Used gun market after the election.


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Owen Sparks
May 28, 2012, 12:35 PM
Something tells me that if the Republicans win big in November that there will be a bunch of AR's on the used gun market. Millions of guys went out and bought these during the 'Obama panic'. After the elections they may realize that they have $1000 tied up in a rifle that they only shot a few times and now want a Harley or an ATV or whatever and will sell their rifle now that they know it can be replaced.

There will be some sweet deals for the rest of us.

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GEM
May 28, 2012, 12:38 PM
Google Romney's view on assault rifles. Keep them - you bought them for a RKBA purpose. If you sell them for a boy toy like a motorcycle, you don't understand the RKBA, at all.

marksman13
May 28, 2012, 12:40 PM
I don't know if I buy into that theory. I think there will be some people that do that, but gun makers have done a really good job of showing the versatility of the AR15 platform. I think we will continue to see sales increase as the AR15 becomes the 03-A3 or M1 Garand of it's generation.

jmr40
May 28, 2012, 12:50 PM
There won't be a mass sell off. Guys found that like AR's. They will be keep and enjoy using them

wyohome
May 28, 2012, 12:51 PM
I remember the Y2K panic and the millions of generators sold. I expected to pick up a good never used one for half price or so after the lights did not go out. They never hit the market that I saw...maybe the same thing here.

beatledog7
May 28, 2012, 12:58 PM
ARs have grown steadily in popularity, and that trend is not going to change. If anything, folks who held off buying one because they thought they might be outlawed will run out and get one.

ol' scratch
May 28, 2012, 01:36 PM
I don't see it happening. There may be cheaper ammo due to the fact that people will realize they don't need 6000 rounds of (insert caliber here).

JimStC
May 28, 2012, 01:42 PM
Just saying, I don't care who is Prez, I won't sell my AR's and I have more than 1 but less than 10:D unless you count the barrels. I also have three calibers. They can't compete with my bolt rifles for long distance applications but they are quite effective inside 200-300 yards.

sirgilligan
May 28, 2012, 01:53 PM
I got a good new generator after Y2K at Sams Club. About half the price it was just weeks before.

The Right to Keep and Bear Arms has one fundamental part that we all must do, the KEEP part.

I was asked to make my Gun Log app available to the UK app store. Why? Because over there they have to track their firearm usage and make a report to submit. Why? Because if you don't use the firearm some minimum amount, you lose the privilege, because they do not have the right. So, I made a special UK report for him and put it on the store.

It is hard to guess with inflation, and the buying power of the dollar to the Euro, etc., to know if gun prices will soften after Romney wins the election or not. Since I believe Romney is a states rights guy I think you better worry about your states view on firearms more than Romney's view. I listened to all of Romney's speach at the NRA convention (couldn't make it this year) and I believe what he said. Listen to it if you haven't.

I do not think the ammo will be cheaper. I have to get some facts straight but I have heard that the current administration has made some deal where US ammo manufacturers did not get military contracts and they went to the UK. If so, then I see ammo prices going up.

If you think Romney will lose and you want to buy before the election, I think that is wise. I am not sure how big a jump in prices is possible with the available cash / spending power of the average US citizen right now being on the low side of things.

For the older ones on the forum, if you didn't get ready in the Clinton years, shame on you. For the new generation that are having to prepare and start out new, well, exercise your right as soon as you can. I put it in this priority of expenses (which of course will not be agreeable to all):
1) Good Education for a Career
2) Avoid Debt like a plague
3) Find a hard working, thrifty, low up-keep spouse that has common sense and no debt
4) Get some food, water, and supplies
5) Get a firearm

I just come up with that really quick, so I have probably missed something important. But the point is, exercise the right and KEEP a weapon.

M2
May 28, 2012, 02:05 PM
AR prices have been dropping steadily over the past couple of years, whereas AK prices have been on the climb over the past six months or so.

Whereas the Kalashnikov was always an inexpensive alternative to Eugene Stoner's creation, it's gotten to the point where an entry-level AR can easily be found cheaper than a basic AK!

But I do suspect we'll see a drop after January, the same thing happened in 2008 and no matter who gets elected/re-elected this time around, it's likely the pre-election paranoia will have been for naught.

It's all just a question as to how long it will take those who over-paid for their firearms to come to the realization that what they paid for them is not what they're worth! :scrutiny:

Cheers! M2

krupparms
May 28, 2012, 02:21 PM
After the election I do not see fokes selling off their guns . Here in South Or. we just lost the JO. County S.D.. The sales of guns is up along with the crime rate! It will get worse & unless there are some big changes it will be much worse! The people have lost faith in the justice system in D.C. & LOCALLY! At this point I see most keeping their guns & getting more if they can along with ammo! Also up is the number of CCPs being applied for &LGS are not complaining! They cannot get a lot of the guns people order &you have to wait for B.O.s. Just my opinion. Happy Memorial Day &Please remember those who gave it to us!

