28, 2012, 06:53 AM
Please remember that any links to articles should at the least say something substantive, along with at least a brief summary.

crossrhodes
May 28, 2012, 09:05 AM
If anything the msg will boost P-Mag sales. Operators lov'em, troops lov'em and all that use them lov'em.

SlamFire1
May 28, 2012, 09:16 AM
TACOM’s message authorizes soldiers to use the Army’s improved magazine

....the same issues started to occur: double feeds, rounds not feeding correctly so on and so on. While it seems to occur about half as often, it’s still not a great solution

The (improved) magazines still get bent at the opening and are still prone to getting crushed in the middle. I haven’t seen any issues like this with the PMAG due to the polymer casing. I have seen an empty PMAG get run over by a MaxPro [vehicle] and operated flawlessly later that week when we tested it at the range. Last time I saw this happen to a standard issue magazine, it was scrap metal after that.”


http://www.military.com/daily-news/2012/05/25/in-reversal-army-bans-high-performance-rifle-mags.html?ESRC=dod.nl


There is the issue. The Army's new and "improved magazine" is not better. So the Army is going to flush out all of those PMAG's out of service to avoid comparison.

Rule #1 of Government is keep the fat cats happy, Rule #2 of Government is minimize scandal.

It is scandalous that off the shelf items are working better than the “new and improved” magazines, which must have cost millions to develop and millions more to make. You have a prime contractor who has a huge financial stake in keeping their “new and improved magazine” in production and neither the Army nor the Prime want troops coming back saying there are better products.

You have got to learn, protecting the Prime Contractor is more important than protecting the troops.

Destructo6
May 28, 2012, 03:33 PM
That kind of nonsense goes in cycles. The official response to a complaint of the troops using non-official gear is, "Only use official gear." It's probably for CYA as much as anything.

The proper troop response should be, "Duly noted."

hso
May 28, 2012, 05:14 PM
The Army never "authorized" anything other than issue magazines.
Restating this position do discourage purchase of polymer magazines has to do with the logistical challenges of service and support for non-issue magazines

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