Flying to Chicago. Carry or no carry.


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coolluke01
May 30, 2012, 10:47 PM
UPDATE
The vehicle in Chicago fell through. We will now be heading for Ohio the following weekend. We will fly into Hopkins and drive to Chicago to stay with friends and drive the last 9 hours the next day. Does this change anything? Is it any better to fly into Ohio?
I know that we would still have to drive through Chicago. A handgun can be possessed in Chicago, it just has to be unloaded and stored separate from the gun, right?


I'm flying to Chicago with my wife this weekend to pick up a vehicle and see some friends. I would rather not check anything and I know checking a handgun takes more time and can be a hassle.

I also know that carrying in IL is not an option. But we will be driving for a while with many stops, food, gas, bathroom (3 month pregnant wife). I'm thinking I'll just have to forgo carrying on this trip.

It just kinda bugs me. I can't even bring a knife unless I check a bag. We will be flying into O'Hare and dealing with luggage would be a hassle.

Am I missing something? Would it be easier than I think? We will be staying with friends who are cool with guns. He's a airline Pilot who carries in the cockpit. He deals with different security when he flies so it's not really an issue for him.

Anyone have any insight?

Anyone in Chicago want to lend me a handgun for the trip back? lol

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TimeIsRunninOut
May 30, 2012, 11:34 PM
I know this might sound crazy, but maybe ship your pistol to an FFL in another state that you are going to be passing through immediately following IL. I know the idea might be a little uneasy, but it is better than being unarmed. Just a heads up some FFL's offer a discount for CCW permit holders, LEO and military personnel. Maybe someone here is an FFL and is willing to help can't hurt to call and/or ask.

osprey176
May 31, 2012, 12:51 AM
I am not familiar with Chicago's handgun laws,but they are known as one of the most anti-gun cities in the country.You better do some serious research before bringing a handgun into that city.I would check state,county and city laws.The McDonald case overturned the city's long standing ban on handguns,but you don't want to be the next poster child for overzealous enforcement of incredibly stupid anti gun laws.You may want to bring a shotgun,or skip the trip altogether.

WaywardSon
May 31, 2012, 02:17 AM
As far as the process of flying with a handgun checked in your luggage...it was quite simple a couple of years ago. May have changed. I would call the airline & ask about the procedure. I simply had to have the gun in an approved case, locked in my checked in bag. When at the counter I filled out a short form & was sent to the end of the counter to wait for someone to come inspect things. Five minutes later I was done. They just checked to see that I had what I said I did and that it was properly stored.

Just pick up your baggage like everyone else on the other end & move on. Follow Illinois law on the transit of weapons in a vehicle to the letter & enjoy your trip. Get out of Illinois as soon as possible:-)

leadcounsel
May 31, 2012, 03:14 AM
I recently was 'stripped' of my rights in a similar fashion visiting Boston... hated it. But since it's basically illegal to possess a gun there, I left mine at home.

I try to avoid visiting anti-free states as much as I can. I have no answer for you about Illinois, other than check out handgunlaws.com or similar sites. I doubt you can possess it there, and if you can, it would have to have small magazines and be unloaded and locked away... but at least maybe you could have it in your hotel at night...

Old Guy
May 31, 2012, 04:51 AM
I know this might sound crazy, but maybe ship your pistol to an FFL in another state that you are going to be passing through immediately following IL. I know the idea might be a little uneasy, but it is better than being unarmed. Just a heads up some FFL's offer a discount for CCW permit holders, LEO and military personnel. Maybe someone here is an FFL and is willing to help can't hurt to call and/or ask.

Not a bad idea, might be doable. I have enough Glocks I could risk one!

I spent 10 days in IL, 3 years ago! Never felt so naked.

Lawdawg45
May 31, 2012, 06:25 AM
Luke, if you must enter the People's Republic of Illinois, maybe consider a one way rental car and carry concealed? I once posed a similar question to a friend of mine who is a CPD Detective about a family member traveling there, and his exact words were "carry anyway, at least you'll be alive to be prosecuted!";)

LD

Sam1911
May 31, 2012, 07:05 AM
I know this might sound crazy, but maybe ship your pistol to an FFL in another state that you are going to be passing through immediately following IL.
This is not a lawful possibility.