Owen Sparks
May 28, 2012, 03:24 PM
A lot of people who bought AR type rifles during the 'Obama panic' are really not gun people and have not fired a shot shot since right after they bought them. I have a relitive who bought an AK type rifle who has NEVER even fired it. It is still in the box. I know because I am storing it in my safe for him because his wife thinks it is dangerous around the children and she made him get it out of the house.

There could be some really good deals for those of us who are shooters.

JimStC
May 28, 2012, 03:33 PM
Owen,
Your experience may be representative of the buying public, but I doubt it.
Seriously, how many first time (or even second or third time) gun buyers are going to buy an AR/AK? I expect, not many. They are going to buy snub something and feel well protected. May step up to a shot gun or a semi, but a black rifle, I doubt it. There is normally a steep learning curve to move from a point and shoot to a more sophisticated weapon. Just my experience......

Jim

Walkalong
May 28, 2012, 03:56 PM
Lots of new to the AR owners in the last few years, but as posted, most like them, and will keep them, especially if they paid too much.

hso
May 28, 2012, 04:07 PM
Owen,

That may be the case in some places and it may be that YOU or a few others will find a great deal from someone that needs the money to pay debts, but there are 2 significant factors that mean the rest of us may not be so "lucky" as to profit from some delayed buyer's remorse. The first has already been mentioned, AR popularity has grown. The second is uncertainty. People hold onto what they can unless forced to sell when they're uncertain. There's a lot of uncertainty still and until you see an economic rebound that everyone recognizes that uncertainty will keep people from selling at a loss one thing they view as a means of keep uncertainty away.

As to, it's gotten to the point where an entry-level AR can easily be found cheaper than a basic AK!, basic AKs are $450-$500 at every gun show around here while basic ARs are $700-$750. If you're paying $700 locally for basic AKs please let me know so I can direct some of my friends that produce/sell AKs to your community. If you're finding entry-level ARs for $450 please let me know so I can pick up a few.

spotch
May 28, 2012, 05:23 PM
There might be a drop in new buyers if republicans win but i don't see a lot of ar owners selling.

BadaBing11
May 28, 2012, 05:59 PM
I recently bought an AR in anticipation of the potential for Obama re -election.

I took it out to shoot and I enjoyed it so much, I doubt I will ever part with it. I am amazed how much I enjoy shooting this gun. I am considering getting a .22 upper so it will be more affordable.

I am currently obsessing over all the customization options I might consider.

Best regards,

Jeff

Walkalong
May 28, 2012, 06:04 PM
obsessing over all the customization optionsIt's not called the "barbie doll for men" for no reason.

You will love a .22 upper (http://cmmginc.secure-mall.com/item/16-Light-Weight-Upper-1804), or conversion unit (http://www.midwayusa.com/product/240939/cmmg-rimfire-conversion-kit-ar-15-with-26-round-magazine-22-long-rifle-matte) for your upper, and can shoot all day for cheap.

BSA1
May 28, 2012, 06:11 PM
After the election we will have a anti-gun President.

"These guns are not made for recreation or self-defense. They are instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people. Romney 2004

Walkalong
May 28, 2012, 06:12 PM
A couple of posts went away. We have friends and enemies on both sides of the isle. Until either candidate actually does something on guns, let's not guess, despite some clues they left along the way.

Let's stay on the question at hand. Will gun prices change right away depending on who wins.

jmorris
May 28, 2012, 06:22 PM
Will gun priceschange right away depending on who wins. No, they won't. Just like a gas station, they raise their price as soon as gas prices hint of going up (with full ground tanks). If prices drop, they do not adjust until next time they have to buy.

Balrog
May 28, 2012, 06:34 PM
A couple of posts went away. We have friends and enemies on both sides of the isle. Until either candidate actually does something on guns, let's not guess, despite some clues they left along the way.

Now, I would have thought that Mitt Romney's Assault Weapon Ban which he signed into law in Massachussetts would qualify as "actually does something", but maybe thats just me.

larryh1108
May 28, 2012, 06:44 PM
I personally feel that the people who were "nervous" the first time around went out and took care of business already. They bought the guns, rifles and/or ammo that put them at a comfort level. The hard core gun guys, like us, are ahead of the game. The flash-in-the-pans went out and bought the trendy AR or 1911 or cute, pocket pistol and they are sitting, unshot, wherever they keep them. I don't see any of the "panic" buying that occured last election except for a few knee-jerk people caught by surprise. I feel that the ones who consume the most have already consummed, IMO of course.

