Gun Show Regulations (?)


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mrmeangenes
May 27, 2012, 11:06 AM
Was in discussion (elsewhere) this week, and a poster claimed there was still a "gun show loophole" , which the NRA approved of, and which Sen Lautenberg disapproved of and wanted to close.

My impression is any "loopholes" have long since been closed, and gun shows are attended by almost as many undercover cops as regular customers.

Can anyone update me on a subject probably "old hat" to most of you ??

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DammitBoy
May 27, 2012, 11:24 AM
There is no gunshow loophole.

If you are buying from a dealer at a gunshow, you must do a background check.

If you buy from a private citizen anywhere, face to face - there is no legal requirement to sell private property from one citizen to another.

NavyLCDR
May 27, 2012, 11:53 AM
If you buy from a private citizen anywhere, face to face - there is no legal requirement to sell private property from one citizen to another.

That depends entirely upon state law, especially in regards to firearms. In many states (such as Pennsylvania and California) private sales of firearms, usually handguns only, must still go through an FFL or a special background check.

The imaginary "gun show loophole" is, though, a term used to erroneously describe private party sales of firearms between same state residents of states that do allow the free transfer of firearms between private parties with no dealer or background check.

DammitBoy
May 27, 2012, 11:55 AM
You are correct, I amend my statement to only include the free states.

psyopspec
May 27, 2012, 12:21 PM
"Gun show loophole" is a term anti-gunners invented in order to make all sales go through an FFL. A given sale is either legal, or illegal. If your state law allows you to do a private face-to-face sale with no paperwork, and you go to a gun show or a Wal Mart parking lot and make that kind of exchange, you haven't gone through a loophole of any kind. Instead, you abided by the law every step of the way.

What they call a loophole, I just call legal.

beatledog7
May 27, 2012, 01:01 PM
Loophole: moniker one applies to a specific point of law that makes legal some activity which that person cannot or will not use himself.

JVaughn
May 27, 2012, 01:24 PM
That so called "loophole" is the only reason I go to the shows in my area. In fact, I refuse to buy from a dealer at a show, if I wanted to go through a background check and pay $10 for the privelige, I would have just gone to the store in the first place.

M2
May 27, 2012, 01:43 PM
There should also be a "IHOP Loop" as I've bought guns in the parking lot of our local International House of Pancakes without having to go through a FFL! :eek:

Of course, I live in a state that respects the Second Amendment!

God Bless Texas!

zoom6zoom
May 27, 2012, 02:33 PM
There is no gunshow loophole.
and never was.

If you sell your car to someone else, does that make you an "unlicensed dealer"? Of course not.

mrmeangenes
May 27, 2012, 06:03 PM
I know Lautenberg has always been a fanatic .

Thanks for the info !

arizona98tj
May 27, 2012, 06:16 PM
"Gun show loophole" is a term anti-gunners invented in order to make all sales go through an FFL.

My take on that.... "Gun show loophole" is a term anti-gunners invented to attempt to shut down gun shows. It has little, if anything, to do with the FFLs....heck, they might even like it....more $$ for them from transfer fees.

Texan Scott
May 27, 2012, 07:30 PM
LMAO ... picturing Sara Brady's face listening to any conversation beginning with "So I was buyin' an AK in the parkin' lot at IHOP...." hahahahahahaha!

GOD BLESS TEXAS, indeed!

Spats McGee
May 27, 2012, 10:58 PM
As others have pointed out, there is no gun show loophole.

In the case of in-state sales, either a particular sale:

1) is a sale in which an FFL is the seller, in which case federal law requires a NICS check; or

2) is a private sale, in which case federal law does not require a NICS check.

The above rules apply whether the sale takes place at a gun show, a car show, IHOP, or at the seller's house. Sales across state lines are a different matter altogether.

Coyote3855
May 28, 2012, 06:54 PM
I attended a gun show in Colorado over the weekend. Paperwork required regardless of the seller. I don't know if this is a Colorado law or Tanner Gun Show policy.

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