No FFL may transfer a handgun to any person outside of that person's home state.

You may ship your firearm TO YOURSELF in care of another person in your destination state, but sending to an FFL will not work. They simply cannot log it in and then log it out to you.

mg.mikael
May 31, 2012, 10:21 AM
Am I missing something? Would it be easier than I think? We will be staying with friends who are cool with guns. He's a airline Pilot who carries in the cockpit. He deals with different security when he flies so it's not really an issue for him.


Take it from somebody that's lived in Illinois all their life, currently lives in the Chicagoland, and does business in the city on a daily basis(all without a gun believe it or not)......just take a breath and relax.

Sounds to me like you'll be staying in a nice neighborhood(considering your friends a pilot) and since your just visiting, relax and try to see some of the sites if you can. If you haven't been downtown to Millennium Park definitely head down there see the 'Bean', check out the new addition to the Art Musuem(worth seeing, done by architect Renzo Piano) and take a nice walk to the shore line. Relax and have a great time.

PabloJ
May 31, 2012, 01:25 PM
I'm flying to Chicago with my wife this weekend to pick up a vehicle and see some friends. I would rather not check anything and I know checking a handgun takes more time and can be a hassle.

I also know that carrying in IL is not an option. But we will be driving for a while with many stops, food, gas, bathroom (3 month pregnant wife). I'm thinking I'll just have to forgo carrying on this trip.

It just kinda bugs me. I can't even bring a knife unless I check a bag. We will be flying into O'Hare and dealing with luggage would be a hassle.

Am I missing something? Would it be easier than I think? We will be staying with friends who are cool with guns. He's a airline Pilot who carries in the cockpit. He deals with different security when he flies so it's not really an issue for him.

Anyone have any insight?

Anyone in Chicago want to lend me a handgun for the trip back? lol
I would pack can of mace into luggage destined for cargo compartment. I know many European-Americans are very paranoid but chances that something bad will happen to you in Chicago is very low. Unfortunately those chances improve when you strap on a handgun.

NavyLCDR
May 31, 2012, 01:32 PM
I know many European-Americans are very paranoid but chances that something bad will happen to you in Chicago is very low.

However, those chances of something bad happening in Chicago are higher than 99.5% of the rest of America.

I know this might sound crazy, but maybe ship your pistol to an FFL in another state that you are going to be passing through immediately following IL. I know the idea might be a little uneasy, but it is better than being unarmed.

This is a very common MYTH. It would be illegal for the FFL to transfer the handgun to a resident of a different state, even if that person is the original owner of the gun. The best that could be hoped for would be that the receiving FFL would ship the handgun back to an FFL in the owner's state of residence, for the appropriate fee, of course. And then the owner would have to return to their home state and pay the second FFL their fee for transfer back to them.

C0untZer0
May 31, 2012, 02:00 PM
The Illinois Supreme Court ruled on 10/8/2009 (Docket # 106367) that the Center Console of a vehicle was a case and a firearm could be carried in the closed Center Console.

http://www.state.il.us/court/opinions/supremecourt/2009/october/106367.pdf

People v. Holmes, Ill. Supreme Court, Docket # 109130, Opinion filed 4/7/11. The defendant owner/driver of a motor vehicle, an Indiana resident who had been issued a carry license by his home state, was stopped by Chicago police officers for a traffic violation. Pursuant to a search, a 9 mm handgun was recovered from a backseat armrest of the car. The Court noted that “[t]he armrest separated the two back seats and contained a storage compartment that closed with a latch. The compartment could be folded up into the seat or left in a down position.

Illinois State Supreme Court found for the defendant in this case.

http://www.state.il.us/court/opinions/SupremeCourt/2011/April/109130.pdf

On the other hand - this poor guy was charged with Aggravated Unlawfull use of a Weapon for transporting his firearm on a Greyhound bus.