Ala Dan
May 28, 2012, 06:56 PM
Here in Jefferson County, AL (metro Birmingham area), the budget calls for a
reduction of force; thus effecting all Jeff Co deputies. The cuts run deep, and
leave a total of only 50 deputies, scattered over 3 shifts to run the county jail
and provide patrols for the area. In case you did not know, Jefferson County is
Alabama's largest county (area and population wise); and has the highest crime
rate in the state~! I do not see the OP's prediction of persons selling off their
AR's, AK's, nor any serviceable-workable handgun~! ;) :D

MagnumDweeb
May 28, 2012, 08:15 PM
If gun prices go down I'd be surprised no matter who gets elected. The buying bug is out there and folks are catching it left and right. Every time I get an itch to take a $1,000 down to the local gunshow and buy some used goodies I resist holding out for the days after the election as prices are somewhat inflated it seems. The first gunshow after the election I plan on taking a few grand with me down to the gunshow and seeing if I can't find some real deals (no retail purchases, just normal folks with hard cases).

LemmyCaution
May 30, 2012, 10:44 AM
If there is a surfeit of firearms on the market after the election, my guess is that it will have far more to do with a plummeting economy than it will the politics of gun control.

I'll hold back my opinions about what electoral outcome might cause such an economic crisis.

jmorris
May 30, 2012, 10:51 AM
I personally feel that the people who were "nervous" the first time around went out and took care of business already. there are always "first timers". The same thing that happened with the last election happened when Clinton was elected.

ApacheCoTodd
May 30, 2012, 11:16 AM
Yup. Being in the industry, we saw a monster ebb tide in both firearms and ammo and to a lesser degree, accessories after Y2K fizzled. I figure it'll only be a matter of to what degree and not whether or not there's a "flood".

This current epic buying frenzy won't be maintained regardless of politics, Mayans, the U.N. or bath salts inspired zombie attacks.

I do figure - having watched this industry for so long - that after an individual's own reasonable amount of firearms have been purchased, the best money spent is on quality ammunition and magazines/clips.

95XL883
May 30, 2012, 02:35 PM
Hmmm? I don't think prices will drop much, if at all. I'm sure there will be a few who have to sell and consequently someone will get a great deal but I don't think it will be more common than right now.

I'm one of those guys who went and bought a gun shortly after Obama was elected. I hadn't held, let alone fired, my 22 rifle or 22 revolver, for many years. My anti-gun wife was nervous about Obama and TEOTWAWKI, we had a gun store as a client, therefore I bought a S&W model 60. My wife still hasn't fired it, but she has designated it to go to her son from her first marriage. Since that 357, I've purchased multiple handguns and a Marlin 336. :) And now I'm considering an AR-15 and reloading equipment. I average a once a month range trip. Two of my boys go with me regularly. I've given a 22 revolver to my two boys from my first marriage. One shoots it regularly and now wants a lever rifle. The other has never fired his but he won't give it up. As he is moving to CO for the outdoor life, my bet is he will be asking for advice in a couple of years. The guys I know who bought a gun and haven't fired it don't regret the purchase at all. They are anxious to fire it, they just haven't taken the time. A co-worker's son wanted to shoot so I took him and his dad and let them fire mine. The young man now has a 10/22 and another range trip is being planned.

My point in this long diatribe is yeah, some guys buy a gun and haven't fired it but I suspect they all bought them really because they wanted a gun. It will just take them a while to fire it. I fired mine right away, fire it regularly, carry it, bought more, introduced others to shooting and look forward to reloading and some hunting. I'm not unique. It doesn't take too many like me to keep the sport growing. Overall, I don't think prices will go down.

Sniper66
May 30, 2012, 03:20 PM
Some of the enthusiasm for gun buying is clearly out of fear of losing the privilege. I hear that sentiment at every gun show I attend; much more than in the past. But, what I hear much more is a growing interest in shooting sports. Historically gun owners were mostly hunters and if you didn't hunt, you had no interest in guns. Not so these days. Most of my friends who are shooters are, in fact, not hunters. They like range shooting and the comfort of having some form of home protection. Many are discovering that guns are fun and can be fun for the whole family.

FROGO207
May 30, 2012, 06:29 PM
IMHO the used gun market will be the best after the holiday season around here. The credit card bills from the holidays arrive, the fuel tank is low, and work slows down somewhat about then. You have to eat and keep warm in your home and your income tax check is not back yet. So what can you do to get the cash to pay your debt down some?? Sell that rifle for now and buy another next summer with the expected spare cash you will probably have is the usual.:banghead: Well life usually gets in the way of grand plans and that replacement firearm never gets purchased by most. I will buy a firearm from a friend and hold it with the agreement that they can buy it back at the same price if done within a year. Even with no interest and a reasonable cost sadly this buyback seldom happens. :( So the election outcome having a difference on firearm prices-------sorry, I don't think any big difference at all.:scrutiny:

splithoof
May 30, 2012, 06:36 PM
If only we could buy all the AR's from the property room. I know that many that I've seen were stolen from casual buyers who were not shooters, only folks buying because of some perceived need due to an election. Sad part is that the ones with no reports filed eventually get shoveled into the smelter.

pat701
May 30, 2012, 06:40 PM
Rommey is no fan of firearms, so i see no selloff.

YJake
May 30, 2012, 06:50 PM
Business was good in 2008. I suspect sales will jump in July through January of next year before settling back down again. However, I do not expect sales to be as high as they were in 2008, I had people buying 500rnd bricks of .22lr for $35 in 2008. :what:

-Jake

pharmer
May 30, 2012, 09:03 PM
Romney may be no friend of the 2ndA, but on a national stage he will behave like an "American." If Obama wins, panic will ensue on a greater scale than in '08. He's already ground a keen edge on his axe (metaphor) and admitted to a (real)"kill list." Joe

Owen Sparks
May 30, 2012, 09:33 PM
Romney may not be one of us, but he has stated that if elected he will not sign any more gun legislation. After all, he needs us when he runs for a second term.

Hossfly68
May 30, 2012, 09:46 PM
I would imagine that there are also a few people like me who didn't panic buy in 2008, and had never shot an AR until a few months ago. I found out that I REALLY enjoyed it and have been researching and learning everything I can about them lately. I've seen prices ranging from $700 all the way up to $2600.
I don't think the wife would survive the shock if I walked in with the $2600 rifle and the way our finances are right now (16 year old daughter getting a car), I have a feeling she'd shoot me with it even if I brought home the $700 rifle. But I'm still looking and learning. There will eventually be one around at the right price.

exavid
May 31, 2012, 12:50 AM
I don't expect to see a flood of used guns if the worst happens next November. Romney might not be a great friend of gun owners but Obama is an avowed enemy of the 2nd. I don't think Romney will be making gun control a major goal of his administration but I do believe Obama will be once the gloves are off if he's re-elected.

rajb123
May 31, 2012, 06:05 PM
Mitt has never owned guns and there is no record of him ever buying a hunting license.

He is more liberal than obama.

Therefore, he is likely to be a gun grabber.

Besides, he cannot win.

GEM
May 31, 2012, 06:14 PM
I actually don't expect to see major gun legislation from either. Obama may squeak in and wouldn't want to set up the next person for defeat.

Given the paralyzed nature of Congress, a major bill couldn't make it today or in the future. The usual suspects will rant and we must be on guard. However, the strong progun lobby buffers against serious attempts to propose strong antilegislation. The power brokers know that extreme positions lead to defeat - as may happen to Mitt due to his adopting some more extreme base rhetoric. If you like his rhetoric, that's your right, but I'm being practical.

I know it's fun to get all excited but that's my calculated view of the future.

Certainly the UN driven, blue helmet on your street confiscation has been terminated by Heller and McDonald, if it was ever a possibility.

However, Bloomberg is coming for your big gulp and Slurpee. Beware!

exavid
May 31, 2012, 08:22 PM
A couple of points. First Obama is a socialist believing in redistributing wealth. Romney is a successful businessman. Those two facts prove that Obama is a hell of a lot more liberal than Romney. If anyone thinks Romney can't win I'd recommend not betting on the upcoming election. It's beginning to look like a major upset coming.
As for Obama not taking major action against gunowners if he's re-elected, he's already said he will. He's already said there's no need for civilians to have semi-automatic weapons. He's stated he has to work "under the radar" on gun control until he gets past the election.
He doesn't need to get any new laws through Congress either. The EPA, BATF and all of those nice little outfits are part of the Executive branch and for that reason are directly under Obama's command. Try shooting much if the EPA blocks all lead ammo, makes it difficult to buy ammunition, or declares gunpowder or primers to cause air pollution. It can happen. Anyone who doesn't vote because they're sure Obama will win is a damn fool.

Romeo 33 Delta
May 31, 2012, 08:32 PM
Remember, whoever gets elected, it's only for 4 years ... then the problem starts all over again. Trouble is ... it never ends! Keep you guns, you ammo, your necessaries ... you just might need them someday.

kimbershot
May 31, 2012, 08:39 PM
buy ammo, reloading press, components and dies and keep your eyes open for gun deals.:evil:

Walkalong
May 31, 2012, 08:52 PM
And we'll end on that note.

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