While Greyhound has rules prohibiting transporting firearms on their buses, no one has been able to figure out how this man broke Illinois state law:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-nevada-man-arrested-after-telling-greyhound-security-he-did-have-weapons-20120415,0,5025257.story

It's sad that this bail for this man was set at $50,000

Conversley, an actual criminal - Devell M. Johnson had been arrested on a weapon's charge and only had $25K bail. While he was free on bail he murdered a 2year old girl.


http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-armaney-cotton-2-year-old-girl-murder-devell-johnson,0,5234655.story

Johnson had been free on $25,000 bail in connection with a Sept. 17, 2011 arrest, his first arrest on serious charges, according to court records. Previous misdemeanor charges dating back to 2006 against Johnson had all been dismissed or dropped. Last year, police arrested Johnson about 2:30 a.m. on the sidewalk in the 1000 block of West Addison Street, in possession of a handgun, according to police and court records.

After he made bail in the gun case, Johnson was again arrested on Oct. 11 about 2:20 p.m. in an alley in the 4700 block of North Sheridan Road, according to court records. Johnson pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor charge of unlawfully possessing a blackjack, served two days in jail and paid a $250 fine, according to police and court records. He was scheduled to appear in court in connection with the gun charge on May 19.


Chicago is tough on law abiding gun owners, easy on violent criminals.




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Fiv3r
May 31, 2012, 02:03 PM
I keep a few non/less than lethal defense tools around just for the cases where I can't carry a firearm or my permit does not apply. Checking any of them is never an issue for me as my wife does not pack light enough so that we can fly without having to check a bag or two:rolleyes:

I usually pack a TASER C2 in areas where they are allowed. Sure, I would rather be packing a handgun, but at least a TASER gives me SOME range. Of course, what do you know, IL restricts stun guns of all types:rolleyes: Even California isn't that crazy.

Recently, a customer and friend of mine gave me a free sample of the new pepper spray line that Ruger currently offers. He's a rep for the company who manufacturers the spraying system, and offered me one to try out. I have to say, it's pretty cool. In addition to the pepper spray, when you draw it from the belt clip holster (kinda looks like an old school beeper) it has a strobing LED and a 120db alarm that shrieks bloody murder. Personally, I think I'll pick up one that doesn't have the extra doodads on it for personal carry and give the one he gave me to my wife. I like the idea of her pulling out the spray while a ton of attention is drawn to her. It's not the best option, but at least its SOMETHING.

But yeah, going places with out my gun makes me feel jay-bird naked. Good luck to you:)

C0untZer0
May 31, 2012, 02:40 PM
BTW legislation was introduced to allow carry of a taser:

http://ilga.gov/legislation/billstatus.asp?DocNum=5649&GAID=11&GA=97&DocTypeID=HB&LegID=66121&SessionID=84

It's tied up by the Chicago political machine in rules committee right now.

Loosedhorse
May 31, 2012, 02:55 PM
I recently was 'stripped' of my rights in a similar fashion visiting Boston... hated it. But since it's basically illegal to possess a gun there, I left mine at home.I think this is the correct attitude, IMHO. FOPA doesn't protect you if IL is your destination and you don't have an IL FOID. I wouldn't even try landing in Chicago and driving with cased guns to my final non-IL, legal-to-have-a-firearm-there state (even though that's FOPA-covered) unless I had a passel of lawyers in my carry-on.

MCgunner
May 31, 2012, 05:16 PM
Luke, if you must enter the People's Republic of Illinois, maybe consider a one way rental car and carry concealed? I once posed a similar question to a friend of mine who is a CPD Detective about a family member traveling there, and his exact words were "carry anyway, at least you'll be alive to be prosecuted!"

Or as we used to say down here in Texas before GW freed us....better judged by 12 than carried by 6.

jimbo555
May 31, 2012, 06:13 PM
I don't fly anywhere! If I can't drive there i don't go.I say drive there and back and take what you please!

TimeIsRunninOut
May 31, 2012, 07:16 PM
Sorry for my lack of knowledge in the shipping and transportation department, I have learned something new and am sorry for the misunderstanding.

jon_in_wv
May 31, 2012, 07:41 PM
You don't need to ship the firearm to an FFL because you are not transferring ownership of the weapon. You can ship it to your friends house with your name on it. As long as you are shipping to yourself it is perfectly legal.

larryh1108
May 31, 2012, 09:11 PM
As a 50+ year resident of IL, all I can say is do not bring a firearm along. It sucks, yes. IL and especially Chicago are very strict about handguns and non-residents. Yes, if you are traveling THRU IL, you can follow the federal laws to a tee but if you stop and stay anywhere in IL you will risk losing your right to possess and/or carry everywhere in the country. It is not worth the risk. You are gambling all of your firearms and the right to own in any state, not just IL. A felony firearm conviction will ruin your life.

zoom6zoom
May 31, 2012, 09:49 PM
Leave it at home, unless you want to to take the chance of stay in IL a lot longer than you had planned upon.

Warp
May 31, 2012, 10:34 PM
I would bring luggage.

That is what I do.

I have to go to Chicago from time to time myself. I don't like it, it is a seriously corrupt armpit that needs to fall into the lake, but I still check luggage and bring my 'stuff'.

Tallbald
May 31, 2012, 11:28 PM
Do what I do. Visit via National Geographic ONLY. Same goes for anywhere my Kentucky CCW is not honored, since I have no use for even beautiful and interesting places ruled by those who do not trust me as does my home state. Don

Warp
May 31, 2012, 11:28 PM
Do what I do. Visit via National Geographic ONLY. Same goes for anywhere my Kentucky CCW is not honored, since I have no use for even beautiful and interesting places ruled by those who do not trust me as does my home state. Don

Unfortunately for some people that just isn't an option.

rhodco
June 1, 2012, 01:17 AM
Same problem when summoned for jury duty. Can't carry into the court house. Can't even carry while walking through Atlanta to get there because there is no place to leave it before you go in. Feels like being absolutely naked but there is no choice.

Deanimator
June 1, 2012, 05:52 AM
Sounds to me like you'll be staying in a nice eighborhood
Tinley Park isn't exactly Cabrini-Green. It didn't stop a guy from shooting six women in the head, killing five (He's never been caught that I know of). You think anywhere in Chicago (besides Rahm Emmanuel's living room) is safer than Tinley Park?

"Nice neighborhood" in Chicago is a term of art when all it takes is ONE person to make your part of it as dangerous as Normandy on 06/06/44. especially when you have NO means of defending yourself and not the slightest chance of being "protected" by the Chicago PD.

Regarding Chicago:

Don't go.
If you HAVE to go, don't bring a gun.

Lawdawg45
June 1, 2012, 06:51 AM
Do what I do. Visit via National Geographic ONLY. Same goes for anywhere my Kentucky CCW is not honored, since I have no use for even beautiful and interesting places ruled by those who do not trust me as does my home state. Don

Amen! I can legally carry in Illinois, but I refuse to visit or support the State under any circumstances. Maybe the bigger question for the OP is "Is the acquisition of this vehicle worth potentially losing your life?";)

LD

aeriedad
June 1, 2012, 08:03 AM
I think this is the correct attitude, IMHO. FOPA doesn't protect you if IL is your destination and you don't have an IL FOID. I wouldn't even try landing in Chicago and driving with cased guns to my final non-IL, legal-to-have-a-firearm-there state (even though that's FOPA-covered) unless I had a passel of lawyers in my carry-on.

The second link by C0untZer0 above is an IL Supreme Court decision establishing that an out of state carry permit is equivalent to an IL FOID: http://www.state.il.us/court/opinion...ril/109130.pdf.

I'm not sure that would give me confidence to fly into O'Hare with a handgun in checked luggage, but I suspect it's legal. Still, if coolluke really must take this trip as described, it at least seems worthwhile to consult an IL attorney before deciding to travel unarmed.

If it were me, I would consider the previous suggestion of a one-way rental car. I would, however, drive to my friend's house in IL with the gun properly stowed (unloaded, cased, separate from ammunition). Concealed carry is still illegal, but at least you can be armed while at your friend's house and for most of your drive back to MN.

Pilot
June 1, 2012, 08:08 AM
If I have to go to "non-free" states like IL, CA, NY, NJ, MD, MA, CT, etc I always leave my gun at home. It is not worth the potential hassle.

You have to be careful with mace/pepper spray also as some jurisdictions don't even allow that.

jrdolall
June 1, 2012, 10:38 AM
I travel. I travel a lot! Next week I am flying to Ohio and driving to Michigan and then to Illinois. I don't even worry about carrying on these trips. It is difficult enough just keeping up with the laws in my home state and the surrounding states and I don't want to deal with the hassle.

Unlike a lot of people I do not feel naked without a gun. I have been in Chicago 40-50 times in my life and never had an issue that required a gun. I don't particularly like the city but it is no more dangerous than any other "big" city. I do not walk the streets at night or stay at Red Roof Inn for $39 but I do go to restaurants and other area attractions with no problems.

The last two times I have flown in to Midway, I despise Ohare, I have been approached by a woman and a man at the spot where Cicero passes under I-55. Both times the lady has asked for help through my rolled up window. When I won't roll it down she explains that they mean no harm but their car is broken down. I think I would avoid driving in that area if my car kept breaking down:) This is a major panhandling intersection where you can get your windshield washed 3-4 times in 50 yards.

ny32182
June 1, 2012, 10:59 AM
As someone who has both checked a handgun and flown into O'hare many times:

1)Checking a handgun is easy
2)You cannot possess a handgun in IL, period.

I don't know what the exact penalty is in IL, but in NY it is 18 months in the pen... just ask Plaxico Burress.

My advice would be follow the laws or don't go.

Loosedhorse
June 1, 2012, 11:00 AM
The second link by C0untZer0 above is an IL Supreme Court decision establishing that an out of state carry permit is equivalent to an IL FOIDThanks. I would conclude therefore that it would be legal, with such a license, to transport a cased/unloaded/inaccessible or disassembled firearm in IL unless that particular firearm was specifically not allowed by state law or local ordnance (Cook Co., for example, still has an "assault weapon" ban, though it is being challenged).

IANAL

GEM
June 1, 2012, 11:14 AM
I have survived trips to Chicago and NYC. Being sensible and not going to bad places late at night works wonders.

Take a good Surefire flashlight, wonderful for surprise and avoidance.

As far as not going to a state because of politics - well, that disqualifies so many places, you will just stay in your mountain cabin.

Warp
June 1, 2012, 11:48 AM
As someone who has both checked a handgun and flown into O'hare many times:

1)Checking a handgun is easy
2)You cannot possess a handgun in IL, period.

I don't know what the exact penalty is in IL, but in NY it is 18 months in the pen... just ask Plaxico Burress.

My advice would be follow the laws or don't go.

Sure you can.

If you don't mind, would you please cite and link the statute that prohibits possession of a handgun in Illinois? (not carry, just possession)

Plaxico wasn't merely possessing a handgun, he was carrying it...loaded on his person.

atomd
June 1, 2012, 12:01 PM
Isn't it sad when we have to have this thread just to find a way to protect ourselves while traveling in our own country? Not only that but even after much debate, advise, reading of laws, etc we still risk being arrested by police that don't even know the laws of their own state/country. And even then, if we spend thousands on lawyers and the case is dismissed, we probably wouldn't even get our gun back in the end.

Didn't want to twist the topic but all the recent news stories of these travelers being jailed and hassled got me thinking. Pretty depressing.

ny32182
June 1, 2012, 01:05 PM
http://www.handgunlaw.us/

Click on IL on the map, and it will pop up a nice summary of the laws that is a lot more informative than any out-of-context blob of legaleze.

Onward Allusion
June 1, 2012, 01:15 PM
PabloJ
I would pack can of mace into luggage destined for cargo compartment. I know many European-Americans are very paranoid but chances that something bad will happen to you in Chicago is very low. Unfortunately those chances improve when you strap on a handgun.

Run the numbers. The chances of anyone being involved in any type of violent altercation in Chicago is much higher than the rest of the country. It has one of the highest murder rates in the country. Number 49 in the US per capita of 10,000. You have almost a 1 in 10,000 chance of being murdered in Chicago. Really, no kidding.

Warp
June 1, 2012, 01:20 PM
You have almost a 1 in 10,000 chance of being murdered in Chicago. Really, no kidding.

...is that if you spend one year there?

And, of course, the actual chance of any given individual will vary. Not being a young, black, criminal probably changes that statistic significantly. Numbers don't lie, but people using those numbers usually don't represent them quite correctly.

Sam1911
June 1, 2012, 01:39 PM
Warp raises a good point. Statistics tend to level the playing field quite unnaturally.

A 1:10,000 chance would be based on murders per the number of folks present. But reality might be that a financially stable, established family man (or woman), living in a relatively upper-class part of town, and of lawful and cautious habits, and with good situational awareness may face a 1:1,000,000 chance of being murdered. On the other hand, a young male living in the inner city, who uses and deals in street drugs, spends a lot of time out and about in rough areas late at night, and associates with other equally or more intensely criminal actors, may face a 1:10 chance of suffering homicide. Both contribute to the broader statistic, and both skew it out of relevancy for you as a visitor.

You, as a visitor fall somewhere in between. On the one hand, your exposure time is very low. On the other, you're on unfamiliar ground. But, you're probably likely to be at a rather high level of alertness because of that unfamiliarity. But you don't know the local actors/culture, and you may end up lost and wandering as a visibly vulnerable target for unpleasantness.

So much is up to the choices you make and how street smart you are that predictions of true risk are extremely hard to make.

Onward Allusion
June 1, 2012, 01:48 PM
^^^^
Very true. Stats need interpretation. Use your brain and avoid the 3 S's. Personally, I really try to avoid Chicago like the plague.

Paul7
June 1, 2012, 03:37 PM
Anybody know if it's legal to carry a loaded gun in your car console? When I moved from there in '07 that would have been a felony.

Note, last weekend 50 people were shot in Chicago.

Warp
June 1, 2012, 03:41 PM
Anybody know if it's legal to carry a loaded gun in your car console? When I moved from there in '07 that would have been a felony.

Note, last weekend 50 people were shot in Chicago.

Don't even consider it unless you want to risk being arrested/charged with, and possibly convicted of, a felony.

denton
June 1, 2012, 04:02 PM
You can legally ship a firearm to yourself. So you can ship it to yourself, for personal pick-up at a Fed-Ex main office before you enter Illinois and pick it up on the other side.

What can you expect from a state whose name is made up of the two English words "ill" and "annoy"?

Checking a firearm is easy, but don't put one in a suitcase headed for Illinois, New York, or New Jersey.

If you ever do check a firearm, put it in its storage case and chain the case to the inside of your suitcase. Makes it a lot harder to steal.

Warp
June 1, 2012, 04:04 PM
Checking a firearm is easy, but don't put one in a suitcase headed for Illinois, New York, or New Jersey.


Why not?

coolluke01
June 1, 2012, 05:35 PM
UPDATE
The vehicle in Chicago fell through. We will now be heading for Ohio the following weekend. We will fly into Hopkins and drive to Chicago to stay with friends and drive the last 9 hours the next day. Does this change anything? Is it any better to fly into Ohio?
I know that we would still have to drive through Chicago. A handgun can be possessed in Chicago, it just has to be unloaded and stored separate from the gun, right?

aeriedad
June 1, 2012, 08:50 PM
A handgun can be possessed in Chicago, it just has to be unloaded and stored separate from the gun, right?

That's what I would have thought until I checked www.handgunlaw.us today. Apparently the ammo can be stored with the gun, but it must be unloaded, cased and inaccessible--provided you have an IL FOID or out of state carry permit. Technically, you can count the center console as a case with regard to the Unlawful Use of Weapons statutes, but the wildlife commission can still cite you with a Class B misdemeanor and confiscate any firearms not stored in a proper firearm case. Oh, and be sure you have your MN carry permit, or you would still be in danger of accidentally becoming a violent felon. :rolleyes:

I may be traveling to IL once or twice this year. When I do, I will have ready access to printed copies of applicable statutes and case law, just in case I'm stopped for any reason. The one thing I'm still not to sure about is whether I want to fly to Chicago with firearms in checked bags, so I will consult an IL attorney if I don't decide to drive instead.

HGUNHNTR
June 1, 2012, 08:59 PM
Do what I do. Visit via National Geographic ONLY. Same goes for anywhere my Kentucky CCW is not honored, since I have no use for even beautiful and interesting places ruled by those who do not trust me as does my home state. Don

:eek:

I can't imagine letting my enjoyment of the world be limited by politics. You've lost already.

HGUNHNTR
June 1, 2012, 09:01 PM
UPDATE
The vehicle in Chicago fell through. We will now be heading for Ohio the following weekend. We will fly into Hopkins and drive to Chicago to stay with friends and drive the last 9 hours the next day. Does this change anything? Is it any better to fly into Ohio?
I know that we would still have to drive through Chicago. A handgun can be possessed in Chicago, it just has to be unloaded and stored separate from the gun, right?
__________________
IMHO If you can't confidently take a headshot at 10 yards you either need more practice or a different gun.

Seriously dude I'd leave it at home. Take it froma guy that has been wrongfully arrested and incarcerated. I'd just as soon take my chances with a criminal than the gun laws in IL. Odds are on your side.

BadaBing11
June 1, 2012, 10:01 PM
Correction. You can possess a handgun in IL. You can't legally own a handgun in the city of Chicago. I am not sure what the rules are if you are not a resident .

When I go to a range, I need my IL FOID card. My brother in law from Michigan can shoot at any IL range without a FOID card.... because he is not from IL.

One thing for sure, whatever it is won't make sense. BTW. I used to live in Tinley Park. Nice place.

jon_in_wv
June 1, 2012, 10:22 PM
When I visit my parents in Minnesota there are two major interstates to take me there. One goes through Chicago and one through Indianapolis. I've been making the drive for 10 years and I can honestly tell you I haven't seen Chicago for 9 of them.

coolluke01
June 1, 2012, 11:18 PM
What do you think they would consider unloaded? Can the mag be loaded and in the same case? Unloaded mag?

Taking the UP rout would be an option. But we did want to stay with friends that night. So I think that's out.

I'm still not sure if flying with a handgun to Ohio would be a good idea or not.

Warp
June 1, 2012, 11:28 PM
What do you think they would consider unloaded? Can the mag be loaded and in the same case? Unloaded mag?

Taking the UP rout would be an option. But we did want to stay with friends that night. So I think that's out.

I'm still not sure if flying with a handgun to Ohio would be a good idea or not.

I wouldn't push it.

The old standard is an unloaded gun locked in a hardsided case in the trunk (or closest thing your vehicle has) with any and all ammunition outside of the locked hardsided case that contains the firearm.

BTW: I have flown in and out of Midway and O'hare with a pistol many times. One time the airline employee asked me if I had anything to prove I could have a gun (not really required to show that, but whatever) so I showed her my Indiana (lived in IN at the time) License To Carry a Handgun and that appeased her.

Deanimator
June 2, 2012, 08:57 AM
I can't imagine letting my enjoyment of the world be limited by politics. You've lost already.
I don't "enjoy" being treated like a serf.

There's nothing in Chicago I'd trade a busted popsicle stick for, never mind a basic human right.

Lawdawg45
June 2, 2012, 09:00 AM
I don't "enjoy" being treated like a serf.

There's nothing in Chicago I'd trade a busted popsicle stick for, never mind a basic human right.

Amen, and I have no desire to visit a city where they've asked the National Guard to step in and help their local police department. I've missed absolutely nothing there.;)

LD

Deanimator
June 2, 2012, 09:06 AM
I'm still not sure if flying with a handgun to Ohio would be a good idea or not.
I'm not sure why you'd think it wouldn't be. Have you checked our laws?

We're in an utterly different universe from Illinois.

If you have a RECOGNIZED carry credential, you can carry the whole way through Ohio.

If you don't have an Ohio CHL or equivalent, you can have the cased, unloaded firearm anywhere in the state that's not posted or a statutory CPZ. If you're NOT licensed, all magazines and speedloaders must be EMPTY when in a vehicle. Rifle magazines must ALWAYS be unloaded in a vehicle, CHL or not.

As far as flying goes, just follow the TSA and airline regs. There are NO gun laws in Ohio below state level. That means no worries about merely HAVING a firearm anywhere, unless you're somehow under prohibition (felon, adjudicated mentally unfit, convicted domestic abuser, etc.)

Bringing a firearm into Ohio is the LEAST of your worries on this trip.

You can go to the Ohio Attorney General's website and download the CHL booklet.

Deanimator
June 2, 2012, 09:12 AM
Amen, and I have no desire to visit a city where they've asked the National Guard to step in and help their local police department. I've missed absolutely nothing there.
To be "fair", their police department is in an utter shambles, both because of the ruling junta, and the character deficits of the rank and file. That's the major reason why the G8 was moved elsewhere.

I was truly astonished that there wasn't FAR more mayhem during the NATO summit. Either the FBI is REALLY up on things or the anarchists (and Al Qaeda) are even worse off than the CPD.

coolluke01
June 2, 2012, 10:55 AM
Forgive me for insinuating that Ohio is like IL. lol. I meant no disrespect.

I don't know the specific laws of Ohio but it sounds like it's much more forgiving than IL.

I'm basically asking for those that have flown with handguns and what their experience was like.

mg.mikael
June 2, 2012, 10:55 AM
Geez, can we all ust stop the Chicago bashing already! Yeah, Chicago is an awful city for those who wish to exercise their 2nd Amendment rights, everbody knows that.

If you don't like the city THEN don't visit, and if you've never been there then don't leave comments like "serfs", "I never want to visit", and so on.

I said it once and I'll say it again.....Take it from somebody that's lived in Illinois all their life, currently lives in the Chicagoland, and does business in the city on a daily basis(all without a gun believe it or not)......just take a breath and relax.

Sounds to me like you'll be staying in a nice neighborhood(considering your friends a pilot) and since your just visiting, relax and try to see some of the sites if you can. If you haven't been downtown to Millennium Park definitely head down there see the 'Bean', check out the new addition to the Art Musuem(worth seeing, done by architect Renzo Piano) and take a nice walk to the shore line. Relax and have a great time.

Deanimator
June 2, 2012, 11:07 AM
If you don't like the city THEN don't visit, and if you've never been there then don't leave comments like "serfs", "I never want to visit", and so on.
I was born and raised in Chicago. I lived there for 20+ years.

"Serf" is the PERFECT description of the inhabitants.

The desire to have an unarmed serf class in Illinois is merely one of the more visible manifestations of a fundamental underlying rot in the state, and especially in Chicago.

razorback2003
June 2, 2012, 11:26 AM
When you are in IL just put your gun in the trunk unloaded. Stay in a hotel outside of Chicago city limits, like a nice suburban city. Keep your gun loaded in your hotel room. It is not that big of a deal. When in Ohio, if you have a license you can keep the gun on you loaded and concealed.

oneounceload
June 2, 2012, 11:26 AM
I can't imagine letting my enjoyment of the world be limited by politics. You've lost already.

Exactly, there are more places in this world where you can't carry a weapon and yet folks seem to be able to live and enjoy themselves, tourists can experience new things, etc.

As someone who grew up in NYC, I went everywhere without a weapon and had a safe great time, even when on the bus or subway at 3AM.

Way too many folks think everyone is out to rob and kill them. If you are really that paranoid, buy a mountain top and build a bunker; otherwise enjoy life, experience new places and cultures and stop worrying about being attacked every minute of the day:rolleyes:

Robert
June 2, 2012, 01:25 PM
The original question was answered two pages ago. Done.

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